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I don't think it's correct to say Wilson "can't block". He can improve but he's ok most of the time, just like a lot of backs in the league.

But even if it's true that he's the worst pass protector in the history of the NFL, like another poster said, why don't they give him some screens etc and early down work over Jacobs? He was just getting into the game in the second quarter and wasn't seen again.

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
They aren't going to let their franchise QB get killed in order to let Wilson "practice" blocking.
Why would you leave your franchise quarterback in there, down 3 scores with 5 minutes left?
to try and win the game - it's been done before.
Their odds were under 1 percent, I am sure the odds of getting Eli injured were higher

 
I have no idea why they don't try and get him in space more. That's where he's going to be dangerous. Not running between the tackles with no holes there to hit.

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
It could cost them their qb though. He's not going to risk that. He's going to have to continue to watch film, get limited chances and when he gets them he MUST get it right. If he doesn't he'll be stuck in this purgutory indefinitely.

 
He made ok blocks today thought he did pretty well in blocking. Yes I agree the Giants have no clue how to use this guy. Where are the screens, dumpoffs, checkdowns plays in space, Iformation with a fullback, total stupidity by the boss Cough Lin, what an idiot I hope they lose every game from here on out if there are gonna be like that....

 
Did you watch his pass protection today?
Yes. I watched the entire game.
What was your perspective on his pass protection today? Specific examples would be helpful.
Honestly, from watching the game today I actually thought he looked pretty good in pass protection. Every play I saw he stepped up and took the hit. He was no Bradshaw, but the difference between last week and this week was night and day. There was one play in particular where the pass rusher clearly assumed Wilson would go for his legs and took to the air to jump over him. But Wilson didn't, he stood tall and flipped the guy over on his ###. There was a few others where just did exactly what you ask of him, he just ran up and hit the guy and knocked him off the rush long enough for Eli to get the pass off and not take the hit.

I'm actually very confused as to why he saw such little amount of touches and playing time in the 2nd half. I'm interested in hearing Coughlin's post-game quotes and mid-week quotes on the subject. Last week, Wilson had two fumbles it was obvious. This week though, he had a few very good rushes (even though the stat-line didn't show it, if you watched the game you know what I mean) and he seemed solid in pass prot. So I'm sure the press is going to ask him about that and I'm interested in his answers. It's 'possible' that going into the game they put him on a snap count? That's my best guess is maybe they went in saying "He'll start the game and get 30 snaps unless he does something truly special".

In the end, I left the game mad at the Giants on the whole. It seemed like the more or less abandoned the run after their second drive. It was a 10-9 game at half and I think they had like 9 rushes at the half? How is that justified? This is a team that used to love to ground and pound. It seemed like they came into the game thinking "We're going to have to throw a lot to keep pace with Peyton". And when the defense was playing good they didn't adjust to the pace of the game. They may actually win this game if they ran the ball some and kept the ball out of Peyton's hands more. Either way, abandoning the run that easily and that early was obnoxious and as a fan aggravated the crap out of me.

 
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yea I hear ya KHY everyone wants to put blame on Dwilson for week 1 and justified but week 2 was sh#t gameplan, bad coaching and She Li being a turnover machine... Dwilson was really the only lone bright spot for the Runningbacks and is clearly better then Bjacobs or scott, good god.

 
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 2m

David Wilson: "We've just got to get back and have chemistry w/our O-line. The RBs are working hard, so eventually we'll get on track."

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 1h

Coughlin says lack of rushing attempts is "just not our style."

Nothing much to see in these quotes (yet)

 
Did Wilson have a fumble that wasn't lost to the Broncos? MFL was showing a 0 score for fumbles lost to an opponent, but it usually only does that when a fumble occurs but is recovered by the same team.

BTW, that was one of the better 2 yard runs I've seen. Dude ran 50 yards and made how many people miss?

 
Jacobs sucks, he had 7 carries for 4 yards and for some reason the giants think scott and jacobs are better runners inside the 10 which is probably a fallacy, as I believe Dwilson can be an everydown back in the mold of a lesean mccoy, but obviously the giants think otherwise. This was a truly pathetic, gameplan by tc and a crap game by She li with his 4 picks... I think he should be benched..

 
Yeah Jacobs punches it in from inside the 1 yard line after he and Scott had combined to be stuffed about 3 times before that. If you have enough carries, you're eventually going to get in there if you're as big as Jacobs. No reason on earth that Scott should be getting GL opportunities ahead of Wilson.

 
Generally speaking, threads like this are frustrating because Wilson owners and Wilson non-owners dig their heals in and see everything through the filter of what they already want to believe.
Not a Wilson owner and I think Coughlin is a moron in this situation. Brandon Jacobs playing right off the street? :X I don't see many saying Wilson is awesome, just that he's better than what they currently have. He's had very little opportunity as a first round pick from last year with only turds on the roster around him who are definitely no better. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.

 
Yeah Jacobs punches it in from inside the 1 yard line after he and Scott had combined to be stuffed about 3 times before that. If you have enough carries, you're eventually going to get in there if you're as big as Jacobs. No reason on earth that Scott should be getting GL opportunities ahead of Wilson.
I can think of a couple of reasons why DWilson wouldn't get GL carries. ...not that I disagree with the theme of your post, but RBs that fumble get pulled; and DWilson not getting GL carries was a reasonable move this week; whether his replacements were successful or not...at least they didn't fumble.

That being said, those that want to blame either WIlson *or* Coughlin are the ones who are clueless imho.

The Denver game proved that Coughlin is close-to-equally responsible for the Wilson mess as Wilson is. Wilson's technique for carrying the football today, which was drilled into him this week by coaches from the top-down, was clownish at best and exposed the silliness of the entire situation. All Coughlin proved with that was that his team will follow him like General Custer. Not that the o-line isn't contributing to this mess too, but Coughlin is not helping. Congrats Tom. Now you have no running game, but you are definitely the boss.

 
Yeah Jacobs punches it in from inside the 1 yard line after he and Scott had combined to be stuffed about 3 times before that. If you have enough carries, you're eventually going to get in there if you're as big as Jacobs. No reason on earth that Scott should be getting GL opportunities ahead of Wilson.
I can think of a couple of reasons why DWilson wouldn't get GL carries. ...not that I disagree with the theme of your post, but RBs that fumble get pulled; and DWilson not getting GL carries was a reasonable move this week; whether his replacements were successful or not...at least they didn't fumble.

That being said, those that want to blame either WIlson *or* Coughlin are the ones who are clueless imho.

The Denver game proved that Coughlin is close-to-equally responsible for the Wilson mess as Wilson is. Wilson's technique for carrying the football today, which was drilled into him this week by coaches from the top-down, was clownish at best and exposed the silliness of the entire situation. All Coughlin proved with that was that his team will follow him like General Custer. Not that the o-line isn't contributing to this mess too, but Coughlin is not helping. Congrats Tom. Now you have no running game, but you are definitely the boss.
Yeah, I can only imagine that emphasising it to that extent just compounds the issue and makes things worse. Right now, Wilson can't relax and just play football or play instinctively because he's just thinking about not fumbling. That was evident on the first couple of carries and with the way he was holding the ball totally taking away from his natural running style. The disappointing thing was that he started to get into a bit of rhythm in the second quarter and was never seen again. Now if that's because he truly can't pass protect and they were in catch up mode and needed Scott in there, then fine. But surely on early downs if you're trying to score some points, it would be better trying to get Wilson in space than have Jacobs running for 1 yard a carry. And if the problem is more pass protection than fumbling, then you would think he would still get GL carries over Scott.

 
I'm back from the game as as frustrating as it is from a fans perspective watching a team turn the ball over 9 times in 2 games is enough to pull my hair out....it is clear to me today that Coughlin has no confidence in this kid. Denver is a quick defense and Jacobs is big and slow. He joined the team on Tues and he played a lot today, more than anyone could have expected. Scott was in there for what seemed like the entire 2nd half. Wilson showed tremendous signs today that he was ready to break one.

Al I can say is TC is burying the kid and bringing him alone slowly, and in the process losing DWill. There isn't anyone who can say Scott or Jacobs is better.

As a Wilson owner I am very concerned.
You own the most talented back on the roster. The production is going to come eventually. Sometimes it just takes time. At some point Coughlin will start to feel the pressure because losses always come home to roost for the HC eventually. And so what other options does he really have to "change things up" when everyone's looking at him and asking him what he's going to do to turn things around? Bench Eli? Bench Cruz or Nicks? Start mixing up the o-line? Start using Wilson more?

When you pretend that you can't trust Wilson because his inconsistency will lead to losses and you lose anyway when you aren't using him, that starts making you look like a fool.

Would be fun to see him explode if some smartass sportswriter would ask him if he's going to bench Eli for his turnovers, or whether that's just a RB policy.

New York is a tough market and it won't take the whole season for the heat to come. What I fear though is that Coughlin is a stubborn SOB and I'd hate to see the "play Wilson" issue be the hill he decides to die upon in terms of control of the team.

 
Yeah Jacobs punches it in from inside the 1 yard line after he and Scott had combined to be stuffed about 3 times before that. If you have enough carries, you're eventually going to get in there if you're as big as Jacobs. No reason on earth that Scott should be getting GL opportunities ahead of Wilson.
I can think of a couple of reasons why DWilson wouldn't get GL carries. ...not that I disagree with the theme of your post, but RBs that fumble get pulled; and DWilson not getting GL carries was a reasonable move this week; whether his replacements were successful or not...at least they didn't fumble.

That being said, those that want to blame either WIlson *or* Coughlin are the ones who are clueless imho.

The Denver game proved that Coughlin is close-to-equally responsible for the Wilson mess as Wilson is. Wilson's technique for carrying the football today, which was drilled into him this week by coaches from the top-down, was clownish at best and exposed the silliness of the entire situation. All Coughlin proved with that was that his team will follow him like General Custer. Not that the o-line isn't contributing to this mess too, but Coughlin is not helping. Congrats Tom. Now you have no running game, but you are definitely the boss.
Best post if the thread. There is no scenario where the 0-2 Giants make it to the playoffs without trusting Wilson to breakout. No one wants Tom to roll with Jacobs.
 
This is is funnier than the Ingram thread. Wilson is more talented than Ingram but the Wilson nut-huggers are exponentially more disillusioned.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.
Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes are calling.

He was supposed to pick up the blitz on the sack. He picked up the wrong player. Eli was thrown around like a rag doll.

It was his presence on the field that led to the sack.

I have acknowledged he had 1 nice two-yard run. He went east-west, instead of north-south, but it was pretty to watch him scamper along the line of scrimmage. Did I miss any others?

Coughlin did not play him because he did not think he was the best back for any given situation. Its not just about the fumbling - that is being used by the Wilsonites as an excuse, but if Coughlin was really worried about fumbling, he would not have had Wilson returning kicks.

Right now it appears that Wilson is a speed merchant, who is not ready to be a bell cow RB for an NFL team. There is no shame in that, but neither is it a reason to keep pining for the love of your life, and whining like a spoiled parent when their kid does not get enough playing time. When he earns the playing-time, in practice and in games, Coughlin will use him. Right now he simply is not good enough to be an every down back. But, how many every down backs are in the NFL? A small handful?

 
I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
This can't be serious logical thinking can it? He can't pas block so let him learn in a game setting? So that he can get his $100mm sb winning qb and heart and soul of the team clobbered and taken out of the stadium on a stretcher? Lol

 
Half of this thread is about a rookie getting bench ONE GAME for fumbling early. I don't understand this at all. If you watch the Tampa game(Wk 2) he was still being utilized EARLY in the game. The 1st possession Wilson lines up in a empty backfield and drops a easy pass for crying out loud. The second possesion he get 2 carries for 5 yards. Andre Brown was the primary back on the first TD drive that went close to 80 yards. "Don't quote me on this," but he ran for at least half of those 80 yards. Wilson's first two games he had 5 carries for 10 yards and two drops! That's why Wilson was benched! It had little to do with just ONE fumble. Brown was more effective as the Bradshaw replacement. Then Brown goes and looks like the greatest RB ever vs Car the next week. Vs the Eagles Wilson was still dropping passes. I know it drives you guys crazy, but it's true. I like Wilson as a prospect. I think there is a chance he reaches an elite status in the NFL. Right now the hype is not warrented. He was awful as a rookie, outside of 1-3 runs in blowouts that skews his ypc to an "elite" status on a small sample size. Andre Brown was better then him. That's not hard to say.
Whatever you do ... Do Not! I repeat Do Not!!! Look at these links. I will only make it hurt that much more.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uviR8HjLDxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM
If just spent time to say what happened in a actual game I watch. why would I go watch a highlight clip after that? That's the problem, you're watching highlights.
I'll try to be nice to you when bumping this thread all season. I'm not sure others will be as kind. Remember, you reap what you sew...
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I deserve that. I benched the guy this week for Bradshaw. Probably would've won either way.

That being said, it's still early. At least I keep telling myself that!

 
Generally speaking, threads like this are frustrating because Wilson owners and Wilson non-owners dig their heals in and see everything through the filter of what they already want to believe.
Not a Wilson owner and I think Coughlin is a moron in this situation. Brandon Jacobs playing right off the street? :X I don't see many saying Wilson is awesome, just that he's better than what they currently have. He's had very little opportunity as a first round pick from last year with only turds on the roster around him who are definitely no better. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.
me either except tc is a red faced moron, period, point blank total morons and gameplan sucks.. Coaching like this should be banned.. Isn't this why the whole buffalo bills coaching staff had to be replaced.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.
Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes are calling.

He was supposed to pick up the blitz on the sack. He picked up the wrong player. Eli was thrown around like a rag doll.

It was his presence on the field that led to the sack.

I have acknowledged he had 1 nice two-yard run. He went east-west, instead of north-south, but it was pretty to watch him scamper along the line of scrimmage. Did I miss any others?

Coughlin did not play him because he did not think he was the best back for any given situation. Its not just about the fumbling - that is being used by the Wilsonites as an excuse, but if Coughlin was really worried about fumbling, he would not have had Wilson returning kicks.

Right now it appears that Wilson is a speed merchant, who is not ready to be a bell cow RB for an NFL team. There is no shame in that, but neither is it a reason to keep pining for the love of your life, and whining like a spoiled parent when their kid does not get enough playing time. When he earns the playing-time, in practice and in games, Coughlin will use him. Right now he simply is not good enough to be an every down back. But, how many every down backs are in the NFL? A small handful?
Agree with many of your Wilson criticisms. Now, after watching the game today, what % of the problem is Coughlin's responsibility in your opinion (hint: if it's less than 33% you're wrong :D )

 
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Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.
Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes are calling.

He was supposed to pick up the blitz on the sack. He picked up the wrong player. Eli was thrown around like a rag doll.

It was his presence on the field that led to the sack.

I have acknowledged he had 1 nice two-yard run. He went east-west, instead of north-south, but it was pretty to watch him scamper along the line of scrimmage. Did I miss any others?

Coughlin did not play him because he did not think he was the best back for any given situation. Its not just about the fumbling - that is being used by the Wilsonites as an excuse, but if Coughlin was really worried about fumbling, he would not have had Wilson returning kicks.

Right now it appears that Wilson is a speed merchant, who is not ready to be a bell cow RB for an NFL team. There is no shame in that, but neither is it a reason to keep pining for the love of your life, and whining like a spoiled parent when their kid does not get enough playing time. When he earns the playing-time, in practice and in games, Coughlin will use him. Right now he simply is not good enough to be an every down back. But, how many every down backs are in the NFL? A small handful?
It's not that he isn't an every down back, it's that he's not really an any down back at the moment.

As for the bolded part, you would think this is the case, but this situation is so ridiculous right now that I don't think we can be confident those statements are true.

 
I think today was more that the line wasn't getting a push so they used Jacobs to run. Jacobs was able to get a couple yards by pushing the defender back. Scott was used when the team abandoned the run because he's bigger and probably a little better of a blocker due to his size.

I think it's more on the poor run blocking that they went away from Wilson. It's like last year, the Giants couldn't run the ball at will. The descent YPC from last season are deceptive because it's not like the Giants were able to control the clock and grind out yardage on the ground. When defenses knew the Giants were going to run, they usually stopped it for little to no gain. The Giants had to resort to draws and plays like that to trick the defense so they could run effectively.

It's an O-line that is better at pass protection and they lose if they try to out muscle a defense.

 
Anyone ready to eat crow?

I feel bad for anyone who used a high draft pick on this guy, definitely not helping your team, lol.

 
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I don't understand why Wilson can't get some dumpoff/screens or slants he is a far better and more electric player then jacobs or scott that's pretty pathetic, The giants are total idiots and should be shot for how they managed the game, they just want to lose games, total morons.
Because he can't block. I don't understand why it is easier for some to believe Coughlin is a bad coach, or willing to lose to prove a point - rather than accept that Wilson needs to improve in pass protection.
I agree with you that he can't block, but what better way to learn to block then in a game. Especially a game you aren't going to win so if he messes up he can learn and it won't cost them a win
This can't be serious logical thinking can it? He can't pas block so let him learn in a game setting? So that he can get his $100mm sb winning qb and heart and soul of the team clobbered and taken out of the stadium on a stretcher? Lol
I am glad you choose to stop reading the thread after that post

 
Full pressers are up on giants.com; not much there from what I watched. Wilson has a 3-4 min spot
TC just keeps complaining about the ineffectiveness of the run game.....yet he doesn't want to play their best RB. So yeah.

He said the three RBs had their roles going in basically - Scott for 3rd downs, Jacobs for short yardage, and Wilson "had his special plays". LOL.

 
Full pressers are up on giants.com; not much there from what I watched. Wilson has a 3-4 min spot
TC just keeps complaining about the ineffectiveness of the run game.....yet he doesn't want to play their best RB. So yeah.

He said the three RBs had their roles going in basically - Scott for 3rd downs, Jacobs for short yardage, and Wilson "had his special plays". LOL.
So according to that him, he still needs a first and second down back. So, he should give Wilson a chance to do that or sign another back that can

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.
Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes are calling.

He was supposed to pick up the blitz on the sack. He picked up the wrong player. Eli was thrown around like a rag doll.

It was his presence on the field that led to the sack.

I have acknowledged he had 1 nice two-yard run. He went east-west, instead of north-south, but it was pretty to watch him scamper along the line of scrimmage. Did I miss any others?

Coughlin did not play him because he did not think he was the best back for any given situation. Its not just about the fumbling - that is being used by the Wilsonites as an excuse, but if Coughlin was really worried about fumbling, he would not have had Wilson returning kicks.

Right now it appears that Wilson is a speed merchant, who is not ready to be a bell cow RB for an NFL team. There is no shame in that, but neither is it a reason to keep pining for the love of your life, and whining like a spoiled parent when their kid does not get enough playing time. When he earns the playing-time, in practice and in games, Coughlin will use him. Right now he simply is not good enough to be an every down back. But, how many every down backs are in the NFL? A small handful?
So you decided you better go back and actually watch it, huh. But that is much better analysis this time around.

As for the speed merchant classification, if that's all you have to say about him, well, that actually says more about your eye than it does Wilson.

But it's nice to know you are already trying to hedge your bet a bit.

 
Avery said:
cstu said:
Avery said:
All the people who say he is just a speed guy clearly haven't watched him run the ball.
True, he doesn't look like a speed guy either.
It's always tough to read "intent" on the Internet but I'm not sure if your being quippy, obtuse or if you genuinely think Wilson has no skills as a RB. :unsure: In the limits chances he had, he looked solid in pass protection and looked dynamic as a runner.
Today? 7 carries for 17 is "dynamic" now? Or are you just so excited about his two yard gain, that you think he can run north-south, as well as he can run east-west?
I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about watching him run and watching him play.

He runs strong and is electric as a ball carrier. If you have watched him and aren't just checking in on the stats, we are having such a disconnect on talent evaluation, I don't see how any discussion is worthwhile.

People tend to get so locked in their position of loving or hating a player they often can't take information and revise their position.

I get that his fumbling issues and blocking issues may relegate him to a lesser roll but I honestly don't understand how anyone can watch him run and not see the innate skillet and running talent there.
:shrug: I've seen the whole game. He was in when Eli was sacked, he had one good 2-yard run, where he went sideline to sideline. What do you want to point to as his highlights for the game?
You are holding it against him that he was in the game when Eli was sacked?

I think he was on the sidelines for both of Eli's picks. Perhaps those were somehow his fault as well.
No kidding. Solid pass pro analysis in that post by Sinn Fein.

You can kinda tell how bold the haters are getting in that they don't even try to offer analysis. At this point they point to ypc without any consideration of the context and fault his mere presence on the field for a sack.

Will be curious to see if they apply the same measuring stick to all RB's or selectively use those arguments because it suits their preconceived notions concerning Wilson. It's always nice to come into the SharkPool and see such thoughtful discussion.
Oh, Danny Boy, the pipes are calling.

He was supposed to pick up the blitz on the sack. He picked up the wrong player. Eli was thrown around like a rag doll.

It was his presence on the field that led to the sack.

I have acknowledged he had 1 nice two-yard run. He went east-west, instead of north-south, but it was pretty to watch him scamper along the line of scrimmage. Did I miss any others?

Coughlin did not play him because he did not think he was the best back for any given situation. Its not just about the fumbling - that is being used by the Wilsonites as an excuse, but if Coughlin was really worried about fumbling, he would not have had Wilson returning kicks.

Right now it appears that Wilson is a speed merchant, who is not ready to be a bell cow RB for an NFL team. There is no shame in that, but neither is it a reason to keep pining for the love of your life, and whining like a spoiled parent when their kid does not get enough playing time. When he earns the playing-time, in practice and in games, Coughlin will use him. Right now he simply is not good enough to be an every down back. But, how many every down backs are in the NFL? A small handful?
Agree with many of your Wilson criticisms. Now, after watching the game today, what % of the problem is Coughlin's responsibility in your opinion (hint: if it's less than 33% you're wrong :D )
None of it. Because he thinks Coughlin is right. If Coughlin thinks Wilson isn't ready, then that means Wilson in fact isn't ready. When Coughlin trusts him, then that will mean Wilson is in fact ready. Because Coughlin knows what he's doing.

Of course, Coughlin was intending to roll with Wilson in week 1, and thus must have thought he was ready at that point. So I'm not sure which Coughlin is the one we should trust. The one who thought Wilson was ready prior to week 1 or the one who IMHO over-reacted to week 1. Too bad they are the same guy.

 
Wow. You Wilson people are in deep. It's like Jonestown up in this piece. Maybe the admins should rename this thread WIlsontown.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Started him again this week, two week total still in the negatives. Disheartening to see Jacobs come off the street and get more carries but again I saw Wilson whiff a couple times on protection, it's not looking good from here on out but would be dumb to sell right now, his value can only get lower with a season ending injury.

 
not sure why coughlin cannot see the elite talent that this thread sees

ceiling on this kid is like 2500 yards

his yards per carry was 4 times that of brandon jacobs

pretty sure we are looking at the next barry sanders

 
Full pressers are up on giants.com; not much there from what I watched. Wilson has a 3-4 min spot
TC just keeps complaining about the ineffectiveness of the run game.....yet he doesn't want to play their best RB. So yeah.

He said the three RBs had their roles going in basically - Scott for 3rd downs, Jacobs for short yardage, and Wilson "had his special plays". LOL.
coughlin is a special case.

 
Wow. You Wilson people are in deep. It's like Jonestown up in this piece. Maybe the admins should rename this thread WIlsontown.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Started him again this week, two week total still in the negatives. Disheartening to see Jacobs come off the street and get more carries but again I saw Wilson whiff a couple times on protection, it's not looking good from here on out but would be dumb to sell right now, his value can only get lower with a season ending injury.
Technically speaking, zero points would be an improvement on where he stands YTD.

 
who has the cajones to roll with him next week?
I may be forced to... it's either him or ineffectice Roddy white, which is a whole nother case. They keep saying White is hurt but he is doin chest bumps with ####### julio everytime he scores. If he is to hurt to play sit the clown.

 

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