***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[LususV]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

Because people get information and become more informed?

Then try and put together a 5th grade all-girls fantasy league, that should help you achieve what you are after.

Cool story bro?

I like to draft before the opinions I've been able to develop independently become 'collective wisdom'. By this week, most of the good sleepers are no longer sleepers.

 

[ponchsox]

Wow! I just finished a draft and didn’t know that Brown got hurt until now.

I feel really bad for Brown. He is a good kid that just can’t seem to stay healthy.

As a Giants fan this really sucks.

Fantasy wise I was able to snag Wilson as my #3 RB in a 16 team work league tonight

All guppies except you?

 

[Yenrub]

Wow! I just finished a draft and didn’t know that Brown got hurt until now.

I feel really bad for Brown. He is a good kid that just can’t seem to stay healthy.

As a Giants fan this really sucks.

Fantasy wise I was able to snag Wilson as my #3 RB in a 16 team work league tonight

All guppies except you?

LOL

I’m not really sure. The scoring system is new to me and I didn’t play in the league last year. All I know is I can start up to 4 RB if I want to and I figured if I could get 3 top 25 RB’s in a 16 team league I would figure the rest out as I went along. It is PPR and my best WR is Cecil Shorts so maybe I’m the guppy

 

[JetMaxx]

Top 5

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

Because people get information and become more informed?

Then try and put together a 5th grade all-girls fantasy league, that should help you achieve what you are after.

Cool story bro?

I like to draft before the opinions I've been able to develop independently become 'collective wisdom'. By this week, most of the good sleepers are no longer sleepers.

You mean while you search articles about training camp... and others stick to preseason games.

But tie whatever pretty bow on it you want.

☮

 

[tuffydawolf]

I fell bad for Brown as he attended my beloved Wolfpack of NC State. I'm also happy because I drafted Wilson 4:2 in my draft last Sunday. In my 12 team re-draft PPR leagues my backs are;

Spiller

Bush

Wilson

G Bernard

Tate.

Very happy with this stable of backs.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I fell bad for Brown as he attended my beloved Wolfpack of NC State. I'm also happy because I drafted Wilson 4:2 in my draft last Sunday. In my 12 team re-draft PPR leagues my backs are;

Spiller

Bush

Wilson

G Bernard

Tate.

Very happy with this stable of backs.

Thanks for the update.

 

[Matty2D]

I am not one to usually over-react, but am I silly to suspect he vaults to an early 2nd round pick? I am a big fan but obviously Brown was going to get a lot of carries, red zone looks and third downs.

Do we assume Wilson takes over these?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I am not one to usually over-react, but am I silly to suspect he vaults to an early 2nd round pick? I am a big fan but obviously Brown was going to get a lot of carries, red zone looks and third downs.

Do we assume Wilson takes over these?

We assume that Wilson has even more opportunities to take those over.

Its like Jamal Charles, they dont want to run him into the ground, yet he is unquestionably KCs best option.

When Brown (and someone like a Thomas Jones) are there with a modicum of talent and system understanding, you use them.

But when you dont have anyone that isnt a major drop off, you use the main back even more.

 

[LususV]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

Because people get information and become more informed?

Then try and put together a 5th grade all-girls fantasy league, that should help you achieve what you are after.

Cool story bro?

I like to draft before the opinions I've been able to develop independently become 'collective wisdom'. By this week, most of the good sleepers are no longer sleepers.

You mean while you search articles about training camp... and others stick to preseason games.

But tie whatever pretty bow on it you want.

☮

I've got a suggestion - stick to the topic instead of insults/trolling attempts.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I fell bad for Brown as he attended my beloved Wolfpack of NC State. I'm also happy because I drafted Wilson 4:2 in my draft last Sunday. In my 12 team re-draft PPR leagues my backs are;

Spiller

Bush

Wilson

G Bernard

Tate.

Very happy with this stable of backs.

Well, if you're going to brag....

McCoy, Murray, Wilson, Miller, Lacy, J.Bell, Ballard, D.Brown

 

[tuffydawolf]

I fell bad for Brown as he attended my beloved Wolfpack of NC State. I'm also happy because I drafted Wilson 4:2 in my draft last Sunday. In my 12 team re-draft PPR leagues my backs are;

Spiller

Bush

Wilson

G Bernard

Tate.

Very happy with this stable of backs.

Thanks for the update.

Your Welcome

 

[Pots]

I fell bad for Brown as he attended my beloved Wolfpack of NC State. I'm also happy because I drafted Wilson 4:2 in my draft last Sunday. In my 12 team re-draft PPR leagues my backs are;

Spiller

Bush

Wilson

G Bernard

Tate.

Very happy with this stable of backs.

Thanks for the update.

Your Welcome

Seriously I don't get why people make posts about their roster (usually bragging) in threads like these. There's a bragging/venting thread pinned in the SP, and the AC forum for Rate My Team if you want your epeen stroked. These kinds of posts add nothing of value to the discussion of the player.

David Wilson IMO was a value in the late 3rd before the injury and I'm predicting people who were overly cautious on Brown to have been forced into a reality check and accept Wilson as the 2nd round back (with RB1 upside) he actually is.

 

[Sabertooth]

I really don't think this injury impacts Wilson all that much. He was going to live and die on his own merits. His talent level is a lot higher than Browns. Brown was going to be a complimentary back to him all along. The will find another complimentary back. Not sure who that is but that player will probably have some value. Brandon Jacobs was mentioned earlier, I also think this would make sense for McGahee. But that player might already be on the roster as well. I haven't seen much of anything from any of the rostered backs. I could see the Giants bringing in a guy like Hillis if he is cut or James Starks.

 

[Khy]

I really don't think this injury impacts Wilson all that much. He was going to live and die on his own merits. His talent level is a lot higher than Browns. Brown was going to be a complimentary back to him all along. The will find another complimentary back. Not sure who that is but that player will probably have some value. Brandon Jacobs was mentioned earlier, I also think this would make sense for McGahee. But that player might already be on the roster as well. I haven't seen much of anything from any of the rostered backs. I could see the Giants bringing in a guy like Hillis if he is cut or James Starks.

I disagree for this main reason:

I agree, I felt like after around Week 5-6 Wilson would have taken most of Brown's carries away because he is so talented the coaches weren't going to be able to realistically take him off the field. However, that would have had 5-6 weeks of production closer to 15 or so touches a game possibly. Now Brown isn't there he'll be getting the NFL bellcow type of touches at 20+ a game. Which is a huge deal. Especially for someone like Wilson where any one of those carries can be an 80 yard touchdown. It's like with Jamaal Charles... ignore everything people are hyping about him. In the end it's more of a "Wait... wait... you're telling me Charles is going to get an extra 3-5 touches a game and probably see goal-line carries? I'm buying"

Wilson had 5 runs of 20+ yards and 2 of 40+ yards in 71 carries last season. More or less every 14.2 touches he broke a run of 20 yards. So given a real compliment of touches we're talking about at least a 20+ yard run per game. And he hit a 40+ yard run every 35.5 carries. Extrapolate those numbers on a full season of say 280 carries (Matt Waldman's new projection for him).

About 20 runs of 20+ yards and 8 of 40+ yards. By comparison here is what the stat looked like for that last season...

Adrian Peterson:

20+ runs: 27

40+ runs: 8

CJ Spiller

20+ runs: 12

40+ runs: 5

Jamaal Charles

20+ runs: 11

40+ runs: 5

Now I'm not saying "He's going to have an Adrian Peterson type of year" I'm just saying... the explosive potential is all there. Giving him an extra 30-40 carries with Brown gone could end up meaning an extra 200 yards and 2 more TDs. Which is the difference between him being a high floor RB3 with low-RB1 upside and him being a high floor RB2 with elite RB1 upside.

 

[Sabertooth]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

 

[Khy]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

I didn't consider Brown a threat at all really. I'm quoted several times in many threads saying I'd have been surprised if Brown approached 150 carries this season. And also arguing the point that the "goal line back" job didn't really matter as him and Wilson still would have split goal line carries. Not to mention the fact that Brown had been horribly in-effective all preseason in short yardage situations. Not to mention the fact that he had a 3.8YPC average this preseason compared to Wilson's ridiculous 7.5YPC average. Both of those averages btw were with Wilson on the field with ONLY the #1's of each team and Brown on the field for a lot of #2's work.

Wilson's final line is completely disgusting...

24 carries, 179 yards, 7.5ypc and 1 TD with 7 receptions, 31 yards 4.4 ypr

Can't wait for week one, as a fan and owner it's going to be a lot of fun watching this kid play.

 

[Sabertooth]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder.

Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

 

[ponchsox]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

 

[Grahamburn]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

 

[Sabertooth]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

Yeah I don't know that Brown was actually all that good to be honest. They trusted a 3rd stringer last season (Brown). Brown is a journeyman.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not one to usually over-react, but am I silly to suspect he vaults to an early 2nd round pick? I am a big fan but obviously Brown was going to get a lot of carries, red zone looks and third downs.

Do we assume Wilson takes over these?

We assume that Wilson has even more opportunities to take those over.

Its like Jamal Charles, they dont want to run him into the ground, yet he is unquestionably KCs best option.

When Brown (and someone like a Thomas Jones) are there with a modicum of talent and system understanding, you use them.

But when you dont have anyone that isnt a major drop off, you use the main back even more.

Best post in this thread!!!

 

[msudaisy26]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

I didn't consider Brown a threat at all really. I'm quoted several times in many threads saying I'd have been surprised if Brown approached 150 carries this season. And also arguing the point that the "goal line back" job didn't really matter as him and Wilson still would have split goal line carries. Not to mention the fact that Brown had been horribly in-effective all preseason in short yardage situations. Not to mention the fact that he had a 3.8YPC average this preseason compared to Wilson's ridiculous 7.5YPC average. Both of those averages btw were with Wilson on the field with ONLY the #1's of each team and Brown on the field for a lot of #2's work.

Wilson's final line is completely disgusting...

24 carries, 179 yards, 7.5ypc and 1 TD with 7 receptions, 31 yards 4.4 ypr

Can't wait for week one, as a fan and owner it's going to be a lot of fun watching this kid play.

But if you take away his 84 yard touchdown run he is under 5 YPC.

I am joking by the way

 

[Grahamburn]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

 

[Touchdown There]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

To break his leg.

 

[ODannyBoy]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder.

Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

I think this is where I am at with it. There is always going to be another back or two on the roster that are going to get some carries for most teams in the NFL.

So if you always thought Wilson was going to earn a large share, Brown's injury doesn't change things all that much. And if you thought Wilson isn't capable of being a 3-down bellcow, then the injury to Brown doesn't change that much.

About the only significant change would be for the guys that just thought A.Brown was so good that he was going to be taking significant touches away from Wilson by virtue of being as good as Wilson. If you saw Wilson as being good, but Brown was so good so as to make it a 50/50 split or better in Brown's favor, then you've got a serious shift in touch distribution. But that kind of talk kinda got quiet as the preseason games progressed and Wilson looked so good.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

I don't know where you get this from. The giants have a history of plugging in RBs who aren't particularly special and turning them into producers. Andre Brown plugged into the offense.....and suddenly folks thought he was impressive. Derrick Ward averaged 5.6 yds per carry and ran for over 1000 yards in 2008. Then suddenly Ahmad Bradshaw - a 7th round pick - became a big part of the offense and was effective. (though note that he only averaged 4.8 yds per carry - less than Derrick Ward)

In other words, either the Giants will do a good job finding an effective backup RB, or their system is such that they can just plug a random guy in there and see him perform well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

To break his leg.

 

[T with T]

Ouch. God I feel terrible for Brown. He had / talent, but just can not stay healthy.

Second, sucks as a Giants fan. He had a role, regardless how good Wilson was, was a nice backup at worst (a really nice one, nfl wise) and allowed the Giants to not overuse Wilson.

From a fantasy perspective, the stars just aligned. The question had been almost all about role, not talent or surrounding team. And you'd have to assume that Wilson will get as many carries as the team feels he can handle, health / freshness perspective. While ceiling would be tiki numbers for me, I'd say 80-90% of that type of huge yardage and decent TD year are well within reach an only because I think the Giants will try to find someone to take off some of the load. But it's going to fall almost all on Wilson's shoulders now.

Third downs he might get a breather, wonder if we see a little more of Cox as the Giants will give more touches to Wilson but I can't see them wanting to run him into the ground. But who knows, if Wilson can show that he can handle 20-22 touches the coaches will go with the horses.

That said, we have a chance to see what this kids ceiling is and from a Giants fan perspective that could be a lot of fun. A lot of us were pretty pumped by the draft pick last year and we will see how good he can be.

Yeah as a Giants fan I'm extremely upset and extremely excited as well. For the same reasons you covered. I loved knowing the insurance we had in Brown and the talent he had as a change of pace to Wilson. At the same time... I can't WAIT (like running around my house naked in excitement) to see what Wilson does with true bell cow type carries. We've never seen him be on the field for more than like 3-5 plays at a time since he's been drafted. I'm really really really excited about watching him get consecutive carries and build up some momentum in some games now.

Great post I feel ya man same here. He doesn't need 20-25 carries ... give him 18 avg and 4-5 catches and he is top 5 back. I drafted him early 3rd and thought it was a little early on Sun the 25 of aug but now it doesn't look so bad. I love Wilson's potential. 1400 40-350 1750 scrimmage yards 40 catches and 12 tds total is possible

 

[meyerj31]

Here comes the parade of the douschenozzles that took him "earlier" than suggested and are going to brag about it.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

I don't know, to see if he could handle the duties? Isn't preseason mostly a big tryout?

 

[T with T]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Me and tooth have been big wilson supporters the whole time. It's sad something like this had to happen.. I didn't think Brown was much of a threat but it def gives Wilson the keys to the Car for now. He is very explosive..

 

[ODannyBoy]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

It all depends on what was being done with those 3rd down snaps. I don't remember a lot of them actually being touch opportunities. But in fairness, I haven't seen them catalogued to know for sure.

This label of 3rd down back that we use is a bit sloppy. On some teams it's going to be a blocking specialist. On others it's going to be the quick/speed guy that can exploit a one-on-one reception opportunity. For others it's a guy that can give the starter a breather since he just carried it twice in a row. The lucky teams are the ones that have a guy that can do all of them.

That's why I haven't been too worried over 3rd downs when Brown was healthy. If they know they need the RB to block, he's going to get the play, but it isn't a lost touch for Wilson. But when it comes to getting a touch, Wilson's talent is going to be the reason they give him some looks on 3rd down.

Think about it this way, if they trust Wilson to block or run a route on 2nd down, why would they be so rigid on 3rd down?

 

[LususV]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

I don't know where you get this from. The giants have a history of plugging in RBs who aren't particularly special and turning them into producers. Andre Brown plugged into the offense.....and suddenly folks thought he was impressive. Derrick Ward averaged 5.6 yds per carry and ran for over 1000 yards in 2008. Then suddenly Ahmad Bradshaw - a 7th round pick - became a big part of the offense and was effective. (though note that he only averaged 4.8 yds per carry - less than Derrick Ward)

In other words, either the Giants will do a good job finding an effective backup RB, or their system is such that they can just plug a random guy in there and see him perform well.

Michael Cox is a bigger guy than I thought he was (222 combine weight). If he can pass protect, he could be direct Andre backup. Otherwise I think they put Andre on IR designated to return, and sign a veteran FA post-week 1 to be the COP/3rd down guy. Other than Turner, I think I'd be ok (as a Giants' fan) with most of the candidates in a 70/30 split.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's pretty clear Brown was going to be the 3rd down back. If Wilson inherits even half of those snaps he'll see a lot more than a "small bump."

I don't recall Coughlin ever stating that Brown would be the third down back.

So all those snaps Brown was taking on third downs after Wilson trotted off the field were for what purpose?

To break his leg.

Am I a bad person for chuckling at this? There is some great comedy on this board sometimes even if I know I shouldn't be laughing.

 

[stbugs]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

I don't know where you get this from. The giants have a history of plugging in RBs who aren't particularly special and turning them into producers. Andre Brown plugged into the offense.....and suddenly folks thought he was impressive. Derrick Ward averaged 5.6 yds per carry and ran for over 1000 yards in 2008. Then suddenly Ahmad Bradshaw - a 7th round pick - became a big part of the offense and was effective. (though note that he only averaged 4.8 yds per carry - less than Derrick Ward)

In other words, either the Giants will do a good job finding an effective backup RB, or their system is such that they can just plug a random guy in there and see him perform well.

Since Manning has been on the Giants, their passing game has gotten much better and instead of being around 300 points per year the offense has been closer to 400 points per year. Between Steve Smith, Burress, Manningham, Nicks and Cruz, they've had a pretty decent receiving core to take the pressure off the running game. Throw in a decent line and their running game has usually been pretty solid.

That said, just assuming they will continue to plug in guys might not be correct. They got rid of Bradshaw and now Brown is out for a while, that is 2 of their 3 top RBs last year. Sometimes you can go to the well, but with Torain, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Think about the Shanny years between TD/Portis and Morris. Some years you find a Mike Anderson, who actually has some talents and plugs in well and some years you find guys like Torain and Gary and they don't exactly give you the same production. Assuming Torain and another rookie will replace Brown is premature. Brown isn't exactly the most talented guy, but he had at least proven last year that he could be plugged in and do well.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I guess what I am saying is that I never really considered Brown a threat. You did. Truth is we won't ever know.

Not even for goalline, when Brown was getting plenty of GL looks with the first team in the preseason? TDs can be kinda big in this hobby.

Maybe, maybe not. Preseason is tricky that way. Tough to say. I mean I guess I had Brown getting 5-8 touchdowns. I don't think with his injury that Wilson automatically gets a bump of 5-8 touchdowns. Maybe he gets 2 or 3 more over the course of the season. If we were thinking this was a 65-35 split for fantasy points before, maybe it becomes 70-30 now in favor of Wilson. Small bump, but I don't think it suddenly makes Wilson a safe first rounder. Somebody is going to take up some of the slack that Brown would have gotten, maybe a host of players.

Whomever becomes the primary backup(s) won't be as good as Andre Brown. I don't the Giants will trust a 3rd string RB in key situations. Maybe to spell Wilson here and there. I think the split will be more like 80/20.

I don't know where you get this from. The giants have a history of plugging in RBs who aren't particularly special and turning them into producers. Andre Brown plugged into the offense.....and suddenly folks thought he was impressive. Derrick Ward averaged 5.6 yds per carry and ran for over 1000 yards in 2008. Then suddenly Ahmad Bradshaw - a 7th round pick - became a big part of the offense and was effective. (though note that he only averaged 4.8 yds per carry - less than Derrick Ward)

In other words, either the Giants will do a good job finding an effective backup RB, or their system is such that they can just plug a random guy in there and see him perform well.

Since Manning has been on the Giants, their passing game has gotten much better and instead of being around 300 points per year the offense has been closer to 400 points per year. Between Steve Smith, Burress, Manningham, Nicks and Cruz, they've had a pretty decent receiving core to take the pressure off the running game. Throw in a decent line and their running game has usually been pretty solid.

That said, just assuming they will continue to plug in guys might not be correct. They got rid of Bradshaw and now Brown is out for a while, that is 2 of their 3 top RBs last year. Sometimes you can go to the well, but with Torain, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Think about the Shanny years between TD/Portis and Morris. Some years you find a Mike Anderson, who actually has some talents and plugs in well and some years you find guys like Torain and Gary and they don't exactly give you the same production. Assuming Torain and another rookie will replace Brown is premature. Brown isn't exactly the most talented guy, but he had at least proven last year that he could be plugged in and do well.

Why are others assuming that they can NOT replace Brown with Torain or someone else? Historical track record is on my side - it's almost like others have seen the sun rise at dawn every day for years, and are now suddenly waking up one morning before dawn and saying "####, I'm really worried the sun won't come up today."

 

[TheFanatic]

I really don't think this injury impacts Wilson all that much. He was going to live and die on his own merits. His talent level is a lot higher than Browns. Brown was going to be a complimentary back to him all along. The will find another complimentary back. Not sure who that is but that player will probably have some value. Brandon Jacobs was mentioned earlier, I also think this would make sense for McGahee. But that player might already be on the roster as well. I haven't seen much of anything from any of the rostered backs. I could see the Giants bringing in a guy like Hillis if he is cut or James Starks.

So up till now it has been all, "but Brown. But goal line carries to Brown. But Brown."

Now Brown is gone for a while still no love for Wilson.

This is what I was talking about to those hating on the Wilson love. Here was quite a bit of hate too.

 

[netnalp]

They've plugged in guys before and had moderate success like Ward, Ware, Droughns. The Giants running attack is more of one that uses deception rather than one out muscles defenders and pushes them off the ball. The Giants struggle in situations where the defense knows they are going to be running the ball. Such as, short yardage, red zone and running out the clock. They use a lot of draw plays. On Giants boards fans often gripe about the amount of shotgun draws the team uses.

 

[Sabertooth]

I really don't think this injury impacts Wilson all that much. He was going to live and die on his own merits. His talent level is a lot higher than Browns. Brown was going to be a complimentary back to him all along. The will find another complimentary back. Not sure who that is but that player will probably have some value. Brandon Jacobs was mentioned earlier, I also think this would make sense for McGahee. But that player might already be on the roster as well. I haven't seen much of anything from any of the rostered backs. I could see the Giants bringing in a guy like Hillis if he is cut or James Starks.

So up till now it has been all, "but Brown. But goal line carries to Brown. But Brown."

Now Brown is gone for a while still no love for Wilson.

This is what I was talking about to those hating on the Wilson love. Here was quite a bit of hate too.

No. I think you misread me. I have always been a Wilson supporter.

 

[austinball]

I'm ranking Wilson ABOVE CJ2K, Forte, and SJAX in standard leagues. And a toss up with Rice.

Wilson has the talent as we've seen.

• PROS -- Explosive, and great balance. Im assuming good vision, but thats TBD. Has the passing game with Eli and elite WRs to keep the pressure of the line and give him the 8-10 opptys per game to break a long one. No backup.
• CONS -- How's the OL (any thoughts NYG homers)? He's never done it for a whole season before. Unpredictable, mercurial coach.
• THOUGHTS -- I think D Wilson is built like the kind of back who can last an entire season. D Martin was a rook last year and no one questioned his workload. Wilson isn't as stout as the Rice/Martin/MJD mold, but he's got their balance and so is hard to tackle and maybe more explosive.

CJ2K has done it before big time.

• PROS -- Improved OL. Run game will be the focus of the game plan. Head coach is a former OL. Super fast. Seems re-motivated this season.
• CONS -- Seems more fragile than the stockier guys. Easier to tackle. Not a great passing game to take the pressure off. Inconsistent results. Green is a decent backup.

Forte has also delivered the goods before.

• PROS -- Good all-round RB. Offensive scheme rebuilt around running game. Improved OL.
• CONS -- Doesn't seem as explosive as some of the other guys, but solid all around. I don't trust his QB. Obviously more value in PPR than standard. Bush is a decent backup.

I realize this isnt a technical comparison of these guys as much as a subjective collection of thoughts. I really think that Wilson is primed to enter the Top7 THIS SEASON. I had planned to draft CJ2K or Forte from my spot, but probably going DW. High risk move I know...

 

[Horses Mouth]

[*]CONS -- Seems more fragile than the stockier guys. Easier to tackle. Not a great passing game to take the pressure off. Inconsistent results. Green is a decent backup.

F

I'm ranking Wilson ABOVE CJ2K, Forte, and SJAX in standard leagues. And a toss up with Rice.

Wilson has the talent as we've seen.

• PROS -- Explosive, and great balance. Im assuming good vision, but thats TBD. Has the passing game with Eli and elite WRs to keep the pressure of the line and give him the 8-10 opptys per game to break a long one. No backup.
• CONS -- How's the OL (any thoughts NYG homers)? He's never done it for a whole season before. Unpredictable, mercurial coach.
• THOUGHTS -- I think D Wilson is built like the kind of back who can last an entire season. D Martin was a rook last year and no one questioned his workload. Wilson isn't as stout as the Rice/Martin/MJD mold, but he's got their balance and so is hard to tackle and maybe more explosive.

CJ2K has done it before big time.

• PROS -- Improved OL. Run game will be the focus of the game plan. Head coach is a former OL. Super fast. Seems re-motivated this season.
• CONS -- Seems more fragile than the stockier guys. Easier to tackle. Not a great passing game to take the pressure off. Inconsistent results. Green is a decent backup.

Forte has also delivered the goods before.

• PROS -- Good all-round RB. Offensive scheme rebuilt around running game. Improved OL.
• CONS -- Doesn't seem as explosive as some of the other guys, but solid all around. I don't trust his QB. Obviously more value in PPR than standard. Bush is a decent backup.

I realize this isnt a technical comparison of these guys as much as a subjective collection of thoughts. I really think that Wilson is primed to enter the Top7 THIS SEASON. I had planned to draft CJ2K or Forte from my spot, but probably going DW. High risk move I know...

CJ is not fragile. He is one of the most durable players in the league.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I think Wilson gets more redzone love with this news, But I tend to think we see a little NO or GB style play and maybe a big body likes Nicks get a little more redzone love now as well.

 

[Koya]

Clearly a mid to late second round pick now, this sucks for those of us who were believers and had some value with him in the third.

Personally, I am committed anyway and will take him mid second round now

This is partially why I refuse to do late drafts.

Because people get information and become more informed?

Then try and put together a 5th grade all-girls fantasy league, that should help you achieve what you are after.

Cool story bro?

I like to draft before the opinions I've been able to develop independently become 'collective wisdom'. By this week, most of the good sleepers are no longer sleepers.

FWIW, there are simply different sleepers now. , And collective wisdom often leads to collective hype, or guys who become overvalued.

To each their own, but why any owner would want to draft when there is far more uncertainty regarding things we can't know (injury) is beyond me, but again, we all are entitled to our own opinion. It only expands the luck factor rather than skill, imo.

 

[Sabertooth]

[*]CONS -- Seems more fragile than the stockier guys. Easier to tackle. Not a great passing game to take the pressure off. Inconsistent results. Green is a decent backup.

F

I'm ranking Wilson ABOVE CJ2K, Forte, and SJAX in standard leagues. And a toss up with Rice.

Wilson has the talent as we've seen.

• PROS -- Explosive, and great balance. Im assuming good vision, but thats TBD. Has the passing game with Eli and elite WRs to keep the pressure of the line and give him the 8-10 opptys per game to break a long one. No backup.
• CONS -- How's the OL (any thoughts NYG homers)? He's never done it for a whole season before. Unpredictable, mercurial coach.
• THOUGHTS -- I think D Wilson is built like the kind of back who can last an entire season. D Martin was a rook last year and no one questioned his workload. Wilson isn't as stout as the Rice/Martin/MJD mold, but he's got their balance and so is hard to tackle and maybe more explosive.

CJ2K has done it before big time.

• PROS -- Improved OL. Run game will be the focus of the game plan. Head coach is a former OL. Super fast. Seems re-motivated this season.
• CONS -- Seems more fragile than the stockier guys. Easier to tackle. Not a great passing game to take the pressure off. Inconsistent results. Green is a decent backup.

Forte has also delivered the goods before.

• PROS -- Good all-round RB. Offensive scheme rebuilt around running game. Improved OL.
• CONS -- Doesn't seem as explosive as some of the other guys, but solid all around. I don't trust his QB. Obviously more value in PPR than standard. Bush is a decent backup.

I realize this isnt a technical comparison of these guys as much as a subjective collection of thoughts. I really think that Wilson is primed to enter the Top7 THIS SEASON. I had planned to draft CJ2K or Forte from my spot, but probably going DW. High risk move I know...

CJ is not fragile. He is one of the most durable players in the league.

He's plays like a #####. /slapshot

 

[Khy]

I think Wilson gets more redzone love with this news, But I tend to think we see a little NO or GB style play and maybe a big body likes Nicks get a little more redzone love now as well.

The Giants never have and never will perform to a NO and GB style of play. That's asinine to think of really...not much have changed for the Giants. If anything Wilson gives them a better rushing game than they've had since Tiki Barber retired. So to say they would now become more of a pass happy offense in the red zone makes very very little sense to me.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I think Wilson gets more redzone love with this news, But I tend to think we see a little NO or GB style play and maybe a big body likes Nicks get a little more redzone love now as well.

The Giants never have and never will perform to a NO and GB style of play. That's asinine to think of really...not much have changed for the Giants. If anything Wilson gives them a better rushing game than they've had since Tiki Barber retired. So to say they would now become more of a pass happy offense in the red zone makes very very little sense to me.

Wow this place has gotten harsh lately. Share a thought, get called asinine. Happy Friday to you too.... LOL

 

[Khy]

I think Wilson gets more redzone love with this news, But I tend to think we see a little NO or GB style play and maybe a big body likes Nicks get a little more redzone love now as well.

The Giants never have and never will perform to a NO and GB style of play. That's asinine to think of really...not much have changed for the Giants. If anything Wilson gives them a better rushing game than they've had since Tiki Barber retired. So to say they would now become more of a pass happy offense in the red zone makes very very little sense to me.

Wow this place has gotten harsh lately. Share a thought, get called asinine. Happy Friday to you too.... LOL

It's not being harsh... saying that you see the Giants moving towards more of a NO or GB style of play is like saying "I see Ryan Torain beating out Wilson for the starting job when it's all said and done". It's a completely baseless statement with no evidence. If you had said that and then given some real points as to why you think that it'd make more sense. Otherwise you're just making random comments.