David Harris (1 Viewer)

[The Prodigy]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon.

Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

 

[obxlegends]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon. Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

I was lucky enough to grab both Willis and Harris last year and won't trade either for the foreseeable future.

 

[pretender]

A guy in one of my leagues advertised they would consider trading Harris - I offered 2.07 and 09 1st round pick and it was turned down cold. He posted after that that a 1st rounder would have to be included. 16 team dynasty league, higher than normal IDP scoring.

 

[tex]

I have Harris in one league and it would take a real nice offer to pry him loose.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i would sell him now while he's white hot. Both Willis and Harris played in the perfect storm conditions last season. Anemic offenses and defenses that couldn't get off the field and lacked other playmakers. while Vilma doesn't fit the 3-4, if he stays and plays opposite Harris he will steal tackle opportunities. then if the jets add Chris Long/Vernon Goldston as playmakers Harris's slice will get somewhat smaller. If the jets add Mcfadden then there offense will be alittle more potent and keep the defense off the field more than last year. 49ers may add Lance Briggs, if so he will definetly cut into Pat's tackle opportunities. and my niners offense can't get any worse can it?

 

[Young 8]

The Jets have given ILB Jonathan Vilma permission to shop himself for a potential trade.

Vilma is coming off knee surgery, but he was a Pro Bowl alternate his second season, and just doesn't fit well into Eric Mangini's 3-4 defense. He'll seek a long-term deal with a team that would then have to work out a trade with the Jets. Reuniting with former Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson in Jacksonville is a possibility.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon. Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

It hard to say that this is a weak class until the Combine #s come in.

 

[obxlegends]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon. Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

It hard to say that this is a weak class until the Combine #s come in.

If you rely only on "combine numbers" in determining the value of this class you're in for a rude awakening.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon. Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

It hard to say that this is a weak class until the Combine #s come in.

If you rely only on "combine numbers" in determining the value of this class you're in for a rude awakening.

I found that lately... The work out #s have been very usefully in find late rd talent. Would I trust #s on a early IDP pick, no... of course not. But the #s do come in handy around the 25th rd.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

 

[J Giles Band]

Offers for Harris have gone through the roof in one of my leagues. Im contemplating selling. With a week crop of MLB prospects, Im not sure I can replace Harris production, unless Curtis Lofton hits the right situation. Rivers I see playing outside, so I wouldnt put him near Harris any time soon. Anyone else thinking of dealing Harris. Or will he be a top 5 calibur LB for years to come, and is untouchable.

It hard to say that this is a weak class until the Combine #s come in.

Maybe... but no matter the combine numbers, this is still a weak LB class. You might try reading the Mike Mamula article on ESPN.com before putting too much stock in the combine. It is possible, however unlikely, the 1st round could pass without a single LB coming off the board.

 

[LBH]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

great post. I thought their defense was noticably better too

 

[KellysHeroes]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

great post. I thought their defense was noticably better too

Disagree... the Jets Run D wasn't that much betterWeek 9: Portis goes 192Week 12: MBIII & JJ go for 170Week 14: J Lewis goes 118Week 15: Maroney over a 100Week 16: L White over a 100Thats top 10 rush defense???? They Held Pitt in Week 11... which was a great win. But other than that any decent team they played in the later half of the season ran all over them. I watch most of their games this yr... don't argue this w/ me.They beat up KC and Mia... which deflated some #s. Move on.Not arguing about Harris here.. he should top 3 IDP this yr... no question, but the Run Defense was still terrible.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

great post. I thought their defense was noticably better too

Disagree... the Jets Run D wasn't that much betterWeek 9: Portis goes 192

Week 12: MBIII & JJ go for 170

Week 14: J Lewis goes 118

Week 15: Maroney over a 100

Week 16: L White over a 100

Thats top 10 rush defense???? They Held Pitt in Week 11... which was a great win. But other than that any decent team they played in the later half of the season ran all over them. I watch most of their games this yr... don't argue this w/ me.

They beat up KC and Mia... which deflated some #s. Move on.

Not arguing about Harris here.. he should top 3 IDP this yr... no question, but the Run Defense was still terrible.

Tough to argue against those stats, look them up; it's legit. Miami didn't run the ball enough [i think less than 20 times] and KC avg'd 4+ ypc. Yea, they gave up more yardage, but their ypc went down. Why? Teams ran more against them. Quality > quantity. The run D improved accordingly when Harris was inserted into the lineup. The run D was torched by Miami in game 1 and by a poor running team Cincy without Harris. Citing the KC and second Miami game is irrelevant.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

great post. I thought their defense was noticably better too

Disagree... the Jets Run D wasn't that much betterWeek 9: Portis goes 192

Week 12: MBIII & JJ go for 170

Week 14: J Lewis goes 118

Week 15: Maroney over a 100

Week 16: L White over a 100

Thats top 10 rush defense???? They Held Pitt in Week 11... which was a great win. But other than that any decent team they played in the later half of the season ran all over them. I watch most of their games this yr... don't argue this w/ me.

They beat up KC and Mia... which deflated some #s. Move on.

Not arguing about Harris here.. he should top 3 IDP this yr... no question, but the Run Defense was still terrible.

Tough to argue against those stats, look them up; it's legit. Miami didn't run the ball enough [i think less than 20 times] and KC avg'd 4+ ypc. Yea, they gave up more yardage, but their ypc went down. Why? Teams ran more against them. Quality > quantity. The run D improved accordingly when Harris was inserted into the lineup. The run D was torched by Miami in game 1 and by a poor running team Cincy without Harris. Citing the KC and second Miami game is irrelevant.

Didn't Mai have a different RB in that 1st... a guy named Ronnie??? Harris played that game.... and Kenny Watson was doing a decent job.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't do it. He was drafted to be a run stuffer in the middle and that is exactly what he did. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Jets' run defense improved dramatically once he was inserted into the lineup. Expect more of the same in the future.

It did??? may improved a little... but not dramatic.

Their ypc against improved by .4 yards from 4.25 to 3.85 [would taken them from bottom 10 to top 10], their rush TDs against improved .75 pts from 1.30 to .45 [would take them from 2nd worst to top 5], and their pts against improved over 9 pts from 27.4 to 18.1 [would take them from bottom 5 to 6th]. I'd call that drastic improvement.

great post. I thought their defense was noticably better too

Disagree... the Jets Run D wasn't that much betterWeek 9: Portis goes 192

Week 12: MBIII & JJ go for 170

Week 14: J Lewis goes 118

Week 15: Maroney over a 100

Week 16: L White over a 100

Thats top 10 rush defense???? They Held Pitt in Week 11... which was a great win. But other than that any decent team they played in the later half of the season ran all over them. I watch most of their games this yr... don't argue this w/ me.

They beat up KC and Mia... which deflated some #s. Move on.

Not arguing about Harris here.. he should top 3 IDP this yr... no question, but the Run Defense was still terrible.

Tough to argue against those stats, look them up; it's legit. Miami didn't run the ball enough [i think less than 20 times] and KC avg'd 4+ ypc. Yea, they gave up more yardage, but their ypc went down. Why? Teams ran more against them. Quality > quantity. The run D improved accordingly when Harris was inserted into the lineup. The run D was torched by Miami in game 1 and by a poor running team Cincy without Harris. Citing the KC and second Miami game is irrelevant.

Didn't Mai have a different RB in that 1st... a guy named Ronnie??? Harris played that game.... and Kenny Watson was doing a decent job.

I don't think Ronnie Brown alone can explain for the difference between Miami part 1 and Miami part 2, yes there's a difference but not as great of one as there was. He alone cannot account for more than 100 yds of total offense and 3 TDs. Lets not get Brown confused with LT. Harris first game of full-time duty was the Buffalo one, before then he was just a role player. The differences became recognizable starting then. Kenny Watson was not doing a decent job neither before nor after the Jets game, he had 157 total yds and 3 TDs. The only comparible game to that performance was week 16 vs. Cleveland (150 total yds, 1 TD) and we all know how putrid the Browns run D was.