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If he stays healthy he will be ff dream come true. I will try to get him in the 4th if he is still available
Pffftttt gimme a break. Last year Conway had 850 yards in 12 games. Boston has more talent in his big toe and if he stays healthy all year he will smash those numbers.900/6 is a lot more likely.
Then by all means, draft him early.More talent in his big toe? Conway has a first round pedigree, multiple career 1000-yard seasons (only held back from a lot more because of injuries), 500+ career receptions (only held back... " " ).There's no real talent disparity. What there IS, is this: Conway was in year 3 as a charger.The only significant disparities between the two are that Boston is BIG, which sets off the showroom reflex in people who don't know any better (he MUST BE good, look at 'im!), and that Conway was in a much better position to excel.Boston's chances of "smashing" those numbers are virtually zero. His chances of equalling them, on a per-game basis, IF he stays healthy and keeps his nose clean, are slim. Chances that he falls woefully short for one of the loads of very realistic reasons to doubt him? Excellent.Pffft all you want. DB won't finish the year as a top 20 Wr.Pffftttt gimme a break. Last year Conway had 850 yards in 12 games. Boston has more talent in his big toe and if he stays healthy all year he will smash those numbers.900/6 is a lot more likely.
I'm with Mordred that there isn't that big of a gap in talent, but there is some, Boston IS more talented. Conway could be a tremendous WR if healthy. However, there are still a few things going in Boston's favor. He's younger. Overall he's healthier. His size IS a benefit. He has a higher vert, even though he's heavier so will be in position to get more balls.Plus, your note about the 3rd year in offense is irrelevant. Last year was Schotzy's second, and he did change the offense. So it was only Conway's 2nd year in that offense. Additionally it was Brees first year as a starter, so in essence, it was a brand new ball game for Conway.More talent in his big toe? Conway has a first round pedigree, multiple career 1000-yard seasons (only held back from a lot more because of injuries), 500+ career receptions (only held back... " " ).
There's no real talent disparity. What there IS, is this: Conway was in year 3 as a charger.
Are you kidding me? There are three things a reciever needs to succeed in the NFL:1) Hands : He's proven he's got em....he was a Pro-Bowl caliber guy before all this madness....he can catch the ball and knows the game.2) Speed : 4.3/40....enough said....that's stallworth/vick fast....I don't know of a corner in the NFL that runs at that speed....3) Opportunity : LT2. A team who's made a committment to him. Brees isn't a stud but can get him the ball and has the arm to air it out to hit him on long plays where he can get separation. He's got all the opportunity in the world....the stars are aligned for this guy this season.The ONLY thing that stops boston from at least coming CLOSE to cracking the top 3 of elite receivers this year, IMHO, is injury. That is a risk you gotta look into when you take this guy.... Will his leg explode at some point this year? I'd say 35-40% chance....it's high....but if it doesn't you've got a machine on your roster PROJECTIONS:HEALTHY : 1275 / 8 He will break a lot of long plays but LT2 still gets too many red-zone looks for Boston to break into the Upper crust in TDs. This COULD change due to his good vertical leap, but his true value lies in getting separation and matchups versus smaller CB's and Safeties as opposed to tight situations where he'll be closer to the larger LBs. INJURED/REALISTIC: 8 Games / 770 / 5 TDsThis is where I see him playing this season if he gets injures which I guesstimate at 35%-40% chance this year.....this is purely speculation, however, as I'm no doc... Just because he is fast and strong doesn't mean he will put up unbelievable numbers and the injury risk factor seems pretty high.....
I read that article too, it was on this website. It really lays out the efforts Boston is undertaking to gain muscle mass, and maintain speed. Everyone who is thinking the guys is meathead, and just popping pills and lifting weights needs to check out the article. He has someone monitoring his blood and fluid levels around the clock...the guy is a freaking terminator. After I read that article, it moved Boston up in my charts. Why would you say he is an injury risk? He is probably much less likely to be injured given his physique and overall wellness. Bottom line is this...right now, now corner in the nfl can man up with Boston, his size is just too overwhelming. Throw in the amazing speed, and jumping ability, and you have got one outstanding wide receiver. His downfall in the fantasy world, is Drew Brees and the offensive system. If they find ways to get him the ball, Boston should be competing for a top 3 spot.I read another article stating he spends like $200k annually on his bodybuilding, his goal is to be explosive, not to have endurance.
Iso, I'm a HUGE Boston fan, but even I realize that his bone structure and ligament/tendon makeup are not meant for this type of size, he's a meso, not an ecto, he's not meant to be that big. It's likely why he has the tendenitis problem, and the patellar damage. It's not unlikely for him to get injured, not from getting hit, but simply from working out. Still I say injury is only at a 25-30% risk factor for him.Why would you say he is an injury risk? He is probably much less likely to be injured given his physique and overall wellness.
Last year was Schottenheimer's 1st year in San Diego.Plus, your note about the 3rd year in offense is irrelevant. Last year was Schotzy's second, and he did change the offense. So it was only Conway's 2nd year in that offense.
DOH! Ya know I looked at the site to verify and it said 2002 and I still typed two years...Last year was Schottenheimer's 1st year in San Diego.
Well then you and Boston have something in common. You're both on drugs.Pffft all you want. DB won't finish the year as a top 20 Wr.
To me it looks like Boston is way off balance and trying to recover and the DB is in perfect balance and turning ahead of Boston.
Because he has had suspect injuries over the last couple of years. Just because a guy is ripped outta his mind with 5% body fat does not mean this is a good thing. I still contend that his body structure is not made to handle that load. Any Physical Therapist, Sports Healthcare expert,... will tell you the body is one kinetic chain. If anything happens at one point on that chain it will affect other parts of the chain, thus creating chronic injuries secondary to the primary causative factor. Look at his ankles!!!! I truly think something could happen to him this year. Will it? Only time will tell. But long range- I see a short and injury filled career, especially if he bulks up more.Why would you say he is an injury risk? He is probably much less likely to be injured given his physique and overall wellness.
True but the difference between slobby out of shape, potato chip eating players who hit an exercise routine with healthy eating habits and a player who is already at that level then takes it to even higher levels. Not to mention the maturing of their bodies when they are younger. Boston was already pretty much at maturation. When people workout there is documented proof that plateauing occurs. Thats the body's way of adjusting to extra wieght, different energy demands, different energy sources, metabolizism changes... To blow past these plateau's with an already matured body. Something has to give. I think Switz has a good handle on it. DIFENETLY is an injury risk. What % i really don't know but i personally wouldnt waste a draft pick any higher then 5 or 6. He could be the BOMB this year but i fully expect him to be blowing out more then up.I wanna say the typical lineman adds 50-75 lbs in one offseason. Sure this is different, but I don't see it as being unheard of.
This article definetly is a must read. I have had David Boston every year he has been in the league I am sold on him and after reading what he is doing to strengthen his joints along with his muscle he just got bumped up to #4 or #5 on my WR depth chart. The key for me is he may just explode now that he is not the sole focus of the defense.David Boston the $200,000 manA must read on David Boston. Unlike the ESPN story, this one really details out his program. Dude spends $200k a year on nutrition and training.
I'm reposting in reply what I posted in the other threadI have had David Boston every year he has been in the league I am sold on him and after reading what he is doing to strengthen his joints along with his muscle he just got bumped up to #4 or #5 on my WR depth chart. The key for me is he may just explode now that he is not the sole focus of the defense.
That's about all I need to hear to be worried about boston this year, or ever, regaining his form from a few years ago. If he needs to take off alot of plays, he's no use.Now, Boston is trying to educate the Chargers about how they can get the most out of him on the field. Unlike last year's leading receiver, Curtis Conway, he doesn't believe it's in his best interest or the team's best interest for him to be on the field every play.
"They need to know the type of receiver that I've always been," Boston said. "If you're going to try to develop me into a Conway type of guy, I'm not an every-down guy. If I make like a nice catch on a dig, I'm going to need to come out of the game because I'm physically heavy. I have a lot of tissue, a lot of blood. I'm not in that type of shape. I'm in shape, but I'm not in that type of shape. I train for explosion, to be at my highest level for four or five plays, then come out for a couple.
"I'm a guy that really made my name by catching slants and making yards after the catch. I'm not really an 'out' runner; I'm really a guy that catches hitches. Guys back up off me because they're scared to death of my size. So if they just throw me (quick) routes and hitches and slants, and I make yards after the catch, that's where I can be successful.
yeah he is clean, he flushes out his ###.... regularly...One thing to pay attention to: "The receiver keeps testing clean (seven times last season). "If you spend every single waking hour completely dedicated to doing something to your body, I think it's very possible. I believe that he's clean but I believe the guy is really messed in the head.
I heard a radio interview with Boston a few weeks ago. He said he was about 250 at the time, but could be 240 or 260 in no time if he wanted to.He's listed at 6-2, 245. You know the really scary thing? That's exactly Donovan McNabb's size as well! You don't normally think of McNabb as being huge, but he's also a tremendous specimen with pretty low bodyfat.Actually now that I think of it, what's really scary is that at 265, Boston is bigger than Shockey, Heap, Crumpler, Franks, Alexander, Pollard, and Gonzo.
I know......McNabb is a monster. It's funny, though, it looks like most of Boston's weight is in his arms and most of McNabb's weight is in his booty. :rotflmao:He's listed at 6-2, 245. You know the really scary thing? That's exactly Donovan McNabb's size as well! You don't normally think of McNabb as being huge, but he's also a tremendous specimen with pretty low bodyfat.
It's from his lifetime supply of Chunky soup!!I know......McNabb is a monster. It's funny, though, it looks like most of Boston's weight is in his arms and most of McNabb's weight is in his booty. :rotflmao:He's listed at 6-2, 245. You know the really scary thing? That's exactly Donovan McNabb's size as well! You don't normally think of McNabb as being huge, but he's also a tremendous specimen with pretty low bodyfat.
oh really, hmm(I was pitcher/OF, he was catcher) and we always hung out together,
So basically I think it comes down to the facts that have been stated here ad nauseum:1. Boston has an injury history -- not necessarily related to his size, but he gets dinged up a lot.2. Martyball/Brees -- is he going to get the opportunities, or will he mostly function as a decoy to make space for LT, and can Brees get him the ball when he needs to?3. His attitude -- I don't like the idea that he doesn't think he should be in there for every down, but it actually makes a lot of sense, and it does sound like he has the team's best interests at heart; ie, he doesn't want plays off because he's lazy, or because he's a primadonna like Randy Moss, but rather because he thinks that's the way he can be most effective.Overall, reading these articles has I think improved Boston's value in my eyes -- he is a competitor, if a bit of a headcase, but he wants to win games. The question marks are the same as always -- injuries and opportunity. I don't see any reason to downgrade him based on his workout regimen or his "sprinter's ankles". Dude is a football player not a ballerina. I see Boston as a WR in the 7-10 range, behind consistent, non-insane players like Ward and talented but less injury prone guys such as Burress or KRob. I am scared of taking him in my keeper league draft this year but if he's there and represents the best value, I will pull the trigger.So the monster wide out. ##### man, he is scary. If you want some of my input; here it is. I think that he probably has dabbled in some things that he shouldn't have. It sounds like they are using amazing technology to measure metabolites and ##### in his blood. I think that this will allow him to grow to unbelivable size, however, that type of technology also allows them to "iron out" their cheating. That being said, I don't think he is simply a "roid monkey".I would pick him if 1) you have another man that you are extremely confident in so that if this guy folds you are not dead in the water 2) he actually has talent and not only relies on his size 2) his team has a QB that can get him the ballAbout his body holding up I think there is a good chance he will be ok. Afterall, he is running into safeties and cornerbacks who are probably 60% his size. If he was a back and was being smoked by linebackers who had comparable size and he is totally juiced passed what his body can handle, he may not last. So yeah, I think he will remain fairly healthy. I guess another risk is that if he gets too big in his head and decides not to play intelligently (ie not taking approaching players seriously and keeping head down and ##### like that: see Eric Lindros and his ten concussions) he may get hurt.In conclusion, I would probably go with him. I think there are more risky players out there to go for (ie older receivers, qb's, runningbacks). However, I don't know anything about his talent. So if you think he is a good choice I wouldn't disagree based on his body.
Ok, stop the madness. Does anyone here really have a clue of what they are saying or are you guys just posting random musings that pop in your head.First some basics. Ligaments are not even connected to muscle. They are strictly bone to bone attachments and they are there for support and structure. The ACL, MCL, PCL are ligaments. They have absolutely nothing to do with anything muscle. The only remotely close thing is... if you build up muscle around the area you can somewhat limit injury to a ligament by limiting the stress on that ligament and allowing muscle to shoulder some of that stress.Tendons are Muscle to Bone attachments. This is the sort of thing that I "think" you guys are worried about. It sounds like this myth... the stonger someone is, the more pressure is placed on their tendons, the easier they will snap. I'm here to tell you, it doesn't happen. There are two tendon injuries that are at the very least, somewhat common. The Achille's tendon and the Patella tendon. The achilles tendon is the stringy thing at your heel that connects the muscles of the calf to the bone in you heal. Achille's injuries are usually the result of extensive downward pressure on you, while you are pushing upwards against it. Most of the time it's a pretty freak injury. I don't care how strong your calf is, it's not going to put enough pressure on your achilles to snap it. The tensile strength of tendons, especially in younger people is enormous. Which is why weightlifters can lift 500 lbs and not have tendons snap on them. The patella tendon is a knee tendon. Again, this injury really has very very little to do with anything the muscles around the knee cap are doing to pull on it. Most Patella tendon problems are the result of knee ligament injuries or due to jumping.You just do NOT see the flexor tendons of the arms/hands getting snapped by massive biceps and forearm muscles. It just doesn't happen. Trust me on this one... the MUSCLE is going to tear before the tendon does. And larger muscle mass is usually BETTER for preventing muscle tears then smaller muscle mass.STOP THE INSANITY!FThe ligaments and tendons CAN NOT be strengthened... and therein lies the problem is his incredible muscle mass. Eventually that mass will cause the connective tissue in one of his joints to tear.
Ok, stop the madness. Does anyone here really have a clue of what they are saying or are you guys just posting random musings that pop in your head.First some basics. Ligaments are not even connected to muscle. They are strictly bone to bone attachments and they are there for support and structure. The ACL, MCL, PCL are ligaments. They have absolutely nothing to do with anything muscle. The only remotely close thing is... if you build up muscle around the area you can somewhat limit injury to a ligament by limiting the stress on that ligament and allowing muscle to shoulder some of that stress.Tendons are Muscle to Bone attachments. This is the sort of thing that I "think" you guys are worried about. It sounds like this myth... the stonger someone is, the more pressure is placed on their tendons, the easier they will snap. I'm here to tell you, it doesn't happen. There are two tendon injuries that are at the very least, somewhat common. The Achille's tendon and the Patella tendon. The achilles tendon is the stringy thing at your heel that connects the muscles of the calf to the bone in you heal. Achille's injuries are usually the result of extensive downward pressure on you, while you are pushing upwards against it. Most of the time it's a pretty freak injury. I don't care how strong your calf is, it's not going to put enough pressure on your achilles to snap it. The tensile strength of tendons, especially in younger people is enormous. Which is why weightlifters can lift 500 lbs and not have tendons snap on them. The patella tendon is a knee tendon. Again, this injury really has very very little to do with anything the muscles around the knee cap are doing to pull on it. Most Patella tendon problems are the result of knee ligament injuries or due to jumping.You just do NOT see the flexor tendons of the arms/hands getting snapped by massive biceps and forearm muscles. It just doesn't happen. Trust me on this one... the MUSCLE is going to tear before the tendon does. And larger muscle mass is usually BETTER for preventing muscle tears then smaller muscle mass.STOP THE INSANITY!F
A few comments.First of all, due to reduced blood supply relative to the muscle tissue, tendons and ligaments thicken at a slower rate than muscle tissue==so it is possible to get too strong too fast for your own body. In non-drug tested powerlifting competitions, it's not uncommon at all to see catastrophic tendon tears--usually pec, bicep, and quad insertion tears. In dynamic events like a football game it's peak load usually as a result of some type of forceful contraction from a pre-stretched position that causes tendon avulsions--these forces are often well in excess of a players ability to lift any weight equivalent to the peak load. (It also speaks to the idiocy of doing bench presses in a manner where the bar is allowed to drop too quickly to the chest. Forcing the relatively fragile shoulder complex to such high loading forces while trying to change the bar's direction is the main reason so many long time weight lifters have bad shoulders. The bar might have 300lbs on it but the peak load at the change in direction can go as high as 500-600lbs or more depending on the lifters inability to control the descent. Those are the forces that can cause micro or macro traumas.) In addition to patella and achillies, bicep and tricep tendon avulsion injuries are also very common, as well as pectoral tears. Granted the upper body injuries are more common in linemen and defensive players but Boston's penchant for destroying a jammer certainly doesn't rule out tricep or pectoral tendon tears. I'm not a doctor but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.Ok, stop the madness. Does anyone here really have a clue of what they are saying or are you guys just posting random musings that pop in your head.First some basics. Ligaments are not even connected to muscle. They are strictly bone to bone attachments and they are there for support and structure. The ACL, MCL, PCL are ligaments. They have absolutely nothing to do with anything muscle. The only remotely close thing is... if you build up muscle around the area you can somewhat limit injury to a ligament by limiting the stress on that ligament and allowing muscle to shoulder some of that stress.Tendons are Muscle to Bone attachments. This is the sort of thing that I "think" you guys are worried about. It sounds like this myth... the stonger someone is, the more pressure is placed on their tendons, the easier they will snap. I'm here to tell you, it doesn't happen. There are two tendon injuries that are at the very least, somewhat common. The Achille's tendon and the Patella tendon. The achilles tendon is the stringy thing at your heel that connects the muscles of the calf to the bone in you heal. Achille's injuries are usually the result of extensive downward pressure on you, while you are pushing upwards against it. Most of the time it's a pretty freak injury. I don't care how strong your calf is, it's not going to put enough pressure on your achilles to snap it. The tensile strength of tendons, especially in younger people is enormous. Which is why weightlifters can lift 500 lbs and not have tendons snap on them. The patella tendon is a knee tendon. Again, this injury really has very very little to do with anything the muscles around the knee cap are doing to pull on it. Most Patella tendon problems are the result of knee ligament injuries or due to jumping.You just do NOT see the flexor tendons of the arms/hands getting snapped by massive biceps and forearm muscles. It just doesn't happen. Trust me on this one... the MUSCLE is going to tear before the tendon does. And larger muscle mass is usually BETTER for preventing muscle tears then smaller muscle mass.STOP THE INSANITY!F
Which is the better situation for the team? 1) The Chargers' David Boston coming to the sidelines for a couple plays so that Eric Parker can replace him on the field?That's about all I need to hear to be worried about boston this year, or ever, regaining his form from a few years ago. If he needs to take off alot of plays, he's no use.Now, Boston is trying to educate the Chargers about how they can get the most out of him on the field. Unlike last year's leading receiver, Curtis Conway, he doesn't believe it's in his best interest or the team's best interest for him to be on the field every play.
"They need to know the type of receiver that I've always been," Boston said. "If you're going to try to develop me into a Conway type of guy, I'm not an every-down guy. If I make like a nice catch on a dig, I'm going to need to come out of the game because I'm physically heavy. I have a lot of tissue, a lot of blood. I'm not in that type of shape. I'm in shape, but I'm not in that type of shape. I train for explosion, to be at my highest level for four or five plays, then come out for a couple.
...so do you know where I can get some steroids?You seem like the kinda guy who would know...You obviously know nothing about bobybuilding. It is indeed possible to naturally gain or lose over 40 lbs in a year w/o help. Bobybuilding is 80% diet 20 % pushing weights. Maybe Boston shaved his head b/c he wanted too... There are pleanty of guys that shave their heads these days. And not too be stereotypical, but there aren't many ways a black man can wear his hair (shave or braided in the summer, fro in the winter). However, I do believe MR. Boston's liver must be taken some kind of damage if he is consuming 90 pills a day. In fact many Russian bodybuilders and personal trainers whom I know can drop or gain 40 lbs in a month just b/c their diet is so good and clean. I highly doubt he is on HGH.