***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[Rove!]

Wow. You Wilson people are in deep. It's like Jonestown up in this piece. Maybe the admins should rename this thread WIlsontown.

Started him again this week, two week total still in the negatives. Disheartening to see Jacobs come off the street and get more carries but again I saw Wilson whiff a couple times on protection, it's not looking good from here on out but would be dumb to sell right now, his value can only get lower with a season ending injury.

Technically speaking, zero points would be an improvement on where he stands YTD.

Not to mention freeing a roster spot and a space in your weekly lineup for a guy who actually plays

 

[B-Deep]

there's no way i'd get rid of wilson now, he may work his way back into Coughlin's good graces.

the concept that he is an elite RB so coughlin should overlook his ball security and protection issues to play him is what I find ridiculous

 

[GroveDiesel]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

 

[Rick James]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

 

[B-Deep]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

benchable yes

dropable i am not so sure

the opportunity could return

 

[Rick James]

Oh I don't think he's dropable. Jacobs could run over Coughlin's dog and Scott could rob a bank some time in the next month. Then Wilson might get 12 carries.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

OK, Wilson nerds. Wilson is doing poorly so far. Whose fault is it?

A) Coughlin

B) The OL

C) The new Pope

D) Obama

E) Abraham Lincoln

F) Other

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

when does the jacobs train start rollin'?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

who has the cajones to roll with him next week?

I may be forced to... it's either him or ineffectice Roddy white, which is a whole nother case. They keep saying White is hurt but he is doin chest bumps with ####### julio everytime he scores. If he is to hurt to play sit the clown.

leaving te spot empty would've beat wilson last week

just sayin'

 

[Insein]

What can you do? The moment you trade him he's going to go off. You just know it. Have to hold tight, hope he has a good game and then trade him.

 

[T with T]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

 

[Rove!]

Wils-insanity!

 

[B-Deep]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

 

[T with T]

OK, Wilson nerds. Wilson is doing poorly so far. Whose fault is it?

A) Coughlin

B) The OL

C) The new Pope

D) Obama

E) Abraham Lincoln

F) Other

a,b

 

[ShaHBucks]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

 

[Avery]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

There was much concern from the Giants fans in the know going into the year and in fact it is worse than even the naysayers feared. They are terrible at run blocking and merely bad at pass blocking.

 

[lod01]

Anyone watch the way he is running? No way he is going to do anything carrying the football like he is. He's running as if every carry is a 4th and inches. Both arms wrapped around the ball. He's not going to fumble but he's worthelss as a NFL player carrying it like that. Let alone a fantasy RB.

 

[T with T]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

I know, it's amazing that this team won 2 superbowls with shelie and Cough LIn. That almost makes me question the validity of the NFL. That's just bad football right there and they look like the worst team in the league....

 

[JuniorNB]

He's benchable, but certainly not droppable. Still, by far, the best back the Giants have. If they have any chance of getting out of their 0-2 hole, they need to restore Wilson's confidence and get him on the field. Coughlin and the Giant's brass know that too.

Yesterday, especially early on, he was holding the ball so tight that he looked comical. He was going through the holes like a kid playing his first Pop Warner game. On his later carries, he relaxed a bit and showed he is twice as elusive and explosive as Jacobs and Scott. Be patient. It's a big hole he's dug himself. He's not climbing out of it all at once.

 

[B-Deep]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

I know, it's amazing that this team won 2 superbowls with shelie and Cough LIn. That almost makes me question the validity of the NFL. That's just bad football right there and they look like the worst team in the league....

woulda prolly won 4 with Barry Switzer or Wayne Fontes in there

 

[T with T]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

 

[T with T]

Anyone watch the way he is running? No way he is going to do anything carrying the football like he is. He's running as if every carry is a 4th and inches. Both arms wrapped around the ball. He's not going to fumble but he's worthelss as a NFL player carrying it like that. Let alone a fantasy RB.

he is probably so worried that if he fumbles another one he may be washing dishes.......

 

[B-Deep]

He's benchable, but certainly not droppable. Still, by far, the best back the Giants have. If they have any chance of getting out of their 0-2 hole, they need to restore Wilson's confidence and get him on the field. Coughlin and the Giant's brass know that too.

Yesterday, especially early on, he was holding the ball so tight that he looked comical. He was going through the holes like a kid playing his first Pop Warner game. On his later carries, he relaxed a bit and showed he is twice as elusive and explosive as Jacobs and Scott. Be patient. It's a big hole he's dug himself. He's not climbing out of it all at once.

the giants hole is not all that big, this division seems to be packed with teams that seem to have some promise but are failing miserably

i think the only reason any teams here have any wins was they all played each other week 1

 

[lod01]

Anyone watch the way he is running? No way he is going to do anything carrying the football like he is. He's running as if every carry is a 4th and inches. Both arms wrapped around the ball. He's not going to fumble but he's worthelss as a NFL player carrying it like that. Let alone a fantasy RB.

he is probably so worried that if he fumbles another one he may be washing dishes.......

He is for sure. You can't run in the NFL like that and be productive.

 

[T with T]

He's benchable, but certainly not droppable. Still, by far, the best back the Giants have. If they have any chance of getting out of their 0-2 hole, they need to restore Wilson's confidence and get him on the field. Coughlin and the Giant's brass know that too.

Yesterday, especially early on, he was holding the ball so tight that he looked comical. He was going through the holes like a kid playing his first Pop Warner game. On his later carries, he relaxed a bit and showed he is twice as elusive and explosive as Jacobs and Scott. Be patient. It's a big hole he's dug himself. He's not climbing out of it all at once.

I hope your right Junior... I agree

 

[B-Deep]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

 

[T with T]

Anyone watch the way he is running? No way he is going to do anything carrying the football like he is. He's running as if every carry is a 4th and inches. Both arms wrapped around the ball. He's not going to fumble but he's worthelss as a NFL player carrying it like that. Let alone a fantasy RB.

he is probably so worried that if he fumbles another one he may be washing dishes.......

He is for sure. You can't run in the NFL like that and be productive.

agreed I thought it was funny to how he cradled it like a baby LOL geez. Tc is a loser just totally killed the young man's (22) confidence.... He def wasn't himself and even a couple of the defenders on the broncos were talking smack there and I seen him just smile LOL.... WOW

 

[JuniorNB]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

I'm sensing either sarcasm or stupidity. I'm hoping it's the former.

 

[B-Deep]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

I'm sensing either sarcasm or stupidity. I'm hoping it's the former.

yes, yes it is

 

[B-Deep]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

 

[Avery]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

 

[rickyg]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

They won 2 Super Bowls under coughlin!

I'm not defending him but to say that he has held them back is silly. I know that people are pissed at him BC of how he is treating the David Wilson situation and coughlins doghouse might have totally sapped Wilson's confidence to the point of no return.

BUT - is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't hold on to the ball???

Is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't protect his $100mm franchise qb?!?

Wilson has PLAYED himself into coughlins doghouse.

The giant's defense in the 1st 2 games has also been a problem for Wilson. They have been playing in catch up mode all season so far and since he is not going to be involved in the passing game (since HE can't pass pro) he gets shut out of the 2nd half of games.

Wilson can come back from this but he is going to have to show better pass pro in practices and keep not fumbling in real games like yesterday. I would say by midseason he will be back to 12-15 carries per game but he won't get GL touches with Jacobs and then Andre brown returning.

His value will be limited this year but I think salvageable...maybe rb3 with upside by midseason. If you can get him for a bag of peanuts rt now do it.

 

[B-Deep]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

 

[Banger]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

See...unlike many in this thread I didn't read that Wilson would be the #1. Technically, yes he was at the top of the depth chart but he was essentially going to be a 2 down back because Brown was going to take the 3rd down duty and the goal line. A lot of people were assuming that wasn't going to be the case but there was no evidence to back that up. I still don't know that Coughlin trusted him.

Then Brown got injured and it looked he was going to be the man since there was no one else there. Then he goes out and has the worst game he could have possibly had. So any "improvements" he made since last season went completely out the window and he's starting again from ground zero. Now he's in a complete "prove it to me" state. He needs to prove to Coughlin he can handle it and do what he needs to do. No one on this board can know if he's improved his blocking or not..they don't know the reads, where he supposed to be, who he's supposed to pick up and what may look like a good play to us may not be.

He'll get his chances and I certainly wouldn't drop him. I'm thinking about trying to buy really low myself but I'm willing to put him on the bench for 3-4 weeks because I think it may be that long (or maybe longer) until he becomes a guy you might start to trust in your lineup. Jacobs/Scott aren't going away any time soon IMO and Wilson is going to need to PROVE he belongs there.

 

[B-Deep]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

They won 2 Super Bowls under coughlin!

I'm not defending him but to say that he has held them back is silly. I know that people are pissed at him BC of how he is treating the David Wilson situation and coughlins doghouse might have totally sapped Wilson's confidence to the point of no return.

BUT - is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't hold on to the ball???

Is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't protect his $100mm franchise qb?!?

Wilson has PLAYED himself into coughlins doghouse.

The giant's defense in the 1st 2 games has also been a problem for Wilson. They have been playing in catch up mode all season so far and since he is not going to be involved in the passing game (since HE can't pass pro) he gets shut out of the 2nd half of games.

Wilson can come back from this but he is going to have to show better pass pro in practices and keep not fumbling in real games like yesterday. I would say by midseason he will be back to 12-15 carries per game but he won't get GL touches with Jacobs and then Andre brown returning.

His value will be limited this year but I think salvageable...maybe rb3 with upside by midseason. If you can get him for a bag of peanuts rt now do it.

i was being sarcastic

the amount of people that have turned on coughlin because of david wilson is astounding to me

he is david freaking wilson not walter peyton

 

[Koya]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

How much of this is really coughlin? Does Reese not share some responsibility for the line, or the lack thereof, and other issues on both sides of the ball. I've been a huge Reese supporter but this is starting to look more like the mediocre team that misses more playoffs than it makes rather than the two time Super Bowl winning team which appear to be two (very welcomed and lucky) exceptions.

 

[Banger]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

TC isn't going to lose his job over Wilson. A lot of the Giants fans I know were disgusted by Wilson's performance and they were extremely annoyed that they put all the eggs in his basket and didn't have a good vet on the roster. Sometimes NFL<>Fantasy and in this case I think Wilson is a fantasy darling due to his perceived abilities but NFL wise he's just not ready yet.

 

[cstu]

Parsons, you ready to change that #2 dynasty ranking yet?

 

[fbelange]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

Thats cute. TC and Eli have 2 rings and you claim the Giants would be better off if they never had them? I'm sorry the Jets look abysmal. Or is it the cowgirls that crushed your dreams last night?

 

[Khy]

You're obviously benching Wilson until further notice. But I think you're insane to drop him. He's still the best chance this team has at being a playoff contender. Just some notes from watching the game:

- The defense has actually looked good two weeks in a row. It's a little hard to tell with the scoreboard. But the offense has 10 turnovers in 2 weeks. The defense both weeks has shut down the opposing offense in the first half. And just gotten worn out by the second half and falls apart. If the offense comes on? This team is probably the best team in the East.

- Wilson looked rather good in pass protection. Yes, Eli was blown up on that one blitz. But I don't care how good or bad you are in pass protection. You can't pick up two blitzes. People in this thread saying "he picked up the wrong guy" are idiots. It didn't matter which guy he picked up. The offensive line has to pickup one of them.

- Wilson started to relax and stopped carrying the ball like it was a newborn on his last two carries. But Coughlin pulled him in catch up mode. Coughlin will see what I'm laying out here when he goes back to the tape. It may not be till Week 5-6 that he sees the starting RB 18 carries or so. But it'll slowly increase week to week. If Wilson can string together a good game in the next week or two without a fumble this will accelerate a little bit. But right now, I'd be buying low on him and benching him till Week 4 or 5. Next week at Carolina definitely isn't the matchup we want. Maybe wait and try to buy him next week.

- Eli is more to blame for the two losses than Wilson. Although, his "4 INTs" were more like 1. The one was a 4th and 10 punt, he through it up to Randle for the hell of it. If the defender wasn't stupid he'd have dropped it and the Broncos would've taken over at the 45. The one ball was a freak kick off the back of the defenders foot right into his teammates hand. This kind of shows you this just crazy bad luck the Giants are having right now. And another was Nicks running the wrong hot route.

Point is... We know the Giants at this point don't we? Every season they go like 5-6 games looking like the worst team in the NFL. And they go 8-10 games looking like the best. It'll come, it always does. Just need to preach patience here. With the Giants and Wilson.

 

[B-Deep]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

Thats cute. TC and Eli have 2 rings and you claim the Giants would be better off if they never had them? I'm sorry the Jets look abysmal. Or is it the cowgirls that crushed your dreams last night?

it was sarcasm

 

[Avery]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's about time for Major Tom to move on and it goes beyond this Wilson situation.

I love what he has done is his tenure, but the hardass disciplinarian coach that he is, is beginning to look like a relic of the past.

A lot of the game today, is playing the FA market and attracting players to your team. It's clear that a lot of players would rather not play for a coach like Coughlin. Yes if they offer a FA a lot of money and win, that is very attractive, but Coughlin seems like a handicap working the FA market.

Also, this is NY and these aren't the Jets. Winning is necessary. You can't fire all the players, so what do you do to shake things up? This team may well need a rebuild and a 66 year old Tom Couhglin is likely not the guy to start again with.

All respect and appreciation to Coughlin, but sometimes it's just time to go.

 

[Avery]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

How much of this is really coughlin? Does Reese not share some responsibility for the line, or the lack thereof, and other issues on both sides of the ball. I've been a huge Reese supporter but this is starting to look more like the mediocre team that misses more playoffs than it makes rather than the two time Super Bowl winning team which appear to be two (very welcomed and lucky) exceptions.

For sure. A lot of the blame has to go to Reese for the personnel as well.

 

[fbelange]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

when has Wilson ever been givin a nice wide open pass in space???? when have they once targeted wilson in passing game in SPACE??????????? WHEN??? I know it sounds nuts but if they would turn wilson into a 15 carry 5 catch guy they would win more games.... He will get the fumblin and blockin figured out. She li throwing 7 ints and being a whiny little bi.tch isn't helping.. WAKE UP TC

yes

Eli is the only thing weighing them down more than coughlin

the giants would be so much better off had they never acquired either of them

Thats cute. TC and Eli have 2 rings and you claim the Giants would be better off if they never had them? I'm sorry the Jets look abysmal. Or is it the cowgirls that crushed your dreams last night?

it was sarcasm

 

[B-Deep]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's about time for Major Tom to move on and it goes beyond this Wilson situation.

I love what he has done is his tenure, but the hardass disciplinarian coach that he is, is beginning to look like a relic of the past.

A lot of the game today, is playing the FA market and attracting players to your team. It's clear that a lot of players would rather not play for a coach like Coughlin. Yes if they offer a FA a lot of money and win, that is very attractive, but Coughlin seems like a handicap working the FA market.

Also, this is NY and these aren't the Jets. Winning is necessary. You can't fire all the players, so what do you do to shake things up? This team may well need a rebuild and a 66 year old Tom Couhglin is likely not the guy to start again with.

All respect and appreciation to Coughlin, but sometimes it's just time to go.

by the past you mean 2011, right?

 

[B-Deep]

someone should start a "Does Tom Coughlin need to go" thread

 

[fbelange]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

How much of this is really coughlin? Does Reese not share some responsibility for the line, or the lack thereof, and other issues on both sides of the ball. I've been a huge Reese supporter but this is starting to look more like the mediocre team that misses more playoffs than it makes rather than the two time Super Bowl winning team which appear to be two (very welcomed and lucky) exceptions.

For sure. A lot of the blame has to go to Reese for the personnel as well.

Agreed. I know I think the sky is falling, but until this season turns around I'm treading carefully with the Jerry Reese praise. I think the OL is the biggest disaster The Giants have and it gets ignored by the masses simply because...well...its the Offensive Line and no one pays much attention except for smart fans. sharks.

 

[Khy]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's about time for Major Tom to move on and it goes beyond this Wilson situation.I love what he has done is his tenure, but the hardass disciplinarian coach that he is, is beginning to look like a relic of the past.

A lot of the game today, is playing the FA market and attracting players to your team. It's clear that a lot of players would rather not play for a coach like Coughlin. Yes if they offer a FA a lot of money and win, that is very attractive, but Coughlin seems like a handicap working the FA market.

Also, this is NY and these aren't the Jets. Winning is necessary. You can't fire all the players, so what do you do to shake things up? This team may well need a rebuild and a 66 year old Tom Couhglin is likely not the guy to start again with.

All respect and appreciation to Coughlin, but sometimes it's just time to go.

I can agree to an extent. If they miss the playoffs again this season. I wouldn't mind seeing them get rid of Coughlin and bring in Bill Cowher (he's said publicly he would like to coach the team). That said, every few years we say this at some point, it starts being said publically and the Giants rally and become the best team in the NFL for a stretch and save his job. So I'm really not counting Coughlin out yet.

Yes, he makes some extremely questionable coaching calls through out the season. But when push comes to shove, I'm not sure there's a better coach in the NFL at mid-season adjustments and motivation. We've seen it twice in his 9 years here and I'm not saying we'll see it again this year. But I've learned to not doubt Coughlin or Eli to much to early. You can doubt them when they're officially mathematically out of the playoffs. Until then, you're probably betting on the wrong horse.

 

[stbugs]

Oh well, I am stuck with him in one league. I went WR heavy (Forte keeper in 3rd, Dez/Demaryius 1st/2nd), so Wilson was all I could get after all of the RBs were gone. After Brown, I thought Wilson was going to be in good shape, but this has been way worse than I ever could have expected. There is just nothing on waivers since I had such a crappy waiver wire slot.

That said, I think he could still be OK if they actually gave him the ball. I agree with others that I don't think the situation has been handled well. Watching the game in the dog house even while Eli has racked up 7 INTs in 2 weeks. Of course Eli won't sit and shouldn't, but geez. Montee Ball looked awful running, had a goal line fumble and still got 10 more carries and 1 more reception.

I don't know if it is going to get better, but I hope it does.

 

[fbelange]

The is a great message board over on giants.com having this discussion im sure. If you really want to see a fan base standing at the edge of a cliff, take look-see over there i bet its a circus.

But in all seriousness, Should I offer someone like Steve Smith for Wilson? Is that fair value at this point, or do I need to throw in a Gio Bernard with it