***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[Sinn Fein]

Is everyone ok? Was a little worried when I saw the wheels fall off the train.

 

[drake_ovo]

now this is the giants team i know.

 

[massraider]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

 

[Rick James]

Man thank The Lord for Cruz.

 

[ponchsox]

What a horror show for Wilson owners. He become a borderline RB1 to bench fodder in a little overa half of football.

 

[Max Power]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Rashaan Salaam had some talent

 

[msudaisy26]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Way too early for those talks, Tiki was much worse he had 35 fumbles in 961 carries after becoming the guy in 4 years before he corrected his issues. It is a problem though.

 

[Banger]

I don't have a horse in this race, don't care who's the starter (though I'll be watching) but one thing I've learned with these situations over the years is not to make up your mind and ignore the tea leaves and think you know better than the coach. I look at players and read as much as I can about them but the most important thing is what the coach says and does. Often times the beat writers are a good source as well...not always, not every situation but it's a puzzle that you have to put together from the various clues you get....some will have more weight/merit than others and through experience/luck/skill you can get the correct read on the situation.

My take on this particular situation is that Wilson is more talented and he'll be given the opportunity (old man Coughlin has said as much). I think it will start as a time sharing situation but the important thing that I'll bet watching and listening for is for confirmed improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security and pass protection. In these situations I tend to go for the Wilson type if it looks like he may have a chance to emerge or I'll avoid the situation entirely. Drafting the Lendale White (1B part of the backfield) doesn't have the upside but has downside risk of being completely useless.

Again, I must ask, how did he have ball security issues last year with 1 lost fumble in 71 carries?

it's not what I think...it's fact....

NY Giants coach Tom Coughlin benches David Wilson after first-half fumble against Cowboys Rookie and 2012 first-rounder gets message to hold on to the ball after fumble against Cowboys stalls Big Blue momentum Comments (3) By Ebenezer Samuel AND Ralph Vacchiano / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Thursday, September 6, 2012, 10:18 PM

David Wilson knows to hold onto the ball after being benched for fumbling on second pro carry.

In the moments after Giants rookie running back David Wilson fumbled on Wednesday night, the NBC cameras showed a close-up of his face and a possible tear under his left eye. There was no doubt, as Tom Coughlin said, that Wilson was “very upset.”

But was he crying after he was yanked from the game?

“No, I wasn't crying,” Wilson said Thursday. “I was definitely upset. But, I think it would have been a lot worse if I was smiling or feeling good about it.”

He definitely wasn’t feeling good after he fumbled on his second NFL carry, ruining a Giants drive on which, Coughlin said, “some decent things were happening.” That wasn’t the reason the Giants lost their opener to the Cowboys, 24-17, but it did take away some of their momentum.

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“On the sidelines he was very upset about what happened,” Coughlin said. “I did give him credit for that. He was deeply, deeply sorry about what happened. Unfortunately it happened.”

Coughlin admitted Thursday that the fumble was the reason Wilson was benched. “We’re playing the opening game of the year,” Coughlin said. “It’s a divisional game. We had just driven the ball. We’re going to be a bit reluctant. This is not preseason. This is serious business now.”

Wilson seemed to understand all that, and said, “I don’t think they totally gave up on me. They wanted to show me how important it was to hold onto the ball.”

That message was received, even if it didn’t actually bring Wilson to tears.

“I’m passionate about the game and I know (fumbling) is something I have been working on and not wanting to do,” he said. “And for it to happen on my second carry in the opening game, I was highly disappointed.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/benching-n-o-crying-shame-giants-david-wilson-article-1.1153792#ixzz2a56I9fKc

Everyone knows that story from beginning to end, but again, 1 fumble in 71 carries doesn't constitute a fumbling problem.

it is when it's a big part of why a talented player totals 17 total carries over the first 10 weeks. I wouldn't have thought it was a big deal but Coughlin clearly did. He sent the message loud and clear and it's undeniable. It doesn't matter what you think or I think, all that matters is what Coughlin thinks. Whether you call it a fumbling issue, a trust issue, whatever, there was an issue there that largely derailed his season otherwise he would've gotten the ball more.

I'm not denying the reason why Coughlin benched him, I know it's because he fumbled. My response was to your comment " improvement of the things that held him back last year like ball security". My point is that 1 fumble in 71 carries didn't hold him back. He obviously did pretty well with ball security for the entire season.

but as I said it may not be an isolated instance...maybe he was putting the ball on the floor in practice and they talked to him and he didn't listen...who knows...what I know was the punishment was severe...it wasn't a half or a game, it was more than half a season. What really matters is if will get a longer leash WHEN it happens again. If he fumbles in the 1st qtr of game 1, how are you gonna feel as a Wilson owner? I know if I owned him I'd say "oh F###!!!"

The coughlin trust issue was one of my biggest fears in owning him. You can't predict how old man coughlin is gonna react....even if he has no options.....

 

[massraider]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Way too early for those talks, Tiki was much worse he had 35 fumbles in 961 carries after becoming the guy in 4 years before he corrected his issues. It is a problem though.

I don't think he'll never be trusted again. I am thinking he's a buy low, because I cannot think of a player that could never kick the fumbling habit.

Rashaan Salaam, was it fumbling? I cannot remember.

 

[Concept Coop]

He's growing as a man, at least. He didn't cry.

 

[Late225]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

I thought of Tiki. Then I remembered he fixed his football fumbling problem but fumbled his career away with his mouth.

 

[ponchsox]

I laughed at someone for offering me Vincent Jackson for Wilson last week. Now I'm lucky to get Eric Decker for him.

 

[fatkid]

I know the giants had some FA RBa in for workouts last week. Any idea which one impressed? Will Scott get a legit shot, or will McGhee, wells, or grant get a shot?

 

[msudaisy26]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Way too early for those talks, Tiki was much worse he had 35 fumbles in 961 carries after becoming the guy in 4 years before he corrected his issues. It is a problem though.

I don't think he'll never be trusted again. I am thinking he's a buy low, because I cannot think of a player that could never kick the fumbling habit.Rashaan Salaam, was it fumbling? I cannot remember.

I am not sure about Salaam, even if the Giants give up on him another team will take a chance and another coach will think they can correct the fumbling. Wilson might not be good this year but he is far from done

 

[Insein]

My dynamic starting RB tandem of Ridley and Wilson is looking super awesome right now.

I've got MJD and Wilson. So yea...

 

[Xue]

Ahmad Bradshaw had/has fumbling issues but at least he could pass protect.

 

[SUG]

I do not own Wilson but i would suggest taking in a little oxygen and a walk around the neighborhood....yes he's certainly done for the night and not startable the next few weeks. he has no competition and by week 10 could be every bit the golden boy you guys dreamed about.

the Giants are not going to give up on the guy from a 1 game performance, that would be stupid.

Buy Buy Buy....

 

[Boomer1]

I laughed at someone for offering me Vincent Jackson for Wilson last week. Now I'm lucky to get Eric Decker for him.

I have Decker and wouldn't trade you for Wilson....

 

[One]

The Giants will sign a veteran RB this week.

 

[Max Power]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Way too early for those talks, Tiki was much worse he had 35 fumbles in 961 carries after becoming the guy in 4 years before he corrected his issues. It is a problem though.

I don't think he'll never be trusted again. I am thinking he's a buy low, because I cannot think of a player that could never kick the fumbling habit.

Rashaan Salaam, was it fumbling? I cannot remember.

He wasnt a major talent, but he went from Heisman to out of the league in 3 years. He did fumble a lot.

ok I looked it up.... 14 fumbles in 470 carrer carries. I would have guessed worse

 

[Raider Nation]

David Wilson was benched in the third quarter of Sunday night's game against the Cowboys after his second fumble.Think about the worst game a running back could possibly have and then double it. Wilson lost his first fumble just four minutes into the opener, but coach Tom Coughlin stuck with him. A little later, Wilson got stuffed on a 1st-and-goal chance from the 1-yard line. On the next play, he blew a protection assignment that got Eli Manning sacked. Then, on the Giants' first possession of the third quarter, Wilson mind-numbingly lost another fumble. At that point, Coughlin had seen enough and benched his supremely talented yet mistake-prone back for good. Wilson finished with seven carries for 19 yards, no catches and the two lost fumbles. Da'Rel Scott finished out the game at running back. The Giants won't give up on Wilson, but a veteran signing this week is likely. They worked out Beanie Wells, Jonathan Dwyer and Tim Hightower last week. Andre Brown (leg) isn't eligible to return until Week 10

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well at least Da'Rel Scott officially lost NYG the game more than Wilson

 

[ODannyBoy]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

Lost a career because of 3 fumbles in two games? I doubt it.

That says more about Coughlin than it does Wilson.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

 

[msudaisy26]

David Wilson was benched in the third quarter of Sunday night's game against the Cowboys after his second fumble.

Think about the worst game a running back could possibly have and then double it. Wilson lost his first fumble just four minutes into the opener, but coach Tom Coughlin stuck with him. A little later, Wilson got stuffed on a 1st-and-goal chance from the 1-yard line. On the next play, he blew a protection assignment that got Eli Manning sacked. Then, on the Giants' first possession of the third quarter, Wilson mind-numbingly lost another fumble. At that point, Coughlin had seen enough and benched his supremely talented yet mistake-prone back for good. Wilson finished with seven carries for 19 yards, no catches and the two lost fumbles. Da'Rel Scott finished out the game at running back. The Giants won't give up on Wilson, but a veteran signing this week is likely. They worked out Beanie Wells, Jonathan Dwyer and Tim Hightower last week. Andre Brown (leg) isn't eligible to return until Week 10

Wilson did suck tonight but that goal line carry was blown up in the backfield

 

[Smack Tripper]

Sorry Wilson owners...Giant homer here.... he's toast....beyond the loss of confidence by the coach and Eli's unsteadyness with him, look in WILSON'S eyes, he is shot

He's actually carrying the ball worse than last year somehow.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I need some waiver wire magic to save my season

My team is bad with my gambles

Wilson

Mjd

Gio Bernard

Oye

 

[Concept Coop]

They should trade for Bradshaw. Seriously.

 

[Yenrub]

Well at least Da'Rel Scott officially lost NYG the game more than Wilson

No he didn't

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I need some waiver wire magic to save my season

My team is bad with my gambles

Wilson

Mjd

Gio Bernard

Oye

Give Oye a chance - much better than the rest of them.

 

[Phenix]

Anyone who supported this guy is a fool. End of story.

 

[Avery]

Anyone who supported this guy is a fool. End of story.

OK, Nostradamus.

 

[Popinski]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

What a disaster for Wilson. He'll get chances to atone, but have to wonder if he will mentally overcome this, especially knowing Coughlin is his coach.

 

[ponchsox]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

What a disaster for Wilson. He'll get chances to atone, but have to wonder if he will mentally overcome this, especially knowing Coughlin is his coach.

I think he will, but it's obvious he can't be a bellow for the Giants. Best case scenario is het gets a dozen touches and takes one to the house every so often. He's nothing more than a flex play going forward.

 

[ShaHBucks]

This thread should be locked.

 

[msudaisy26]

This thread should be locked.

Best post in the thread

 

[zoonation]

Listening to Coughlin, Wilson will be back in there. Maybe not next week though.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Huge vote of no confidence from Coughlin. He wouldn't name him starting back (but said he's still in their plans and didn't say he WASN'T the starter). Paraphrasing:

-you're gonna fumble every time they touch you? It can't happen

-the worst part was it looked like he fumbled after the play was over

 

[Smack Tripper]

Listening to Coughlin, Wilson will be back in there. Maybe not next week though.

We know that, he has to be...certainly wasn't a confidence building presser though

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A question I don't know the answer to:

Has any player ever fumbled his career away? Meaning, can anyone think of a guy that had the talent but had his chance taken away by fumbling?

I was thinking this earlier. Fumbling will kill the career of a player with mediocre talent. For those players, being "safe" is their best attribute.

We can think of tons of RB's who have fixed their fumbling problems.

Can we think of any guy considered to be a blue chip kind of talent, who literally just couldn't get his fumbles under control? I can't.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well at least Da'Rel Scott officially lost NYG the game more than Wilson

No he didn't

Scott didnt catch a pass that directly lead to the game winning DAL TD. Wilson fumbled earlier in the game, when at that point things couldve changed. Yes, Scott's gaffe sealed the game more than Wilson's.

I doubt Coughlin looks at them equally though.

 

[ponchsox]

Listening to Coughlin, Wilson will be back in there. Maybe not next week though.

We know that, he has to be...certainly wasn't a confidence building presser though

How could it be after that performance?

 

[zoonation]

Huge vote of no confidence from Coughlin. He wouldn't name him starting back (but said he's still in their plans and didn't say he WASN'T the starter). Paraphrasing:

-you're gonna fumble every time they touch you? It can't happen

-the worst part was it looked like he fumbled after the play was over

It sounded to me like he will give him another shot. They really dont have a choice.

 

[Concept Coop]

Well at least Da'Rel Scott officially lost NYG the game more than Wilson

No he didn't

Scott didnt catch a pass that directly lead to the game winning DAL TD. Wilson fumbled earlier in the game, when at that point things couldve changed. Yes, Scott's gaffe sealed the game more than Wilson's.

I doubt Coughlin looks at them equally though.

Eli threw the ball - it's not all on Scott.

Wilson fumbled twice, and got Eli sacked in the redzone.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I didn't totally buy in to this guy, but I did roster him on several teams cause I thought he was a good buy. I don't like overreacting to Week 1, but Wilson is fast. That's it. He is a fumbler and he sucks at pass blocking. You need more than speed to be a consistent-producing RB in today's NFL.

 

[ODannyBoy]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

What a disaster for Wilson. He'll get chances to atone, but have to wonder if he will mentally overcome this, especially knowing Coughlin is his coach.

The thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is that everything this offseason has been positive. And it's not like no RB has ever fumbled twice in a game before or missed a block.

This should be a situation where you shrug it off and say he's a young talented back who's just going through some growing pains.

But there's some kind of Coughlin vs. Wilson dynamic going on here. You just wonder why Coughlin thinks this is the way to handle Wilson. Did he not like the draft pick last year or something?

 

[Avery]

Well at least Da'Rel Scott officially lost NYG the game more than Wilson

No he didn't

Scott didnt catch a pass that directly lead to the game winning DAL TD. Wilson fumbled earlier in the game, when at that point things couldve changed. Yes, Scott's gaffe sealed the game more than Wilson's.

I doubt Coughlin looks at them equally though.

Expectations are different for Wilson vs. Scott as well.

 

[Avery]

I didn't totally buy in to this guy, but I did roster him on several teams cause I thought he was a good buy. I don't like overreacting to Week 1, but Wilson is fast. That's it. He is a fumbler and he sucks at pass blocking. You need more than speed to be a consistent-producing RB in today's NFL.

He's more than fast.

He's a good runner. He cuts well and finishes his runs strong.

In addition, he is a fumbler and he sucks at pass blocking...

 

[msudaisy26]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

What a disaster for Wilson. He'll get chances to atone, but have to wonder if he will mentally overcome this, especially knowing Coughlin is his coach.

The thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is that everything this offseason has been positive. And it's not like no RB has ever fumbled twice in a game before or missed a block.

This should be a situation where you shrug it off and say he's a young talented back who's just going through some growing pains.

But there's some kind of Coughlin vs. Wilson dynamic going on here. You just wonder why Coughlin thinks this is the way to handle Wilson. Did he not like the draft pick last year or something?

Your last statement is a good point, maybe some Giant fans can chime in.

 

[Concept Coop]

How can a player lose everything in just one game.

Unreal...

What a disaster for Wilson. He'll get chances to atone, but have to wonder if he will mentally overcome this, especially knowing Coughlin is his coach.

The thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is that everything this offseason has been positive. And it's not like no RB has ever fumbled twice in a game before or missed a block.

This should be a situation where you shrug it off and say he's a young talented back who's just going through some growing pains.

But there's some kind of Coughlin vs. Wilson dynamic going on here. You just wonder why Coughlin thinks this is the way to handle Wilson. Did he not like the draft pick last year or something?

It hasn't all been positive. Coughlin had issues with the pass protection in the pre-season, and Wilson did it again today.

Coughlin's job is to win games, and he feels better doing that with men he can trust. He doesn't trust Wilson, and I think we can all see why.