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Dash cam catches plane crashing into bridge in Taipei (1 Viewer)

:shock: Holy crap. I was expecting some footage from like a quarter-mile away when I heard about this on the radio...not like 30 feet.

 
When I first saw it, I thought, DAMN!!! But watching it a second time, I think if you look at it from the plane's view, they actually didn't go down that hard. Looks like the pilot was trying to land it in the water, although, I'm not sure why the left turn at the end. Not a pilot, so I'm not sure what he was trying to do.

 
When I first saw it, I thought, DAMN!!! But watching it a second time, I think if you look at it from the plane's view, they actually didn't go down that hard. Looks like the pilot was trying to land it in the water, although, I'm not sure why the left turn at the end. Not a pilot, so I'm not sure what he was trying to do.
My guess is that he was stalled, or on the verge of stalling, and he tried to turn...when you turn, it puts one wing into more of a stall than the other, and that would cause one wing to dip. Usually the inside wing on the turn, because it gets less air flow and produces less lift.

That's insane footage. In some ways, I agree, he wasn't going that fast...probably 100+ MPH though...but he was coming down quickly. If that crash wasn't into water, nobody would've survived.

 
Really glad they slowed the video and highlighted the plane in the second clip..,,you could barely notice it in the first one.

 
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Incredible footage.Surprised so many lived given how it went in.
How many survivors? Last I saw the list was mostly dead and missing.
Going off of the orginal post here which said 21 of 58 had died.I hadn't done a search,has this changed?

BBC is reporting

A plane carrying mostly Chinese tourists has crashed into a river in Taiwan, killing at least 23 people.

Dramatic video footage emerged showing the TransAsia Airways plane clipping a bridge as it came down shortly after take-off from a Taipei airport.

The plane, carrying 58 people, has broken up and the fuselage is lying half-submerged in the Keelung River. Rescue efforts are ongoing.

At least 15 people have been pulled out alive, with 20 still missing.
 
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Incredible footage.Surprised so many lived given how it went in.
How many survivors? Last I saw the list was mostly dead and missing.
Going off of the orginal post here which said 21 of 58 had died.I hadn't done a search,has this changed?
I think there were 15 injured, including two on the ground, presumably in the taxi. The rest were missing - and probably not alive if the plane submerged.

 
When I first saw it, I thought, DAMN!!! But watching it a second time, I think if you look at it from the plane's view, they actually didn't go down that hard. Looks like the pilot was trying to land it in the water, although, I'm not sure why the left turn at the end. Not a pilot, so I'm not sure what he was trying to do.
My guess is that he was stalled, or on the verge of stalling, and he tried to turn...when you turn, it puts one wing into more of a stall than the other, and that would cause one wing to dip. Usually the inside wing on the turn, because it gets less air flow and produces less lift.

That's insane footage. In some ways, I agree, he wasn't going that fast...probably 100+ MPH though...but he was coming down quickly. If that crash wasn't into water, nobody would've survived.
Good info Nick- I was wondering the same thing as IS.

 
I live pretty close to a small executive airport and always wonder if I would see something like this. Now I kinda don't want that to happen. (didn't really want it to happen in the first place)

 
Reading the aviation/pilots forums (or listening to someone on the news, take your pick), they suggested both a stall in the left engine, and an issue with the prop not being "feathered" properly - which I understood to mean angled to be more aerodynamic. I think the speaker suggested it was similar to sticking your hand out the window flat v. turned, knifing into to wind.

 
When I first saw it, I thought, DAMN!!! But watching it a second time, I think if you look at it from the plane's view, they actually didn't go down that hard. Looks like the pilot was trying to land it in the water, although, I'm not sure why the left turn at the end. Not a pilot, so I'm not sure what he was trying to do.
My guess is that he was stalled, or on the verge of stalling, and he tried to turn...when you turn, it puts one wing into more of a stall than the other, and that would cause one wing to dip. Usually the inside wing on the turn, because it gets less air flow and produces less lift.

That's insane footage. In some ways, I agree, he wasn't going that fast...probably 100+ MPH though...but he was coming down quickly. If that crash wasn't into water, nobody would've survived.
I figured you'd know better than me. Either way, he's just 100 yards away from pulling off a Sully Sullenburg landing.

 
was there in November.

never did the beach thing by the runway though.

oh- the airport in neighboring St Barths is waaaaaaay worse/scarier as it's ridiculously short AND you have to dive through a mountain (hill) pass only about 20' above the road and then hope your plane can stop in time before it hits the beach. that said- it's also only allowed for small airplanes, so less large-scale/catastrophic

The last time we went (my wife was pregnant) our plane bounced twice most of the way down the runway... I knew there was no way in hell we were going to be able to stop so I started putting myself in front of my wife who was pregnant. pilot guns it, and keeps going, taking off from the third bounce.

 
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was there in November.

never did the beach thing by the runway though.

oh- the airport in neighboring St Barths is waaaaaaay worse/scarier as it's ridiculously short AND you have to dive through a mountain (hill) pass only about 20' above the road and then hope your plane can stop in time before it hits the beach. that said- it's also only allowed for small airplanes, so less large-scale/catastrophic

The last time we went (my wife was pregnant) our plane bounced twice most of the way down the runway... I knew there was no way in hell we were going to be able to stop so I started putting myself in front of my wife who was pregnant. pilot guns it, and keeps going, taking off from the third bounce.
Jesus

 
Reading the aviation/pilots forums (or listening to someone on the news, take your pick), they suggested both a stall in the left engine, and an issue with the prop not being "feathered" properly - which I understood to mean angled to be more aerodynamic. I think the speaker suggested it was similar to sticking your hand out the window flat v. turned, knifing into to wind.
Yeah...Having an engine out could do that too, but flying a twin-engine with one engine out is something that you have to learn to get your twin-certification (I'm NOT twin engine certified, but I understand the basics). I haven't actually read the story...was this guy taking off or landing? It's just odd to me that if it was an engine out, he couldn't maintain altitude. Usually you can...again, not an expert here with this plane, capacities, etc., but I feel like at a minimum, he should've just been able to level off and hold altitude.

Re. feathering of the props - The props on most higher-end planes can be pitched. The analogy of knifing yoru hand is perfect. You turn it to take a bigger bite out of the air on take-off and landing, and feather them a little flatter when you are at cruising speed to get better speed and economy. Again, I personally don't think that an unfeathered prop would cause a plane to drop like a rock. It still generates some forward speed and thus lift. Again, it could be different on this plane. I know I've landed having forgot to change the blade pitch before and I didn't even notice till I landed. Taking off might be different.

These things could've contributed to a stall I guess. Ultimately, that plane is falling like it's stalled...and I think the bank at the end is the result of a turn in a stall or near stall causing less lift on the one wing.

 
was there in November.

never did the beach thing by the runway though.

oh- the airport in neighboring St Barths is waaaaaaay worse/scarier as it's ridiculously short AND you have to dive through a mountain (hill) pass only about 20' above the road and then hope your plane can stop in time before it hits the beach. that said- it's also only allowed for small airplanes, so less large-scale/catastrophic

The last time we went (my wife was pregnant) our plane bounced twice most of the way down the runway... I knew there was no way in hell we were going to be able to stop so I started putting myself in front of my wife who was pregnant. pilot guns it, and keeps going, taking off from the third bounce.
Jesus
Good lord floppo!!!

 
You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is "never get in an airplane in Asia!"

 
two more :eek:

duck!

beach

If we hit the beach, I figured we'd survive, but definitely get banged up... with the wife pregnant I was in the process of leaning over in front of her to keep her from banging the seat in front.

Funny... on the way down, the pilot had his elbow out the window (again- small plane, like a minivan) and was very casual. these guys have to get special training to land there, and are doing the trip multiple times daily. on the way down, us and the other handful of passengers were all excitedly chit-chatting about how crazy it all was.

after he guns it off the runway, we're all tight-lipped and whiteknuckled as he circles back up and around and manages to land on the second pass. His hands were 10-2 the entire rest of the of trip, window closed.

 
My bucket lit is getting shorter:

1) Go to St. Barths.

2) Throw a Ritz cracker 100 yards.

3) Learn to juggle.

 
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was there in November.

never did the beach thing by the runway though.

oh- the airport in neighboring St Barths is waaaaaaay worse/scarier as it's ridiculously short AND you have to dive through a mountain (hill) pass only about 20' above the road and then hope your plane can stop in time before it hits the beach. that said- it's also only allowed for small airplanes, so less large-scale/catastrophic

The last time we went (my wife was pregnant) our plane bounced twice most of the way down the runway... I knew there was no way in hell we were going to be able to stop so I started putting myself in front of my wife who was pregnant. pilot guns it, and keeps going, taking off from the third bounce.
Jesus take the wheel
 
I wasn't even in the DC area at the time, and too young to remember it anyway, but I still frequently think about the Air Florida crash when driving across the 14th Street bridge to/from work and having planes flying (thankfully) over me.

 
So, back in December 1997, I visited Panama with my roommate in college who is from there. During our 3 week trip, we took a trip to San Blas to spend a few days around Christmas. For those that don't know (probably most), San Blas is a tiny archipelago of islands that is mostly uninhabited, relatively primitive (only one island has electricity), and as you can imagine pretty "fun" to travel to.

Here's what the inside of the plane we flew looked like

Here's the airport and runway

The trip was simply awesome, sleeping on hammocks at night on the beach with nothing around you, just fantastic.

Of course, 1 week after we flew there, the same plane we flew crashed in the jungle and all 10 people aboard died.

 
two more :eek:

duck!

beach

If we hit the beach, I figured we'd survive, but definitely get banged up... with the wife pregnant I was in the process of leaning over in front of her to keep her from banging the seat in front.

Funny... on the way down, the pilot had his elbow out the window (again- small plane, like a minivan) and was very casual. these guys have to get special training to land there, and are doing the trip multiple times daily. on the way down, us and the other handful of passengers were all excitedly chit-chatting about how crazy it all was.

after he guns it off the runway, we're all tight-lipped and whiteknuckled as he circles back up and around and manages to land on the second pass. His hands were 10-2 the entire rest of the of trip, window closed.
Jesus...that 1st pic is nuts. When I used to fly a lot, I saw one of those "Most Dangerous Airports" TV shows and saw the plane crash that is your 2nd picture here. That airport looked nuts. It's VERY hard to make an approach where your angle of descent has to be steep becuase the natural impact of that is that you gain speed, making stopping more difficult...then here you've got a short runway and a beach. I imagine a "good" landing here is just one where you walk away.

I've bounced a plane on a bad landing in a strong crosswind. It's terrifying. The nature of bouncing is that you bounce up, are going to slow to generate lift and tend to do it again and again...the only real safe thing to do is just power back up and go around.

 
I wasn't even in the DC area at the time, and too young to remember it anyway, but I still frequently think about the Air Florida crash when driving across the 14th Street bridge to/from work and having planes flying (thankfully) over me.
[Lenny] Skutnik is a retired printing and distribution assistant for the Congressional Budget Office, generally known for his act of heroism following the crash of Air Florida Flight 90 on January 13, 1982 in the Potomac River, Washington, DC. At the time, Skutnik was a US government office assistant. During the rescue operation of passengers from the crashed plane, one passenger, Priscilla Tirado, was too weak to grab the line dropped from a helicopter. Hundreds of people were watching, including emergency services personnel. Skutnik saw the situation, stripped off his coat and boots and, in short sleeves, dived into the icy water, swimming nearly 30 feet out to assist her. He succeeded in getting Tirado to the river shore, where she was subsequently taken to the hospital, saving her life.
 
Holy ####.

I will say that runways like that aren't that uncommon...even in the US. I've landed on some HORRIBLE small airport runways. Admittedly not in a plane like that, but still. There was one airport...I forget the name now, but it was in the Chesapeake on some island, that had a short runway with a notorious dip about 2/3 of the way down. If you didn't burn your speed off enough before landing, that little dip was known to throw people back up in the air. Not fun.

 
So, back in December 1997, I visited Panama with my roommate in college who is from there. During our 3 week trip, we took a trip to San Blas to spend a few days around Christmas. For those that don't know (probably most), San Blas is a tiny archipelago of islands that is mostly uninhabited, relatively primitive (only one island has electricity), and as you can imagine pretty "fun" to travel to.

Here's what the inside of the plane we flew looked like

Here's the airport and runway

The trip was simply awesome, sleeping on hammocks at night on the beach with nothing around you, just fantastic.

Of course, 1 week after we flew there, the same plane we flew crashed in the jungle and all 10 people aboard died.
holy crap.

short runway of course, but the same plane crashing? :shudder:

 
So, back in December 1997, I visited Panama with my roommate in college who is from there. During our 3 week trip, we took a trip to San Blas to spend a few days around Christmas. For those that don't know (probably most), San Blas is a tiny archipelago of islands that is mostly uninhabited, relatively primitive (only one island has electricity), and as you can imagine pretty "fun" to travel to.

Here's what the inside of the plane we flew looked like

Here's the airport and runway

The trip was simply awesome, sleeping on hammocks at night on the beach with nothing around you, just fantastic.

Of course, 1 week after we flew there, the same plane we flew crashed in the jungle and all 10 people aboard died.
Damn. I took the AA flight that crashed in the Rockaways in 2001 a week prior and the return route four days after. It wasn't a mechanical malfunction but I didn't know that at the time.

 
So, back in December 1997, I visited Panama with my roommate in college who is from there. During our 3 week trip, we took a trip to San Blas to spend a few days around Christmas. For those that don't know (probably most), San Blas is a tiny archipelago of islands that is mostly uninhabited, relatively primitive (only one island has electricity), and as you can imagine pretty "fun" to travel to.

Here's what the inside of the plane we flew looked like

Here's the airport and runway

The trip was simply awesome, sleeping on hammocks at night on the beach with nothing around you, just fantastic.

Of course, 1 week after we flew there, the same plane we flew crashed in the jungle and all 10 people aboard died.
holy crap.

short runway of course, but the same plane crashing? :shudder:
Yeah, there was only 1 plane that made that trip at the time so it was definitely the same plane. It didn't crash on that runway, it actually crashed over the jungle on the flight from Panama City to San Blas.

Seriously, that plane had to be like 40 years old. Sitting inside it we kept joking how the thing was probably held together by duct tape in certain spots. I don't get nervous very easily but, despite laughing and joking on the flight over (about 1 hour), I was very relieved to finally land.

 
So unlucky for that taxi
Yeah, the people on the plane were the lucky ones here...

:doh:
Nobody was lucky. But to get all Dentisty the people on the plane were in trouble and, when the plane started to crash, had a high rate of death. That taxi, despite all the room on the road, just happened to be traveling the exact same speed and place to get gouged by the wing.

 
Holy crap. It actually hit that cab on the way by, but didn't crush it. Talk about lucky.
Wait, the taxi driver didn't die??? The way it got it and the pictures afterwords looked like he for sure died.

 
Holy crap. It actually hit that cab on the way by, but didn't crush it. Talk about lucky.
Wait, the taxi driver didn't die??? The way it got it and the pictures afterwords looked like he for sure died.
I don't think anyone in the taxi died. Heard passengers were injured. Honestly, that cab roof was probably as strong as the plane wing at the tip. Plane wings are quite fragile for loads in directions other than up/down. They'll just rip apart forward/back if they hit something solid.

 
That video is pretty much what I see in recurring dreams (nightmares?). See the plane, know its going down, but don't actually see the impact. Low-flying planes, helicopters, blimps, etc give me tremendous anxiety. Heck, watching that video game me anxiety. It amazes me that I ever get on a plane.

 
Holy crap. It actually hit that cab on the way by, but didn't crush it. Talk about lucky.
Wait, the taxi driver didn't die??? The way it got it and the pictures afterwords looked like he for sure died.
I don't think anyone in the taxi died. Heard passengers were injured. Honestly, that cab roof was probably as strong as the plane wing at the tip. Plane wings are quite fragile for loads in directions other than up/down. They'll just rip apart forward/back if they hit something solid.
Wow. Then I take back my initial statement. I thought for sure the people in the taxi died.

 
Holy crap. It actually hit that cab on the way by, but didn't crush it. Talk about lucky.
Wait, the taxi driver didn't die??? The way it got it and the pictures afterwords looked like he for sure died.
I don't think anyone in the taxi died. Heard passengers were injured. Honestly, that cab roof was probably as strong as the plane wing at the tip. Plane wings are quite fragile for loads in directions other than up/down. They'll just rip apart forward/back if they hit something solid.
Wow. Then I take back my initial statement. I thought for sure the people in the taxi died.
I just find it amazing that the plane actually hit that taxi in that relatively open highway...

 
Holy crap. It actually hit that cab on the way by, but didn't crush it. Talk about lucky.
Wait, the taxi driver didn't die??? The way it got it and the pictures afterwords looked like he for sure died.
I don't think anyone in the taxi died. Heard passengers were injured. Honestly, that cab roof was probably as strong as the plane wing at the tip. Plane wings are quite fragile for loads in directions other than up/down. They'll just rip apart forward/back if they hit something solid.
Wow. Then I take back my initial statement. I thought for sure the people in the taxi died.
I just find it amazing that the plane actually hit that taxi in that relatively open highway...
That was my initially point. That's why I thought it so unlucky.

 
OT, but videos like this have to cause a spike in dash cam sales, right? Anyone know of any good models?

 
That video is pretty much what I see in recurring dreams (nightmares?). See the plane, know its going down, but don't actually see the impact. Low-flying planes, helicopters, blimps, etc give me tremendous anxiety. Heck, watching that video game me anxiety. It amazes me that I ever get on a plane.
I have had that same dream ... several of times. I'm watching a plane go down vs. being in it.

I fly, but take a Xanax helps me tremendously.

 

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