***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (2 Viewers)

[Avery]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's about time for Major Tom to move on and it goes beyond this Wilson situation.

I love what he has done is his tenure, but the hardass disciplinarian coach that he is, is beginning to look like a relic of the past.

A lot of the game today, is playing the FA market and attracting players to your team. It's clear that a lot of players would rather not play for a coach like Coughlin. Yes if they offer a FA a lot of money and win, that is very attractive, but Coughlin seems like a handicap working the FA market.

Also, this is NY and these aren't the Jets. Winning is necessary. You can't fire all the players, so what do you do to shake things up? This team may well need a rebuild and a 66 year old Tom Couhglin is likely not the guy to start again with.

All respect and appreciation to Coughlin, but sometimes it's just time to go.

by the past you mean 2011, right?

To take your quippy remark at face value, yes, 2011 is the past.

It was an incredible improbable run and atypical in that the team didn't back into the playoffs as they usually did under Coughlin (the Giants under Couhglin have a much better 1st half of the season record than 2nd half).

Looking at this team now, they look undisciplined, undermanned and out coached.

 

[ODannyBoy]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

Scott did more with one catch than Wilson did in two weeks. Ok I'm done

So you think RGIII is playing top 10 ball right now because of all his garbage time fantasy production? It counts the same as if it were coming in the first half of competitive games. But we all know he's looking pretty poor. I think he's a talented guy, but I don't think it because of his garbage production this year. Sometimes the stats aren't all that indicative of the quality of the player.

That's the big disconnect in this thread. The Wilson fans are saying the guy is much more talented than his production is showing and that eventually that talent will win out. The Wilson haters are saying the production is indicative of his talent, or at least his talent in the moment.

If this were a discussion about fantasy production, there really wouldn't be much debate. Everyone, even the Wilson fans, would agree that his immediate future prospects are cloudy. But as long as people are trying to argue that his season so far somehow writes the book on his talent, this thread is what you get.

 

[GoBirds]

Was just offered Wilson/J Jones for L Miller/J Bell. Yuk.

 

[ebsteelers]

The sharks thought they were being sharky when they drafted Wilson in the 4th and Miller in the 5th...

looks like we got swallowed up

 

[Rick James]

The is a great message board over on giants.com having this discussion im sure. If you really want to see a fan base standing at the edge of a cliff, take look-see over there i bet its a circus.

But in all seriousness, Should I offer someone like Steve Smith for Wilson? Is that fair value at this point, or do I need to throw in a Gio Bernard with it

in a PPR league I'd probably accept the Steve Smith trade straight up. If I got Gio too that would be robbery. IMO

 

[Avery]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

as a cowboys fan, i desperately hope this happens

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I think it's about time for Major Tom to move on and it goes beyond this Wilson situation.I love what he has done is his tenure, but the hardass disciplinarian coach that he is, is beginning to look like a relic of the past.

A lot of the game today, is playing the FA market and attracting players to your team. It's clear that a lot of players would rather not play for a coach like Coughlin. Yes if they offer a FA a lot of money and win, that is very attractive, but Coughlin seems like a handicap working the FA market.

Also, this is NY and these aren't the Jets. Winning is necessary. You can't fire all the players, so what do you do to shake things up? This team may well need a rebuild and a 66 year old Tom Couhglin is likely not the guy to start again with.

All respect and appreciation to Coughlin, but sometimes it's just time to go.

I can agree to an extent. If they miss the playoffs again this season. I wouldn't mind seeing them get rid of Coughlin and bring in Bill Cowher (he's said publicly he would like to coach the team). That said, every few years we say this at some point, it starts being said publically and the Giants rally and become the best team in the NFL for a stretch and save his job. So I'm really not counting Coughlin out yet.

Yes, he makes some extremely questionable coaching calls through out the season. But when push comes to shove, I'm not sure there's a better coach in the NFL at mid-season adjustments and motivation. We've seen it twice in his 9 years here and I'm not saying we'll see it again this year. But I've learned to not doubt Coughlin or Eli to much to early. You can doubt them when they're officially mathematically out of the playoffs. Until then, you're probably betting on the wrong horse.

Under Coughlin:

1st half of season: 53-19

2nd half of season: 28-42

Those two Superbowl runs notwithstanding, overall that doesn't look like great adjustments and motivation to me.

 

[Koya]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

... or he may have to wait until next year. :thanksforeverythingTombutIthinkitmaybetimetomoveon:

How much of this is really coughlin? Does Reese not share some responsibility for the line, or the lack thereof, and other issues on both sides of the ball. I've been a huge Reese supporter but this is starting to look more like the mediocre team that misses more playoffs than it makes rather than the two time Super Bowl winning team which appear to be two (very welcomed and lucky) exceptions.

For sure. A lot of the blame has to go to Reese for the personnel as well.

Agreed. I know I think the sky is falling, but until this season turns around I'm treading carefully with the Jerry Reese praise. I think the OL is the biggest disaster The Giants have and it gets ignored by the masses simply because...well...its the Offensive Line and no one pays much attention except for smart fans. sharks.

The only silver lining I see is we are having the mea culpa, sky is falling moment 2 games into the season, and not ten. We are only a game behind in the division. The other teams have major issues as well. While I don't expect it, it seems to be the Giants way to make things difficult, so perhaps we are looking to run off a few here, then hit our usual late-mid season slide, then try to rush for another unexpected playoff run.

This would be full on crazy talk if we had not already done it twice - and no, I don't "expect" it, but need some reason to get pumped for week 3.

 

[Pump N Go]

Wow. You Wilson people are in deep. It's like Jonestown up in this piece. Maybe the admins should rename this thread WIlsontown.

Started him again this week, two week total still in the negatives. Disheartening to see Jacobs come off the street and get more carries but again I saw Wilson whiff a couple times on protection, it's not looking good from here on out but would be dumb to sell right now, his value can only get lower with a season ending injury.

Technically speaking, zero points would be an improvement on where he stands YTD.

Obviously he's not going to be in negative points the whole season. I'm just saying he's worth holding based on upside, as opposed to trading him for someone like Andre Roberts. I'm not as delusioned as some of the owners in this thread but I still think he has some value.

 

[B-Deep]

Wow. You Wilson people are in deep. It's like Jonestown up in this piece. Maybe the admins should rename this thread WIlsontown.

Started him again this week, two week total still in the negatives. Disheartening to see Jacobs come off the street and get more carries but again I saw Wilson whiff a couple times on protection, it's not looking good from here on out but would be dumb to sell right now, his value can only get lower with a season ending injury.

Technically speaking, zero points would be an improvement on where he stands YTD.

Obviously he's not going to be in negative points the whole season. I'm just saying he's worth holding based on upside, as opposed to trading him for someone like Andre Roberts. I'm not as delusioned as some of the owners in this thread but I still think he has some value.

given where he was drafted there's no way i would drop him, and i'm not sure i would trade him as his value almost has to go up

you just have to find some other options to start and hope he works it out. I expect that he'll improve some.

 

[Banger]

Was just offered Wilson/J Jones for L Miller/J Bell. Yuk.

I'm assuming James Jones, not Julio.

 

[ODannyBoy]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

But that was one of the concerns about Wilson, his being emotional and high strung. I think it's obvious Wilson was "thinking" too much. There was one run they played in slo-mo and as he passed through the line you could see him start to drop one hand away from the ball when he found some space and then he immediately put it back on the ball. He's literally running not to fumble right now and it's occupying his thinking.

For those saying the fumbling issue isn't why he isn't playing, let's consider something. It's crazy for Coughlin to hammer him on turnovers when the QB is turning the ball over every other series, but that's what's happening. And it doesn't make sense for them to use Wilson on kick-off returns if they are so concerned about it. But yet you read how Wilson is acting, and he's acting like a guy that thinks not fumbling is THE most important thing in his universe right now. So why would he think that and act that way unless someone has made him think that not fumbling IS the most important thing in his universe right now. Do we really think Wilson is in the dark about why he isn't playing more? So what do his actions tell us?

If Coughlin wasn't really as worried about Wilson's fumbles, as some claim, and Coughlin wanted to get him touches yesterday, there were several of those Jacobs touches that could have gone to Wilson because they didn't put Eli at risk and they weren't short yardage situations. The commentators even noticed that when Jacobs was getting carries. But they didn't go to Wilson. I think they did it on purpose and it wasn't due to game situations. It's Coughlin trying to teach Wilson a lesson. I suspect he's trying to use him enough so as to not make him lose hope while at the same time holding him back enough to motivate improvement.

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coachspeak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

 

[Touchdown There]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

 

[Khy]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

But that was one of the concerns about Wilson, his being emotional and high strung. I think it's obvious Wilson was "thinking" too much. There was one run they played in slo-mo and as he passed through the line you could see him start to drop one hand away from the ball when he found some space and then he immediately put it back on the ball. He's literally running not to fumble right now and it's occupying his thinking.

For those saying the fumbling issue isn't why he isn't playing, let's consider something. It's crazy for Coughlin to hammer him on turnovers when the QB is turning the ball over every other series, but that's what's happening. And it doesn't make sense for them to use Wilson on kick-off returns if they are so concerned about it. But yet you read how Wilson is acting, and he's acting like a guy that thinks not fumbling is THE most important thing in his universe right now. So why would he think that and act that way unless someone has made him think that not fumbling IS the most important thing in his universe right now. Do we really think Wilson is in the dark about why he isn't playing more? So what do his actions tell us?

If Coughlin wasn't really as worried about Wilson's fumbles, as some claim, and Coughlin wanted to get him touches yesterday, there were several of those Jacobs touches that could have gone to Wilson because they didn't put Eli at risk and they weren't short yardage situations. The commentators even noticed that when Jacobs was getting carries. But they didn't go to Wilson. I think they did it on purpose and it wasn't due to game situations. It's Coughlin trying to teach Wilson a lesson. I suspect he's trying to use him enough so as to not make him lose hope while at the same time holding him back enough to motivate improvement.

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coachspeak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

All valid points, honestly. I'm still buying low on Wilson in every redraft and dynasty league I'm in... It could end up blowing up in my face. But if I can get him without losing a stud somewhere? I'm doing it.

As I said above, I think we'll have a better and 'truer' idea of this situation come the end of the game Week 4. I think this coming week we'll see a small uptick in carries. Probably somewhere around the 10-12 range and he'll remain on KR duties simply to keep building his confidence for holding the ball in traffic. He likely won't do much this week against a brutal Panthers front 7. Short of Spiller cutting a nice big run to the outside they've shut down two RBs that were consensus Top 10 picks back to back. I think as long as there's not hiccups (fumbles) in Week 3. Week 4 we see him increase to 12-15 carries against the Chiefs. Again a tough defense. But week 5? Then he starts to see real potential.

We get Philly who may be the worst defense in the league. Then the Bears who are probably a neutral matchup. Then Minnesota, decent matchup. Philly again great matchup. Then the bye. Come back from the bye and go OAK, GB, DAL, WAS. SD, SEA, DET. So after KC there's two bad matchups and a boat load of good-great ones? If he can keep his confidence building, the ball in his hands and improving in pass blocking. Week 5 may be when he explodes.

If he makes it to Week 5 with no big blunders I'm probably starting him as a high home run hit in all leagues.

 

[Rove!]

it was sarcasm

Sometimes it can be hard to separate the sarcasm in here from the Wils-insanity

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[B-Deep]

the new

"Coughlin is not REALLY concerned about fumbles" direction is very entertaining

 

[B-Deep]

it was sarcasm

Sometimes it can be hard to seperate the sarcasm in here from the Wils-insanity.

i completely agree, i do not blame anyon who missed that it was sarcasm

actually, the fact that it could be read seriously should demonstrate to everyone how ludicrous this whole thing has gotten

 

[Khy]

the new

"Coughlin is not REALLY concerned about fumbles" direction is very entertaining

I'm not sure it's so much that he's not concerned. More so that he's showing that concern very oddly. He's limiting his offensive carries... Okay fine I can see that if you're worried about fumbles. But he's keeping him on kickoffs? What why? Can you not fumble on a kickoff?

Coughlin is just being inconsistent. I have a feeling Wilson came into this game as the starter with a snap count assigned to him. I don't know if Coughlin is managing this correctly or not. One way or another, Coughlin understands that Wilson needs to build confidence to be the weapon he thought he had in him. There's only so many ways to approach that.

Approach A: Throw him to the wolves, give him 20 carries and hope he explodes and doesn't fumble. This is risky and backfires if he fumbles after a few runs cause he gets tired.

Approach B: Put him back on kickoffs and put him on a snap count. If he succeeds one week, increase the count. If he succeeds again the next week, increase it again. If he is still succeeding now you can give him the full compliment of carries and take him off returns, he now has confidence again. This is the less risky route.

Approach C: Bench him for a game or two and just beat him up in practice. Then out him out there after the game or two benching and move to approach A

These are your options. They're going with B, which sucks for fantasy purposes and honestly for the Giants as well. BUT it's the safest route for the kids long terms prospects. If you put him out there and give him 20 carries, even if he has 15 solid carries and fumbles on carry 16. He's crushed. His psyche really can't afford back to back fumbles. With approach B. You limit that, you build his confidence with the kick returns where he has tons of confidence already in that department. I think Coughlin is handling this correctly, it's frustrating as a Giants fan and Wilson owner. But it's the right play. If everything goes well he'll be the guy we thought he would be at the start of the season. We'll just have to wait for 4-5 weeks to get there.

 

[Sinn Fein]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

But that was one of the concerns about Wilson, his being emotional and high strung. I think it's obvious Wilson was "thinking" too much. There was one run they played in slo-mo and as he passed through the line you could see him start to drop one hand away from the ball when he found some space and then he immediately put it back on the ball. He's literally running not to fumble right now and it's occupying his thinking.

For those saying the fumbling issue isn't why he isn't playing, let's consider something. It's crazy for Coughlin to hammer him on turnovers when the QB is turning the ball over every other series, but that's what's happening. And it doesn't make sense for them to use Wilson on kick-off returns if they are so concerned about it. But yet you read how Wilson is acting, and he's acting like a guy that thinks not fumbling is THE most important thing in his universe right now. So why would he think that and act that way unless someone has made him think that not fumbling IS the most important thing in his universe right now. Do we really think Wilson is in the dark about why he isn't playing more? So what do his actions tell us?

If Coughlin wasn't really as worried about Wilson's fumbles, as some claim, and Coughlin wanted to get him touches yesterday, there were several of those Jacobs touches that could have gone to Wilson because they didn't put Eli at risk and they weren't short yardage situations. The commentators even noticed that when Jacobs was getting carries. But they didn't go to Wilson. I think they did it on purpose and it wasn't due to game situations. It's Coughlin trying to teach Wilson a lesson. I suspect he's trying to use him enough so as to not make him lose hope while at the same time holding him back enough to motivate improvement.

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coachspeak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

This is where the disconnect is - If coughlin wanted him to get touches yesterday, he would have gotten more touches.

He is not sitting him "to teach him a lesson" - he did not sit him in week 1 to "teach him a lesson" either. He is not playing in a given situation because the Giants think they have better alternatives for a given situation.

Jacobs had 7 carries - 4 in the first half. He had 3 in the second half - all were goal line carries - those are very specifically game situations where Wilson is not getting the ball. So, when you say Jacobs was stealing carries from Wilson, what exactly do you mean?

In the second half, the Giants ran the ball 9 times. 4 were goal line carries that went to Jacobs (3) and Scott (1). Wilson got 1 carry in the 3rd quarter, and then Scott got the remaining 4 carries in the 4th quarter when the Giants were in their hurry-up offense. Scott is the 3rd down back, and, by extension, the back who will play in the hurry up offense. So the carries in the second half were purely dictated by game situation - not the nebulous "I-am-Tom-Coughlin-I-will-teach-this-young-rb-a-lesson-instead-of-trying-to-win-the-game".

Look, I get the frustration from a fantasy player who thought Wilson was going to be the great sleeper pick of 2013. But, when you take the blinders off, you have to understand that real men are playing and coaching this game to win in real life, not in fantasy life. Coughlin, and Gilbride, are making decisions to win games. They are not out there trying to teach lessons, at the expense of winning. Last week Wilson got benched because the Giants could not trust him with the ball - not to teach him a lesson. This week, they wanted to rotate him with Jacobs early, probably to get Jacobs some quick playing time. Jacobs is the short-yardage back, Scott is the third-down back. Wilson still will get his carries in other game situations. Its not anymore complicated than that.

 

[jacobo_moses]

If Wilson's psyche is so fragile that Coughlin shattered it, he will never be a success on this team. Coughlin is 100 times gentler than he used to be, he is not going to turn into **** Vermeil for David Wilson. Coughlin is the Giants coach, if Wilson cannot mentally handle that he is not going to be a successful player for the Giants

But that was one of the concerns about Wilson, his being emotional and high strung. I think it's obvious Wilson was "thinking" too much. There was one run they played in slo-mo and as he passed through the line you could see him start to drop one hand away from the ball when he found some space and then he immediately put it back on the ball. He's literally running not to fumble right now and it's occupying his thinking.

For those saying the fumbling issue isn't why he isn't playing, let's consider something. It's crazy for Coughlin to hammer him on turnovers when the QB is turning the ball over every other series, but that's what's happening. And it doesn't make sense for them to use Wilson on kick-off returns if they are so concerned about it. But yet you read how Wilson is acting, and he's acting like a guy that thinks not fumbling is THE most important thing in his universe right now. So why would he think that and act that way unless someone has made him think that not fumbling IS the most important thing in his universe right now. Do we really think Wilson is in the dark about why he isn't playing more? So what do his actions tell us?

If Coughlin wasn't really as worried about Wilson's fumbles, as some claim, and Coughlin wanted to get him touches yesterday, there were several of those Jacobs touches that could have gone to Wilson because they didn't put Eli at risk and they weren't short yardage situations. The commentators even noticed that when Jacobs was getting carries. But they didn't go to Wilson. I think they did it on purpose and it wasn't due to game situations. It's Coughlin trying to teach Wilson a lesson. I suspect he's trying to use him enough so as to not make him lose hope while at the same time holding him back enough to motivate improvement.

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coachspeak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

This is where the disconnect is - If coughlin wanted him to get touches yesterday, he would have gotten more touches.

He is not sitting him "to teach him a lesson" - he did not sit him in week 1 to "teach him a lesson" either. He is not playing in a given situation because the Giants think they have better alternatives for a given situation.

Jacobs had 7 carries - 4 in the first half. He had 3 in the second half - all were goal line carries - those are very specifically game situations where Wilson is not getting the ball. So, when you say Jacobs was stealing carries from Wilson, what exactly do you mean?

In the second half, the Giants ran the ball 9 times. 4 were goal line carries that went to Jacobs (3) and Scott (1). Wilson got 1 carry in the 3rd quarter, and then Scott got the remaining 4 carries in the 4th quarter when the Giants were in their hurry-up offense. Scott is the 3rd down back, and, by extension, the back who will play in the hurry up offense. So the carries in the second half were purely dictated by game situation - not the nebulous "I-am-Tom-Coughlin-I-will-teach-this-young-rb-a-lesson-instead-of-trying-to-win-the-game".

Look, I get the frustration from a fantasy player who thought Wilson was going to be the great sleeper pick of 2013. But, when you take the blinders off, you have to understand that real men are playing and coaching this game to win in real life, not in fantasy life. Coughlin, and Gilbride, are making decisions to win games. They are not out there trying to teach lessons, at the expense of winning. Last week Wilson got benched because the Giants could not trust him with the ball - not to teach him a lesson. This week, they wanted to rotate him with Jacobs early, probably to get Jacobs some quick playing time. Jacobs is the short-yardage back, Scott is the third-down back. Wilson still will get his carries in other game situations. Its not anymore complicated than that.

And for these reasons Wilson is fantasy worthless. Most of the game scripts will not call on Wilson to get significant carries, its a 3 back committee (even when Andre Brown returns) and on top of that the Offensive Line is not run blocking very well at all. I think the Oline is a big part of the problem too. Until David Wilson leaves the NYG he will not really be fantasy relevant as more then anything then an RB3 against really bad DEF. Sorry guys. I'm a D.Wilson owner too.

 

[ShaHBucks]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

 

[gianmarco]

This has been a disappointing start for sure.

I will only leave those that currently own him with this point. Spiller owners were similarly maddened when Gailey continued to under-utilize Spiller when he was clearly the most explosive option on the bench. I'm not saying Coughlin = Gailey nor am I saying Wilson = Spiller. You can make your own determination of what you think his talent level is. Just don't let 2 games change your longterm outlook on him.

 

[T with T]

The bottom line for me at this point is that it just doesn't even matter. People can talk about the fumbles or say he can't block or whatever, but the bottom line is that the offensive line is abysmal. They may be the worst in the league. I didn't get to watch much of the game yesterday, but on one carry, Wilson got mauled by 2 guys a step after taking the handoff. Both of those guys made it through the line untouched. Wilson's pass blocking wouldn't even be as much of an issue if the actual offensive line had any ability to pass block. The RBs are being charged with picking up defenders that they shouldn't have to be picking up. If Coughlin had any desire to fix the actual problem with the offense, he'd cut his son-in-law and chew the butts out of all the rest of the linemen. Because they could stick the best blocking back in the league back there and it's not going to improve a darn thing. So even if Wilson became an excellent pass blocker it still wouldn't matter because there's simply no place to even run the ball. The Giants are a joke.

Good point I was thinking same thing.. the one poster in here was saying how wilson missed a block in the last den game but I remember there were 2 guys rushing in on the play the poster mentioned and wilson picked him up and stood him up and Eli got mauled by 2nd defender... Im regret all my fellow Wilsoners that I am gonna have to put dwilson on the bench for this week as I don't trust cough LIN to make the right call and the team is just pure #####.

Coughlin has been holding this team back from reaching its true potential for years

They won 2 Super Bowls under coughlin!

I'm not defending him but to say that he has held them back is silly. I know that people are pissed at him BC of how he is treating the David Wilson situation and coughlins doghouse might have totally sapped Wilson's confidence to the point of no return.

BUT - is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't hold on to the ball???

Is it coughlins fault that Wilson can't protect his $100mm franchise qb?!?

Wilson has PLAYED himself into coughlins doghouse.

The giant's defense in the 1st 2 games has also been a problem for Wilson. They have been playing in catch up mode all season so far and since he is not going to be involved in the passing game (since HE can't pass pro) he gets shut out of the 2nd half of games.

Wilson can come back from this but he is going to have to show better pass pro in practices and keep not fumbling in real games like yesterday. I would say by midseason he will be back to 12-15 carries per game but he won't get GL touches with Jacobs and then Andre brown returning.

His value will be limited this year but I think salvageable...maybe rb3 with upside by midseason. If you can get him for a bag of peanuts rt now do it.

is it coughlins fault Eli throws 100 interceptions everytime he takes the field... Or maybe that's wilsons fault to.

 

[T with T]

If we could step away from the "I told you so" nonsense that clutters these kinds of threads...for just a minute...and just talk about the situation...

Fantasy production is about talent and opportunity. Wilson is still the most talented RB on the roster. I'm not really interested in debating that. There appears to be a huge question about his opportunity here, though. Before the season every indication was that David Wilson would be the #1. Then the backup breaks his leg, and everyone thought Wilson would get even more carries. These were all very reasonable expectations and pretty much considered fact.

David Wilson's "opportunity" as of today has just completely fallen off the rails. The line looks terrible, the OC seems to have plans to use Jacobs and Scott more than we would like.

At this point he is absolutely benchable (if that was even a question).

See...unlike many in this thread I didn't read that Wilson would be the #1. Technically, yes he was at the top of the depth chart but he was essentially going to be a 2 down back because Brown was going to take the 3rd down duty and the goal line. A lot of people were assuming that wasn't going to be the case but there was no evidence to back that up. I still don't know that Coughlin trusted him.

Then Brown got injured and it looked he was going to be the man since there was no one else there. Then he goes out and has the worst game he could have possibly had. So any "improvements" he made since last season went completely out the window and he's starting again from ground zero. Now he's in a complete "prove it to me" state. He needs to prove to Coughlin he can handle it and do what he needs to do. No one on this board can know if he's improved his blocking or not..they don't know the reads, where he supposed to be, who he's supposed to pick up and what may look like a good play to us may not be.

He'll get his chances and I certainly wouldn't drop him. I'm thinking about trying to buy really low myself but I'm willing to put him on the bench for 3-4 weeks because I think it may be that long (or maybe longer) until he becomes a guy you might start to trust in your lineup. Jacobs/Scott aren't going away any time soon IMO and Wilson is going to need to PROVE he belongs there.

He needs the key word which is opportunity. ALl the reports say Gilbride and Tc are ecstatic about how he is carrying the ball and pass pro right now and all summer I had heard this. He needs to play on more 3rd downs, more gl.... how many screw up's did Jacobs have at the gl he sucks terribly, the Giants will not make playoffs I can guarantee with the way they are using Wilson. If Wilson was given 20 touches per game the Giants would be superbowl contenders Imo.

 

[T with T]

This has been a disappointing start for sure.

I will only leave those that currently own him with this point. Spiller owners were similarly maddened when Gailey continued to under-utilize Spiller when he was clearly the most explosive option on the bench. I'm not saying Coughlin = Gailey nor am I saying Wilson = Spiller. You can make your own determination of what you think his talent level is. Just don't let 2 games change your longterm outlook on him.

who said spiller was underutilized? I kept hearing how he was gonna get the ball a ton of times and this marrone clown was full of crap. it's like a 50-50 split LOL

 

[T with T]

I don't think Spiller will ever get gl carries the way it looks which is stupid.... plus they are underutilizing him big time..... anyways back on the Wilsonmania. Im all in with Dwilson and if he fails my team ultimately will probably fail as I grabbed him 3.2 this year in my redraft.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm going to stop banging my head against the wall for picking Wilson in one league over Bush and I'm going to offer him to Vereen.

This is one of the situations that makes so much sense, but oops the talent's not there. Or maybe it's there but it's just not there yet.

Also Brandon Myers now looks like he's going to be the chain mover in this offense (if he stays healthy).

 

[T with T]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

 

[B-Deep]

IS there a chance T with T IS David Wilson?

 

[Touchdown There]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

 

[habsfan]

This has been a disappointing start for sure.

I will only leave those that currently own him with this point. Spiller owners were similarly maddened when Gailey continued to under-utilize Spiller when he was clearly the most explosive option on the bench. I'm not saying Coughlin = Gailey nor am I saying Wilson = Spiller. You can make your own determination of what you think his talent level is. Just don't let 2 games change your longterm outlook on him.

And in the short term, don't let what should be happening, blind you to what actually is happening...

 

[ebsteelers]

imagine a team of slappies include

ray rice in round 1

david wilson in round 2

stephen ridley in round 3

and

lamar miller in round 4.

you would of came out of that cheesed up about your running back spot.. only to realize 2 weeks into the season.. its not but a wet fart so far

 

[B-Deep]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

you see who you are syaing that too right?

he thnks eli is holding the giants back and their path to the super bowl is David Wilson. You are worried about him getting fished?

 

[ShaHBucks]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Trying to find a back that can run consistently for power, not turn the ball over and be the last line of defense your franchis QB is what's best for the team. Jacobs is washed up. Blame whoever is doing the talent evaluating.

 

[ShaHBucks]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

I thought you were ran out of this thread??

I admitted I like poking at the David Wilson hype. I have nothing against Wilson as player(or any player). Most of the things I said as far as evaluating his talent/production were spot on. Ignore my unproductive comments if you want. As of now, I said enough productive things so I'm going to have fun with the stubbornness I delt with for two season. Let me live

 

[Khy]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

I thought you were ran out of this thread??

I admitted I like poking at the David Wilson hype. I have nothing against Wilson as player(or any player). Most of the things I said as far as evaluating his talent/production were spot on. Ignore my unproductive comments if you want. As of now, I said enough productive things so I'm going to have fun with the stubbornness I delt with for two season. Let me live

Actually, nothing you've said about Wilson has been 'spot on'... I'd like some of what you're smoking if that's the conclusion you've come too. Wilson has had a shaky start but somehow you seem to be the only guy who thinks Wilson is a talentless hack. Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has said anything short of "David Wilson is an amazing RB talent with serious issue of fumbling and pass blocking".

You and one or two other people on this thread are literally the ONLY people I've ever read who watched Wilson play then evaluated him as just a 'guy'. Everyone else considers him one of the top 5-10 most explosive players in the NFL today with several big question marks on ball security and pass protection. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can find me... idk two article from a reputable source who seriously questions Wilson's raw physical ability. I'll be here waiting, you'll be searching for awhile. Otherwise, just leave the thread cause all you really are is a trolling Eagles fan who actually is just personally attacking Wilson and hoping he fails.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

imagine a team of slappies include

ray rice in round 1

david wilson in round 2

stephen ridley in round 3

and

lamar miller in round 4.

you would of came out of that cheesed up about your running back spot.. only to realize 2 weeks into the season.. its not but a wet fart so far

Actually the Giants did sort of the same thing with their own drafting.

 

[Pump N Go]

imagine a team of slappies include

ray rice in round 1

david wilson in round 2

stephen ridley in round 3

and

lamar miller in round 4.

you would of came out of that cheesed up about your running back spot.. only to realize 2 weeks into the season.. its not but a wet fart so far

I've got Miller and Wilson, it's a keeper league and I got them both pretty cheap last year but it still stings. Miller at least showed some life this week.

 

[Clifford]

So Wilson I guess is essentially worthless in a trade until he posts something close to a respectable line.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I am close to cutting him and not looking back.. I deserve this, I drafted this bum last year too, last year I could blame him, coughlin etc.. this year, I have no one to blame but myself, should have stayed clear...

just a perfect example of how bad my team is this year..

 

[B-Deep]

there's some barenaked ladies parody that almost formed in my head, but i am too lazy to pursue it

 

[TheFanatic]

So Wilson I guess is essentially worthless in a trade until he posts something close to a respectable line.

Pretty much. He's absolutely a hold only because you will have to give him away for nothing. Considering what most paid for him, that's not an option.

It's only 2 weeks in. Give it some time... He could come on strong in the second half and be a monster down the stretch...

 

[Clifford]

Yep, hold and hope is the only path with this dude.

 

[ShaHBucks]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

I thought you were ran out of this thread??I admitted I like poking at the David Wilson hype. I have nothing against Wilson as player(or any player). Most of the things I said as far as evaluating his talent/production were spot on. Ignore my unproductive comments if you want. As of now, I said enough productive things so I'm going to have fun with the stubbornness I delt with for two season. Let me live

Actually, nothing you've said about Wilson has been 'spot on'... I'd like some of what you're smoking if that's the conclusion you've come too. Wilson has had a shaky start but somehow you seem to be the only guy who thinks Wilson is a talentless hack. Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has said anything short of "David Wilson is an amazing RB talent with serious issue of fumbling and pass blocking".

You and one or two other people on this thread are literally the ONLY people I've ever read who watched Wilson play then evaluated him as just a 'guy'. Everyone else considers him one of the top 5-10 most explosive players in the NFL today with several big question marks on ball security and pass protection. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can find me... idk two article from a reputable source who seriously questions Wilson's raw physical ability. I'll be here waiting, you'll be searching for awhile. Otherwise, just leave the thread cause all you really are is a trolling Eagles fan who actually is just personally attacking Wilson and hoping he fails.

I guess this thread is about me now. I don't smoke but I'll pour you a few shots. A shaky start? That's all you think so far? I thought you said he will be top-5 this year. Oh I'm the one that was wrong.

I never said he was talentless. I said he's not unique, overrated, and I thought his rookie season was awful. His profile to me reads kick NFL kick returner more than it does franchise changing RB.

Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has been right for two years now about David Wilson. You'll agree when they do I guess. I do my own homework to avoid #### like this.

I hope David Wilson has all the success in the world. That doesn't change the fact that he's being spoon fed one of the best RB jobs yet almost becoming a borderline joke. Make as many excuses as you want for him. I don't have to make one for Trent Richardson, Bryce Brown(he fumbles all the time), Robert Turbin, Doug Martin, Bernard Pierce, when they got their chance they took off... Thats just off the top of my head.

And let me know what I said that was wrong so I can admit to it. I tried to talk you off the ledge and now you're doubling down. Good luck. His next big game he won't even be in your lineup.

I don't even see the point of discussing a Giants RB any longer. How can you possible handicap them for next week? A guy came off the streets and got carries. That's enough for me. When does Andre Brown get back?

 

[IC FBGCav]

I bought into the Wilson hype and drafted him in many leagues. Unfortunately I just did my Wilson research after reading some of this thread.

Fact: Bradshaw lost fumbles in 3 of the first 4 games in 2010 and did not see a decrease in playing time.

Fact: Wilson, did not see any playing time in close games in 2012. In only 3 games did he see double digit carries.

Week 14 - 13-100-2 (52-27 win over Saints)

Week 15 - 12-55 (34-0 loss to ATL)

Week 17 - 15-75 (42-7 win over PHL)

2012 total(3 games he had no stats) 71-358-4 4 receptions 34 yards and 1TD

Andre Brown

2012 totals 8 games 73-385-8 12 rec. 84 yards - Scored TD's in 7 of the 8 games he played in.

An injury to Brown and a 80 yard preseason run got us to draft a 6/7 round reach in the 2/3 and it is not going to pan out unfortunately.

Numbers say they don't like Wilson as much as Brown. I would get Brown where you can and hope he comes back soon and healthy.

 

[mphtrilogy]

brown is the shark move here...

 

[Khy]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

I thought you were ran out of this thread??I admitted I like poking at the David Wilson hype. I have nothing against Wilson as player(or any player). Most of the things I said as far as evaluating his talent/production were spot on. Ignore my unproductive comments if you want. As of now, I said enough productive things so I'm going to have fun with the stubbornness I delt with for two season. Let me live

Actually, nothing you've said about Wilson has been 'spot on'... I'd like some of what you're smoking if that's the conclusion you've come too. Wilson has had a shaky start but somehow you seem to be the only guy who thinks Wilson is a talentless hack. Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has said anything short of "David Wilson is an amazing RB talent with serious issue of fumbling and pass blocking".

You and one or two other people on this thread are literally the ONLY people I've ever read who watched Wilson play then evaluated him as just a 'guy'. Everyone else considers him one of the top 5-10 most explosive players in the NFL today with several big question marks on ball security and pass protection. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can find me... idk two article from a reputable source who seriously questions Wilson's raw physical ability. I'll be here waiting, you'll be searching for awhile. Otherwise, just leave the thread cause all you really are is a trolling Eagles fan who actually is just personally attacking Wilson and hoping he fails.

I guess this thread is about me now. I don't smoke but I'll pour you a few shots.A shaky start? That's all you think so far? I thought you said he will be top-5 this year. Oh I'm the one that was wrong.

I never said he was talentless. I said he's not unique, overrated, and I thought his rookie season was awful. His profile to me reads kick NFL kick returner more than it does franchise changing RB.

Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has been right for two years now about David Wilson. You'll agree when they do I guess. I do my own homework to avoid #### like this.

I hope David Wilson has all the success in the world. That doesn't change the fact that he's being spoon fed one of the best RB jobs yet almost becoming a borderline joke. Make as many excuses as you want for him. I don't have to make one for Trent Richardson, Bryce Brown(he fumbles all the time), Robert Turbin, Doug Martin, Bernard Pierce, when they got their chance they took off... Thats just off the top of my head.

And let me know what I said that was wrong so I can admit to it. I tried to talk you off the ledge and now you're doubling down. Good luck. His next big game he won't even be in your lineup.

I don't even see the point of discussing a Giants RB any longer. How can you possible handicap them for next week? A guy came off the streets and got carries. That's enough for me. When does Andre Brown get back?

Actually I never said he'd be a Top 5 RB this season... I did say that Top 5 was his ceiling because from the video I've watched on the kid he has all the talent in the world. I also said his floor was RB2 which is something I 100% firmly believe in at least once this blows over in a week or two. I think he's a good bet for Bradshaw like numbers from then on out.

Again, the Giants need him and Coughlin knows that. People are freaking out even more because of his limited field time this week as if this means Coughlin's just dog housing him again. I doubt it though, I honestly think the plan for this game was a relative snap count. They probably set it somewhere between 20-30 based on the pace of the game. If he did well enough it would increase to 40-50 next week. And I'm guessing this is what we'll see this weekend against the Panthers. Obviously, if he's lighting the Panthers up at 5 yards a clip and Scott and Jacobs are just plodding along for 1ypc he'll probably get some more if they feel he can handle it. And vice versa, if he's not doing anything and they are you'll see closer to the 30-40 type numbers in snap counts.

Again, the plan here is probably to bring him along a little bit slower than they intended. If he had 30% of the snap counts this week, next week he has 40%, the week after 50%, then the week I labeled as the main one in Week 5 he hits 60-70% and stays there. At least my best guess is that's the plan. He showed nothing this week but signs of improvement and the Giants won't and can't afford to give up on him.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Again, the plan here is probably to bring him along a little bit slower than they intended. If he had 30% of the snap counts this week, next week he has 40%, the week after 50%, then the week I labeled as the main one in Week 5 he hits 60-70% and stays there. At least my best guess is that's the plan. He showed nothing this week but signs of improvement and the Giants won't and can't afford to give up on him.

When you are down by 20 with 5 minutes left and you can make a difference you play. They are grooming Scott not Wilson. They think Scott is the better player in the 2 minutes and Jacobs in short yardage. Wilson's not playing has nothing to do with a dog house. These are grown ### men who want to win. They play racists if they think it will help the team. Wilson is not playing because they don't think he his good enough. IMO. The plan to hold on the best they can until Brown gets back.

 

[ShaHBucks]

That does give me hope because it means that Coughlin thinks Wilson is worth grooming. But for the life of me I just wonder if Coughlin is the guy to do it. All the talk about treating every player the same is BS coach-speak which many of them will admit in a candid moment. So it makes me wonder if Coughlin is the genius that is actually making Wilson a better player or simply the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players. At 0-2 that's a strategy that quickly gets second guessed.

At this point I am going with "the fool that is incapable of managing certain types of players". If there was a real concern with fumbling, David Wilson would not be on kickoff return. This was a very clear demotion and statement by Boss Man. It was fine when he was dealing with a rookie and other capable backs on the roster. Now he is just an old fool.

For the last time, David Wilson is on the bench because he is not producing. He is not a transending talent that can single-handidly carry a franchise. Even though it's possible, its probably not likely that Wilson is a featured NFL RB at this point. TC knows this and decided to split the job with a few specialist. TC put him back in position to do what he does best. Please stop blaming TC for doing what's best for his team.

so bringing out Brandon jacobs who was on his couch last week and has been done for years to avg less then 1 ypc is smart and best for his team???? what?

Don't bother responding to ShaHBucks. Level 9 moron with a agenda. Allowing Concept Coop and ShaHBucks to fish you is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Ignore.

I thought you were ran out of this thread??I admitted I like poking at the David Wilson hype. I have nothing against Wilson as player(or any player). Most of the things I said as far as evaluating his talent/production were spot on. Ignore my unproductive comments if you want. As of now, I said enough productive things so I'm going to have fun with the stubbornness I delt with for two season. Let me live

Actually, nothing you've said about Wilson has been 'spot on'... I'd like some of what you're smoking if that's the conclusion you've come too. Wilson has had a shaky start but somehow you seem to be the only guy who thinks Wilson is a talentless hack. Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has said anything short of "David Wilson is an amazing RB talent with serious issue of fumbling and pass blocking".

You and one or two other people on this thread are literally the ONLY people I've ever read who watched Wilson play then evaluated him as just a 'guy'. Everyone else considers him one of the top 5-10 most explosive players in the NFL today with several big question marks on ball security and pass protection. I'll admit I'm wrong if you can find me... idk two article from a reputable source who seriously questions Wilson's raw physical ability. I'll be here waiting, you'll be searching for awhile. Otherwise, just leave the thread cause all you really are is a trolling Eagles fan who actually is just personally attacking Wilson and hoping he fails.

I guess this thread is about me now. I don't smoke but I'll pour you a few shots.A shaky start? That's all you think so far? I thought you said he will be top-5 this year. Oh I'm the one that was wrong.

I never said he was talentless. I said he's not unique, overrated, and I thought his rookie season was awful. His profile to me reads kick NFL kick returner more than it does franchise changing RB.

Not a single other beat writer, nfl analyst, fantasy analyst or scout has been right for two years now about David Wilson. You'll agree when they do I guess. I do my own homework to avoid #### like this.

I hope David Wilson has all the success in the world. That doesn't change the fact that he's being spoon fed one of the best RB jobs yet almost becoming a borderline joke. Make as many excuses as you want for him. I don't have to make one for Trent Richardson, Bryce Brown(he fumbles all the time), Robert Turbin, Doug Martin, Bernard Pierce, when they got their chance they took off... Thats just off the top of my head.

And let me know what I said that was wrong so I can admit to it. I tried to talk you off the ledge and now you're doubling down. Good luck. His next big game he won't even be in your lineup.

I don't even see the point of discussing a Giants RB any longer. How can you possible handicap them for next week? A guy came off the streets and got carries. That's enough for me. When does Andre Brown get back?

Actually I never said he'd be a Top 5 RB this season... I did say that Top 5 was his ceiling because from the video I've watched on the kid he has all the talent in the world. I also said his floor was RB2 which is something I 100% firmly believe in at least once this blows over in a week or two. I think he's a good bet for Bradshaw like numbers from then on out.

Again, the Giants need him and Coughlin knows that. People are freaking out even more because of his limited field time this week as if this means Coughlin's just dog housing him again. I doubt it though, I honestly think the plan for this game was a relative snap count. They probably set it somewhere between 20-30 based on the pace of the game. If he did well enough it would increase to 40-50 next week. And I'm guessing this is what we'll see this weekend against the Panthers. Obviously, if he's lighting the Panthers up at 5 yards a clip and Scott and Jacobs are just plodding along for 1ypc he'll probably get some more if they feel he can handle it. And vice versa, if he's not doing anything and they are you'll see closer to the 30-40 type numbers in snap counts.

Again, the plan here is probably to bring him along a little bit slower than they intended. If he had 30% of the snap counts this week, next week he has 40%, the week after 50%, then the week I labeled as the main one in Week 5 he hits 60-70% and stays there. At least my best guess is that's the plan. He showed nothing this week but signs of improvement and the Giants won't and can't afford to give up on him.

I'll make different buy/sells:

BUYING

David Wilson - RB - NYG: All offseason the question has been only about his opportunity. The only thing everyone agreed on with Wilson was that if given bell-cow work he had all the talent to succeed. Nobody thought he would get the bell-cow work this season with Brown around. With Brown down now and bell-cow work all but guaranteed for most of the season. He'll finish Top 5.

I rest my case.

 

[Khy]

Again, the plan here is probably to bring him along a little bit slower than they intended. If he had 30% of the snap counts this week, next week he has 40%, the week after 50%, then the week I labeled as the main one in Week 5 he hits 60-70% and stays there. At least my best guess is that's the plan. He showed nothing this week but signs of improvement and the Giants won't and can't afford to give up on him.

When you are down by 20 with 5 minutes left and you can make a difference you play. They are grooming Scott not Wilson. They think Scott is the better player in the 2 minutes and Jacobs in short yardage. Wilson's not playing has nothing to do with a dog house. These are grown ### men who want to win. They play racists if they think it will help the team. Wilson is not playing because they don't think he his good enough. IMO. The plan to hold on the best they can until Brown gets back.

We've covered this earlier in the thread. Scott was on the roster bubble before Andre Brown went down. They aren't 'grooming' Scott at all, he's simply more experienced and has a better understanding of the pass protection schemes right now.

 

[Khy]

I'll make different buy/sells:

BUYING

David Wilson - RB - NYG: All offseason the question has been only about his opportunity. The only thing everyone agreed on with Wilson was that if given bell-cow work he had all the talent to succeed. Nobody thought he would get the bell-cow work this season with Brown around. With Brown down now and bell-cow work all but guaranteed for most of the season. He'll finish Top 5.

I rest my case.

Fair enough...

Although if we're being honest.

With the way the first two weeks have gone for RBs, he could still EASILY finish Top 5. Right now the #1 RB is Shady and #5 is Reggie Bush with 260 total yards and a single TD. One or two big games and Wilson is immediately shoved into the RB1 mix again. Joique Bell, Knowshon and McFadden are all currently Top 10 RBs. I think past McCoy, Charles, Lynch and Peterson this top 10 is a wide open ball game still through Week 2.

Not at all saying I still think he's anything close to a good bet let alone a lock for Top 5. But really, if he puts up 100yds and 2 TDs this week all of a sudden he's a Top 15 back. Does it again in Week 4? He's a Top 5-6 back. That's how this seasons been so far. Not saying he will just saying realistically it's a perfectly reasonable option.