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Giants' O-line is getting blown up on run blocking their first 2 weeks. Doesn't really matter who the RB is when it's that bad.

 
Of course he's not going to look impressive if he gets a handful of carries and sits on the bench for most of the game.

The frustrating thing for Wilson owners is he didn't do anything wrong today really. None of the backs ran well so he wasn't alone there. Did he get Manning sacked? I don't know, if he did I missed it, but even if he did, is that a reason to bench him for the rest of the game? Plenty of assignments get blown by plenty of players. He wouldn't be alone there either. Coughlin demanding absolute perfection has to be counter-productive here. I feel bad for the kid.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.

 
I'm a little shocked at the lack of excitement for Scott in the FF community. I didn't expect to land him spending only 6$ FAAB and also getting him in the 2nd rd of waivers today. He is a legit concept as the Wilson alternative and as a NFL RB. His size and speed may even offer some upside. I expect TC to see what he can do. I also expect a quick hook if he doesn't do anything. If he performs, TC will ride him just like he did Andre Brown. Jacobs is not the answer, its not the late 2000s. Given this situation, Scott deserves a temporary look if he's healthy.
I'm a little shocked that anyone is buying Scott at all... he's a mediocre late round talent. He's fast and... that's it. That's all he offers. The Giants know exactly what they have in Scott he's been on the team for three full training camps, offseasons and 2 full seasons now. The Giants know what they have in him, he's nothing more than a 2nd-3rd string guy. Even if they sat Wilson and gave him the starting job I'd expect his upside to be like... James Starks aka fantasy irrelevant.
Your love for Wilson is a little uncomfortable at this point. You are a bit too emotional to take your advise or get into a reasonable debate with. Wilson has not been productive and opened the door for Scott to prove himself. We typically move when situations like this occur, even for bums. He is obviously the top RB pickup this week even if it amounts to nothing. I'm just shocked not even one gup made a gamble or any experts are recomending him. They ignored Andre Brown and then ran with him in a simular situation when Wilson flopped, so the "they know what they have" argument isn't a great one.
Okay, wait. Let me get this straight. My love for Wilson is uncomfortable and I'm too emotional to take advice from. This coming from the guy who just said the following:

- Da'Rel Scott is "THE TOP RB PICKUP THIS WEEK"... clearly, because Joique Bell isn't a thing, or CJ Anderson or you know... any RB with actual talent and probable opportunity. Clearly it's a guy with very very very limited upside even with opportunity because he lacks any real talent is the top pickup.

- Every single expert and even GUPPIES agreed with me that there is absolutely zero to see with Scott. Bloom has him right up there in the same league as LaGarrette Blount and Leon Washington who both possess more talent than Scott. Hell he has Andre Brown as more valuable of an add right now and he won't even be able to play until Week 11.

So, who is actually being emotional? The guy who is calling Scott the Top RB pickup after Week 1? Or the guy who is being realistic that Scott is a mediocre 7th round talent (and deserving of such) and offers very very limited upside even if David Wilson fumbles two more times this week?
Joique Bell was a play weeks ago. Congrats on being late with that...

What part of "I'm surprised" don't you get? I can give you a laundry list of bums Bloom(FF community in general) has promoted in similar situations as Scott. I thought there would be some kind of market going for a Wilson alternative. Fine with me. Scott has issues of his own, including fumbles with his small hands actually. But, for the same reason the Giants took a 7th round flyer on Scott and kept him around is the same reason I would look to gamble to see if he comes out of nowhere this week. He outplayed Wilson just days ago for crying out loud.
Joique Bell wasn't really a 'play weeks ago'... he was owned in 30% of all Yahoo leagues now he's owned in 70%. Just because he was well known around the FBG circles doesn't really mean he was a play weeks ago. Oh and for your information I happen to own Bell in most of my leagues. The point I was trying to make is he is the true #1 RB add this week he isn't owned in nearly enough leagues to not be considered the main pickup.

Saying Scott just outplayed Wilson is ridiculous... he didn't fumble. Michael Cox outplayed Wilson too and he didn't see a single offensive snap. The simple thing is every waiver $ you spent on Scott is a waste. He's fantasy irrelevant with or without Wilson success.
You want to do this for another week or nah?

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
Wilson 2.43 yds per carry

Jacobs .53

Scott .4
Yeah!!! He's better than the 3rd string guy! Is that about the sum of your argument?

If those other guys had 2 TDs, Wilson surely would have had a baker's dozen, no?
Scott had 32 yards in 7 touches....

 
Generally speaking, threads like this are frustrating because Wilson owners and Wilson non-owners dig their heals in and see everything through the filter of what they already want to believe.

 
Ok NOW it's time to trade for Wilson no doubt in my mind. He will no doubt see better days this year. But low guys.
I own him, and I can only hope that he can give Spiller a call and go the same route he did. Spiller looked god awful for the first year and 10 games of his career and then it clicked, maybe he was a slow learner and it just took time, people who liked Wilson can only hope for the same.

I also hate what Coughlin is doing to the kid, Coughlin says they need this kid to win game but even in garbage time he refuses to put the kid and let him pass protect during obvious passing downs to let him get any confidence. He then pulls the kid out like he was doing something wrong, but look at all the backs rushing stats on Sunday. Jacobs 7 rush for 4 yards, Wilson 7 rush for 17 yards and Scott 5 rush for 2 yards, yes he had a nice gain on the screen pass but it was during garbage time when the Broncos were allowing the underneath stuff.

It doesn't take a NFL head coach to see that Coughlin is talking out of his ###, and handling this wrong when he says one thing and does another. It isn't like they have a better option.

 
Generally speaking, threads like this are frustrating because Wilson owners and Wilson non-owners dig their heals in and see everything through the filter of what they already want to believe.
I came into this thread neutral to see if there's trade value here.

I missed the first 50 pages, but after the last 7 or 8, Thanks to his supporters, I am now actively rooting against him

 
Half of this thread is about a rookie getting bench ONE GAME for fumbling early. I don't understand this at all. If you watch the Tampa game(Wk 2) he was still being utilized EARLY in the game. The 1st possession Wilson lines up in a empty backfield and drops a easy pass for crying out loud. The second possesion he get 2 carries for 5 yards. Andre Brown was the primary back on the first TD drive that went close to 80 yards. "Don't quote me on this," but he ran for at least half of those 80 yards. Wilson's first two games he had 5 carries for 10 yards and two drops! That's why Wilson was benched! It had little to do with just ONE fumble. Brown was more effective as the Bradshaw replacement. Then Brown goes and looks like the greatest RB ever vs Car the next week. Vs the Eagles Wilson was still dropping passes. I know it drives you guys crazy, but it's true. I like Wilson as a prospect. I think there is a chance he reaches an elite status in the NFL. Right now the hype is not warrented. He was awful as a rookie, outside of 1-3 runs in blowouts that skews his ypc to an "elite" status on a small sample size. Andre Brown was better then him. That's not hard to say.
Whatever you do ... Do Not! I repeat Do Not!!! Look at these links. I will only make it hurt that much more.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM
If just spent time to say what happened in a actual game I watch. why would I go watch a highlight clip after that? That's the problem, you're watching highlights.
I'll try to be nice to you when bumping this thread all season. I'm not sure others will be as kind. Remember, you reap what you sew...
Bump

 
Things in Wilson's favor:

Scott and Jacobs looked terrible

Wilson showed brief flashes of why he could be a great weapon.

He didn't fumble.

Giants are 0-2

 
Generally speaking, threads like this are frustrating because Wilson owners and Wilson non-owners dig their heals in and see everything through the filter of what they already want to believe.
I came into this thread neutral to see if there's trade value here.

I missed the first 50 pages, but after the last 7 or 8, Thanks to his supporters, I am now actively rooting against him
That's an odd reason to root against someone, but have at it.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
Who cares if you think he's electric. How can you argue with production? He not as good of a RB as advertised.
If you don't care what I think, I have no idea why you are responding to a post I made.

Furthermore, I think it is absolutely ridiculous based on the split of Giants RB workload and the flow of the game to try to evaluate Wilson as a RB based on this.
It was for your sake, not mine. Electricity means nothing compared to production.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
Who cares if you think he's electric. How can you argue with production? He not as good of a RB as advertised.
If you don't care what I think, I have no idea why you are responding to a post I made.

Furthermore, I think it is absolutely ridiculous based on the split of Giants RB workload and the flow of the game to try to evaluate Wilson as a RB based on this.
It was for your sake, not mine. Electricity means nothing compared to production.
For my sake? Thanks for trying to help me out.

I am well aware that production matters, but try this formula out:

Playing time + offensive line play + skills = RB production

 
Scott had 32 yards in 7 touches....
Posts like this are just silly.

Ellington was the top WR in Arizona today. Does that prove that he is their best WR? Forgetting Fitz, would you trade Floyd for him straight up?
No, but it proves that he can be an asset in the passing game...

Maybe he can be a 2013 version of 2012 Joique Bell or Marcel Reese....some potential value..thanks for pointing it out

 
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I'm back from the game as as frustrating as it is from a fans perspective watching a team turn the ball over 9 times in 2 games is enough to pull my hair out....it is clear to me today that Coughlin has no confidence in this kid. Denver is a quick defense and Jacobs is big and slow. He joined the team on Tues and he played a lot today, more than anyone could have expected. Scott was in there for what seemed like the entire 2nd half. Wilson showed tremendous signs today that he was ready to break one.

Al I can say is TC is burying the kid and bringing him alone slowly, and in the process losing DWill. There isn't anyone who can say Scott or Jacobs is better.

As a Wilson owner I am very concerned.

 
I'm back from the game as as frustrating as it is from a fans perspective watching a team turn the ball over 9 times in 2 games is enough to pull my hair out....it is clear to me today that Coughlin has no confidence in this kid. Denver is a quick defense and Jacobs is big and slow. He joined the team on Tues and he played a lot today, more than anyone could have expected. Scott was in there for what seemed like the entire 2nd half. Wilson showed tremendous signs today that he was ready to break one.

Al I can say is TC is burying the kid and bringing him alone slowly, and in the process losing DWill. There isn't anyone who can say Scott or Jacobs is better.

As a Wilson owner I am very concerned.
As a Wilson owner and a Giants' fan, I'm frustrated. Coughlin would rather lose games to make a point.

Only time NJ will have the Super Bowl, and neither team will be in it. Sad.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
Wilson 2.43 yds per carry

Jacobs .53

Scott .4
Yeah!!! He's better than the 3rd string guy! Is that about the sum of your argument?

If those other guys had 2 TDs, Wilson surely would have had a baker's dozen, no?
Scott had 32 yards in 7 touches....
Yeah if you count the garbage TD

Wilson had 358 yds on 71 carries and averged 5,0 yds per carry and 5 tds his rookie season ... Scott doesnt have anywhere near that now in his 3rd season ... In other words Scott is a non issue

 
Wilson was a two-down back and Jacobs rotated in on some series.

Jacobs was the goal-line back and he rotated in on some series.

Scott was the 3rd down (passing down) back so he was in the majority of the second half after they were down.

There will be better days for Wilson, but if he isn't getting goal line or 3rd down work, he will be mostly useless for fantasy purposes. Unless Coughlin increases his role, he will be on my bench.

 
I could understand benching Wilson today if he fumbled, but he didn't. So what exactly is he trying to prove now?
He didn't bench him. They fell behind and went into hurry up mode, and Wilson can't be trusted in that situation. He's not the 3rd down/passing back.

If the game were closer, Wilson would have seen the ball more. Again, he wasn't benched.

 
Of course he's not going to look impressive if he gets a handful of carries and sits on the bench for most of the game.

The frustrating thing for Wilson owners is he didn't do anything wrong today really. None of the backs ran well so he wasn't alone there. Did he get Manning sacked? I don't know, if he did I missed it, but even if he did, is that a reason to bench him for the rest of the game? Plenty of assignments get blown by plenty of players. He wouldn't be alone there either. Coughlin demanding absolute perfection has to be counter-productive here. I feel bad for the kid.
yea the giants are idiots they deserve to lose... They never let wilson get into the flow of the game... Jacobs and Scott were in there more then Wilson... he looked good on the drive he got in in the third quarter but I have no idea what Giants were trying to do.... Real winners I tell ya...

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.

 
I'm afraid this has turned into a guessing game. If the game is close then Wilson gets more playing time. If the giants are in catchup mode then he's on the bench.

Unfortunately NYG with Eli is a Jekyll and Hide team so good luck guessing.

 
I could understand benching Wilson today if he fumbled, but he didn't. So what exactly is he trying to prove now?
He's proving he doesn't trust him and he has more work to do.
It is more important for Coughlin to be Boss than to win.
This has been my fear of this situation all along. TC is the boss and you will do things his way or not play.
No doubt. Coughlin made that clear today. As the boss man he bears ultimate responsibility for wins and losses. It is hard to win ball games with your talent on the bench. May as well bench Eli with all his turnovers.
 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
Did you watch his pass protection today?

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
They aren't going to let their franchise QB get killed in order to let Wilson "practice" blocking.

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
I honestly have no idea how best to handle this situation. I can only assume that the GMen don't want to put Eli's health in Wilson's hands right now.

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
They aren't going to let their franchise QB get killed in order to let Wilson "practice" blocking.
Why would you leave your franchise quarterback in there, down 3 scores with 5 minutes left? He could get killed anyways

 
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I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
They aren't going to let their franchise QB get killed in order to let Wilson "practice" blocking.
Why would you leave your franchise quarterback in there, down 3 scores with 5 minutes left?
to try and win the game - it's been done before.

 

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