***David Wilson Bandwagon*** (1 Viewer)

[MoveToSkypager]

Funny how people are slobbering all over Gio Bernard but so quick to dismiss David Wilson. Now I love me some Gio and targeted him in a lot of drafts, but strictly speaking Wilson was considered a better prospect and talent. Wilson was a first round draft pick, selected behind Trent Richardson and Doug Martin. Gio was a 2nd round pick and first off the board in a pretty weak RB class.

Did you forget the rest of your point?

 

[JuniorNB]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Again, the plan here is probably to bring him along a little bit slower than they intended. If he had 30% of the snap counts this week, next week he has 40%, the week after 50%, then the week I labeled as the main one in Week 5 he hits 60-70% and stays there. At least my best guess is that's the plan. He showed nothing this week but signs of improvement and the Giants won't and can't afford to give up on him.

When you are down by 20 with 5 minutes left and you can make a difference you play. They are grooming Scott not Wilson. They think Scott is the better player in the 2 minutes and Jacobs in short yardage. Wilson's not playing has nothing to do with a dog house. These are grown ### men who want to win. They play racists if they think it will help the team. Wilson is not playing because they don't think he his good enough. IMO. The plan to hold on the best they can until Brown gets back.

We've covered this earlier in the thread. Scott was on the roster bubble before Andre Brown went down. They aren't 'grooming' Scott at all, he's simply more experienced and has a better understanding of the pass protection schemes right now.

He isn't more experienced. Wilson has played in 18 games, Scott 17. Most of Scott's games have been from the sidelines in entirety. Wilson actually had some playing time his rookie year. Scott has been around for one year longer, but that has only a small amount of value since he's never been anything more than a third stringer (until now) because of Bradshaw, Brown and Wilson. The 3 aforementioned have most likely gotten more reps in practice, and certainly more reps with the first team guys.

I do agree with you about the grooming thing though. Do running backs really get groomed when a game is on the line? I wouldn't think so. They get groomed in practice, just like everyone else. I'm sure Coughlin and Jerald Ingram have rightly or wrongly agreed that Scott right now gives them a better chance to win. Apparently they think Scott has less flaws than Wilson, so he's in there.

People are melting down about Coughlin in this thread. I don't know if he employs the same motivational games as his mentor Parcells, but even if he doesn't, he could be unintentionally motivating Wilson to be a better player. We can all cite examples of great players that needed a kick in the ### before they went on to greatness. Maybe this is the moment for Wilson. It's clear he's amazingly talented, and I'd love for him to suck a few more weeks so I can scoop him up in some dynasty leagues. I don't expect that to be the case. If I had him, he'd stay in my starting lineup because I expect him to start playing well anytime and I don't want to leave his points on my bench. I don't know anyone that sincerely thinks Wilson can't be a good player, but right now he needs to improve in the coaches' eyes. I'm deferring to Coughlin on this because we only see him once per week. Coughlin and Ingram see this guy several hours per day, 6-7 days per week and makes their judgements upon a ####load more observations than we do.

 

[matttyl]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

 

[Short Corner]

Going to offer Joique for him

As a redraft owner, I'd have to think hard about that.

Pulled the offer down. I am liking Joique's prospects better at this point.

 

[Khy]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

 

[chad in Indy]

David Wilson and the Giants' Play Calling: Now What?

by JJ Zachariason on Sep 16th, 2013

What Now?You’re either a David Wilson owner or you’re not. If you are, you have four choices: drop him, start him, trade him, bench him.

Dropping him wouldn’t make much sense at this point. Unless you’re in a 6-team league, David Wilson’s going to be better than anything off your waiver wire.

Starting Wilson wouldn’t make much sense either, unless you’re completely desperate. The play calling disaster in New York can’t make you feel confident about slotting a guy like Wilson in your lineup.

Trading the Giants runner would be a strange thing to do. We all go with the “buy low, sell high” attitude in fantasy, and you’d be selling Wilson at his probable extreme low. Who are you going to get? Daniel Thomas? Is there a point?

Benching David Wilson is the only choice. It’s time to think of David Wilson as a high-upside play that has just as much of a chance of breaking out as any other benched running back. It’s a sad day for David Wilson owners, I know, but the instant you recognize the mess in New York, the instant you become a better fantasy owner. Keep him on your bench until you see a change of heart with the Giants coaching staff. If he has a breakout game from there, that’s fine – at least you know you didn’t make a reactionary move that could end up costing you the season."

As a Wilson Dyn owner I just don't see how you can do anything but hold. (He is a 1st Rnd talent that even Tiki Barber has said the Giants have never had a dynamic RB as Wilson.)

But with how Coughlin will handle Wilson in the game script, using a 3 RB rotation between (Brown,Scott, Jacobs and Wilson), and the def for NYG always letting games get out of hand so they are pass happy. You pretty much have to call this season a lost season for Wilson and hope for better days next year or when Wilson is with another team.

I'm glad somebody posted this. I deleted a great deal of the content so go back if you want to read in entirety. I read this too on another website and thought it summed it up pretty well.

One other note from the limited amount i saw of the game. I still don't like Wilson's pass protection is he keeps trying to only chop a player down. Eli got sacked on a play where Wilson chop blocked his man, but another defender was coming too. Some people have said that either way the sack was inevitable, but I would think that if he stood the guy up and took the hit, there was a high probability that it would have clogged the hole and not allowed the other to get the sack. It's these little things that add up. I don't question his play making ability and would guess he's just as good a pass catcher as Scott. However, he's been critiqued from coaches about needing to take a hit for a block and still only goes after the legs. These things will keep him from seeing time.

 

[JuniorNB]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

 

[B-Deep]

i cannot quit this thread

 

[Yenrub]

It was obvious when the Giants released Bradshaw, that it was because they planned to make Wilson the lead back. That's a long term plan that shouldn't be scrapped after one bad game. Otherwise it should have never been the plan.

If Wilson really does lack the talent to be an RB1, then the Giants look like fools for releasing Bradshaw. If he is a RB1, then Coughlin is a fool for not finding ways to use him more. Either way grandpa Coughlin looks like a fool. Meanwhile Giants fans now get to watch Jacobs fall down for 1 yard and defenses ignore all of Eli's play action fakes.

Wilson’s role hasn’t changed much from the preseason at all. The Giants made it pretty clear in the preseason that Wilson wasn’t going to be the 3rd down or GL back.

It’s Brown’s work load that has been split between Jacobs and Scott. Brown was slated to be the 3rd down & GL back all preseason long (Of course most of the people on the bandwagon chose to ignore that)

No doubt that Wilson is a more talented runner than both Jacobs and Scott and I would love to see him get the ball in space more often but maybe he hasn’t grasped all of the offense just yet. I’ve seen it written that the Giants passing offense is one of the most complicated in the league because of all of the option routes

 

[Warrior]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

Get a clue. Maybe watch a game of football once in a while before you post. You're acting like the sky is falling when RG3 has thrown for 649 yards and 5 TDs in his first two games after shredding his knee.

Sheep.

 

[ponchsox]

I'm done posting in this thread until Wilson goes for 100/TD which will be never.

 

[Eminence]

Funny how people are slobbering all over Gio Bernard but so quick to dismiss David Wilson. Now I love me some Gio and targeted him in a lot of drafts, but strictly speaking Wilson was considered a better prospect and talent. Wilson was a first round draft pick, selected behind Trent Richardson and Doug Martin. Gio was a 2nd round pick and first off the board in a pretty weak RB class.

Actually, I made that thread, too. It was a landslide in favor of David Wilson.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

One year wonder? Who? Oh the guy who was picked #2 overall that is supposed to be good, was good and is recovering from a major injury? Now go outside and play will all the other little kiddies...mommy will call you when dinner is ready.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Call a tow truck cuz the wheels have come off this bandwagon...

Funny considering the one year wonder in your avatar.

Shredded knee is an excuse, fumbleitis isn't. Now I think that RG3 will return to form within the next few months, but even if he doesn't he did more in his first year than Wilson will do in his career.

We shall see. There's also a chance that Wilson fixes his fumbleitis and Griffin's knee never allows him to be the weapon he was last year. And we're all seeing how he is as a pocket passer when the run threat isn't there.

Get a clue. Maybe watch a game of football once in a while before you post. You're acting like the sky is falling when RG3 has thrown for 649 yards and 5 TDs in his first two games after shredding his knee.

Sheep.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm done posting in this thread until Wilson goes for 100/TD which will be never.

career or single game?

 

[B-Deep]

lol

please tell me people now think Wilson > RG3

that'll keep me interested for a few more pages

 

[glock]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

You're right. I wouldn't want THAT guy on MY team.

 

[Eminence]

You're right. I wouldn't want THAT guy on MY team.

I'm doing quite fine in my leagues without touching this goon. Even if he does go off, he's put up some pretty dog#### stats in Week 1 + Week 2.

Someone tell me how they are going to accurately predict when the blocking is going to be perfect and David Wilson will run full-sprint through it for a Touchdown? You can't and that's why you don't want this guy on your Fantasy Team.

Don't fall in love with where you drafted him. He's got athletic ability, he's just clearly not ready to be a full-time runner yet.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just offered an owner who is 1-21 (all play format) Marlon Brown and a 2nd Round pick for Wilson.

 

[lod01]

If you didn't see the way he is now holding the football, you would be wise to watch. The way he carries it now, he's not going to get a lot of yards. It has eliminated the speed he has. Every carry he has both arms wrapped around it as if he's trying get a 1st down on 4th and inches. This has totally neutralized any ability he has.

He is going to have to run like he used to with a small change in holding the football to have any use as an NFL RB.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Serious thread is serious.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

slow down guys its just football. and just to let you know Tom Caughlin does not care about your fantasy team!

 

[Touchdown There]

This is the David Wilson bandwagon thread. If you do not like David Wilson, go to a different thread.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Eminence is going HAM lmao.. I thought I was having fun. "Do you know who you're ####### with" might be sig worthy.

 

[The Fantasy Chef]

David Wilson plays for Tom Caughlin or should I post a new thread?

 

[ldizzle]

Eminence is going HAM lmao.. I thought I was having fun. "Do you know who you're ####### with" might be sig worthy.

 

[Avery]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

 

[T with T]

Funny how people are slobbering all over Gio Bernard but so quick to dismiss David Wilson. Now I love me some Gio and targeted him in a lot of drafts, but strictly speaking Wilson was considered a better prospect and talent. Wilson was a first round draft pick, selected behind Trent Richardson and Doug Martin. Gio was a 2nd round pick and first off the board in a pretty weak RB class.

The difference is, Marvin Lewis is much better at taking advantage of Bernard's skillset than Coughlin is with Wilson. How in the hell can they make Scott the third down back? I've seen Scott have several opportunities to catch a ball in space. Of course, he runs until he gets near defenders and he goes down on first contact. Just like Giovani did last night, Wilson would excel in that kind of space, You'd think Coughlin and Gilbride would be smart enough to figure out that getting Wilson the ball out in space might be beneficial to the offense. Instead, they hand him the ball and tell him to run off-guard. Holding the ball like Larry Czonka.

Well said Junior, you took the words out of my mouth, I have been saying this for months. They are criminally misusing Dwilson and I doubt they figure it out this year. Then all offeseason we will hear about how awesome Dwilson is and how he is gonna breakout and be the RB1....

 

[Khy]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

This is what I don't understand... that's the second time I've seen him link that video as 'proof' that Wilson just runs with a full head of steam and then does nothing. When all I see is a guy who breaks tackles, has freakish balance and never goes down on first contact and definitely has quick cuts. It's like debating if the Godfather is a good movie or not. We're watching the same thing and somehow you're seeing something completely different than everyone else watching it, Eminence. Not really sure what else to say, but posting a video of him breaking tons of tackles, making quick cuts and showing shockingly good power and ridiculous balance isn't going to make me think you're evaluation of that video is somehow correct.

 

[FDC]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agree

Even this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

 

[Khy]

Funny how people are slobbering all over Gio Bernard but so quick to dismiss David Wilson. Now I love me some Gio and targeted him in a lot of drafts, but strictly speaking Wilson was considered a better prospect and talent. Wilson was a first round draft pick, selected behind Trent Richardson and Doug Martin. Gio was a 2nd round pick and first off the board in a pretty weak RB class.

The difference is, Marvin Lewis is much better at taking advantage of Bernard's skillset than Coughlin is with Wilson. How in the hell can they make Scott the third down back? I've seen Scott have several opportunities to catch a ball in space. Of course, he runs until he gets near defenders and he goes down on first contact. Just like Giovani did last night, Wilson would excel in that kind of space, You'd think Coughlin and Gilbride would be smart enough to figure out that getting Wilson the ball out in space might be beneficial to the offense. Instead, they hand him the ball and tell him to run off-guard. Holding the ball like Larry Czonka.

Well said Junior, you took the words out of my mouth, I have been saying this for months. They are criminally misusing Dwilson and I doubt they figure it out this year. Then all offeseason we will hear about how awesome Dwilson is and how he is gonna breakout and be the RB1....

Not so sure about that... I feel like if they come out this week and lose the game while once again giving Wilson only a few touches? That they'll go into full "panic don't care anymore" mode and just start using him. You have the media questioning his usage and the players saying he needs to be more involved in the game plan. Coughlin has gone through stuff like this before earlier with the team and eventually succumbed to the pressure of it all and gave in because he had nothing left to lose. They won't have a winning record this season without getting the running game on track, Wilson is literally their only hope in doing that. Eventually, necessity or at the very least Coughlin's stubbornness will fade because they aren't winning. What it really comes down to is how long do we have to wait for him to get an actual chance again? Is it this week? Next week? Week 5? I'm calling Week 5 personally but I guess we'll see against Carolina on Sunday.

 

[Khy]

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

I agree

Even this week that 2 yard gain he had was insane. I am very concerned/convinced about the pass catching (but you could say similar about ADP)

I'm not sure where this thing about him being a bad pass catcher is coming from to be honest? It was considered a strength of his coming out of school, he showed pretty good ability last season on his couple of targets and then in the preseason he put up 7 receptions.

 

[unckeyherb]

yeah, he looks pretty explosive in that video. Not sure where the negativity on him comes from in that reel..

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Both the pro and anti Wilson sides in this thread are totally outrageous.

He clearly proved that he has serious NFL level running talent, as evidenced by his play on special teams last year. Anyone calling him a straight line only speed guy clearly hasn't seen him play.

His ability to play as a complete RB (running, blocking, receiving, holding onto the ball) is obviously lacking at this point. No one's misusing him or benching him to prove a point -- he's just not ready yet.

People obviously overdrafted him in redraft based on the ridiculous hype. In dynasty, be patient and hope he pulls it together -- he's still just a kid with a ton of career ahead of him.

Carry on though -- it's been amusing thus far...

 

[Khy]

Both the pro and anti Wilson sides in this thread are totally outrageous.

He clearly proved that he has serious NFL level running talent, as evidenced by his play on special teams last year. Anyone calling him a straight line only speed guy clearly hasn't seen him play.

His ability to play as a complete RB (running, blocking, receiving, holding onto the ball) is obviously lacking at this point. No one's misusing him or benching him to prove a point -- he's just not ready yet.

People obviously overdrafted him in redraft based on the ridiculous hype. In dynasty, be patient and hope he pulls it together -- he's still just a kid with a ton of career ahead of him.

Carry on though -- it's been amusing thus far...

I'll agree that in the standpoint of a full 3 down back he isn't quite there yet. That said, I do think that he's being under-utilized. But it isn't even really 'just' him. It's more the game planning so far this season has been completely awful. People keep saying "The Giants got to far behind and had to abandon the run" except they really didn't... they didn't run it enough in the first half either and that ended as a 10-9 game. Then they came out after half and never stopped passing. That's not really 'misusing Wilson' it's just bad game planning. Which is something Gilbride seems to randomly do for about 4-5 games a season. Seems like those 4-5 games a season I sit there screaming at my TV as Eli throws the ball WAY more than he should and starts forcing passes. That WILL change, it HAS to. Coughlin knows it, Eli knows it, Gilbride knows it and the front office knows it. The carries will come and he'll hopefully make the most of them.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Eminence is going HAM lmao.. I thought I was having fun. "Do you know who you're ####### with" might be sig worthy.

Yeah, that's bonkers. I can't believe anyone would type that sort of thing.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Both the pro and anti Wilson sides in this thread are totally outrageous.

He clearly proved that he has serious NFL level running talent, as evidenced by his play on special teams last year. Anyone calling him a straight line only speed guy clearly hasn't seen him play.

His ability to play as a complete RB (running, blocking, receiving, holding onto the ball) is obviously lacking at this point. No one's misusing him or benching him to prove a point -- he's just not ready yet.

People obviously overdrafted him in redraft based on the ridiculous hype. In dynasty, be patient and hope he pulls it together -- he's still just a kid with a ton of career ahead of him.

Carry on though -- it's been amusing thus far...

I'll agree that in the standpoint of a full 3 down back he isn't quite there yet. That said, I do think that he's being under-utilized. But it isn't even really 'just' him. It's more the game planning so far this season has been completely awful. People keep saying "The Giants got to far behind and had to abandon the run" except they really didn't... they didn't run it enough in the first half either and that ended as a 10-9 game. Then they came out after half and never stopped passing. That's not really 'misusing Wilson' it's just bad game planning. Which is something Gilbride seems to randomly do for about 4-5 games a season. Seems like those 4-5 games a season I sit there screaming at my TV as Eli throws the ball WAY more than he should and starts forcing passes. That WILL change, it HAS to. Coughlin knows it, Eli knows it, Gilbride knows it and the front office knows it. The carries will come and he'll hopefully make the most of them.

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the Giants' HOF coach knows a bit more about how to win games than a bunch of bitter David Wilson fantasy owners, but YMMV.

 

[Wreckincrew]

I've always thought he was overrated, great gadget player but WAY too one-dimensional.Sure, he 'might' score a long one. But he also 'might' fumble or get Eli sacked. Start him if you want.

But a RB who can't a block or catch well is VERY easy to defend against. All speed, no wiggle.

Wait til he gets banged up, let's see how much "burst" he has left.

Terrible analysis of David Wilson.

It's easy to kick a man when he's down.

For starters, his greatest asset isn't even speed. Just look up his 40 time.

Too bad I've been saying this #### for months.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681790&page=1

Just because you've been saying it for months doesn't make it a appropriate analysis of Wilson's skillsets. You seem to have this idea in your head that he runs a 4.2 40 and has no power, agility or football skill in general. Which is actually the exact opposite of what Wilson is... he runs a 4.5 40 and has outstanding balance, spin moves, power and cutting ability. He's actually not all that fast at top speed. He simply has incredibly fast acceleration. For example... here is the NFL.com draft profile on Wilson. Tell me how this makes you correct:

STRENGTHS Wilson is extremely explosive and quick-twitched off the snap. He can quickly accelerate to top speed, and he makes the most of his small frame by lowering his pad level into hits. He is so explosive and generates such movement with his leg drive that he is capable of running over linebackers, but he prefers to use his agility to make guys miss in space. Wilson is just as electric working as a receiver out of the backfield or in the slot as he is as a ball carrier, and he could be used in a variety of alignments.

So honestly, this notion you have that he's just a fast guy who is a bad receiver with no "football moves" is just asinine and not even remotely close to correct. It's baseless statements like this from guys who don't even watch the games but instead just look at the statline that make the Shark Pool a mess sometimes. Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there. Right now it's a matter of him holding onto the ball and the coaching staff understanding that his skillset gives them the best chance to win on Sunday's. Hell, even Eli and the offensive line are saying these things in press conferences right now. It's just a matter of Coughlin understanding that he has to stop being so stubborn about it. If Eli can throw 7 picks in 2 games then Wilson needs to be allowed some time to groom his fumbling issues. Cause the real problem with this team isn't Wilson's lack of ability it's their lack of usage of him.

God, dude. Do you know who you're ####### with?

I'm well aware of what David Wilson's '40 time' is. You keep mentioning it up and if you read some of my previous posts / threads I even quote his exact Combine numbers. Oh wait, here's a thread where I post all of them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681893&hl=

Also, for the record '40 times' mean nothing.

And again, jagoff. I don't think you know who you're ####### with. I don't watch games? I only look at statlines? Is that why I created player threads for:

DeAndre Hopkins

Eddie Lacy

Cordarelle Patterson

Le'Veon Bell

All before they were drafted? And they all ended up being 1st / 2nd Round NFL Picks. But sure, I just looked at stats and made opinions about players. It's called the eye-ball test, learn to use it and you'd see Wilson's deficiency as a pass-catcher just like I saw the talent of those above 4 players.

You don't even say what Wilson's strengths are. You simply give me a blanket statement of, "Watch Wilson on the field, you can tell the talent is there." Way to go out on a limb.

Watch this video of David Wilson's rookie highlights and tell me what you honestly think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl4djQM56Pc

There's no finesse, there's no cutback. All I see is a player who runs full-speed into the hole, full-speed into defenders. There's no jukes, spins, etc. He occasionally runs into a defender and awkwardly stays on his feet, but no, this isn't a player with a large arsenal of football moves.

Not saying he can't improve in that aspect, but as of right now he relies solely on his burst to pick up yards. I don't see extraordinary vision, patience, or anything like that.

Sorry, but no.

We're clearly on entirely different pages. I'm not a professional talent evaluator but I see power, quick cuts, speed, and balance and I don't know how you don't.

This is what I don't understand... that's the second time I've seen him link that video as 'proof' that Wilson just runs with a full head of steam and then does nothing. When all I see is a guy who breaks tackles, has freakish balance and never goes down on first contact and definitely has quick cuts. It's like debating if the Godfather is a good movie or not. We're watching the same thing and somehow you're seeing something completely different than everyone else watching it, Eminence. Not really sure what else to say, but posting a video of him breaking tons of tackles, making quick cuts and showing shockingly good power and ridiculous balance isn't going to make me think you're evaluation of that video is somehow correct.

Hey, dude, do you know who you're ####### with? It's a random person on the internet with enough time to create threads about football players without receiving any compensation at all. You're not allowed to question him/her. Your choices are to either agree with Eminence or agree, that's it. DO NOT try to form your own opinion or even offer another viewpoint.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

David Wilson - RB - Giants


ESPN New York believes it's time for Giants coach Tom Coughlin to "put aside his worries and concern and give the ball" to David Wilson.
So do we. The Giants have a pathetic 73 yards rushing through two games, and aren't going to get a spark from fringe NFLer Da'Rel Scott or used-up veteran Brandon Jacobs. The Giants need to not only lean on Wilson, but let him know it's not the end of the world if he occasionally fumbles. Adrian Peterson was among the backs to lose fumbles in Week 2. It happens. Wilson appeared to be gripping the ball so tight against the Broncos that he was leaving yards on the field. Wilson's Week 1 performance was unacceptable, but it's time for Coughlin and his 0-2 team to move on.

 

[CariocaSean]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Good post.

 

[shadyridr]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

 

[werdnoynek]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

bra####INGvo.

 

[T with T]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

wow Have we found the light people Im a super impressed... I say 17 carries 3 catches a game is his window for success...

 

[Avery]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

How dare you question Coughlin!!!

He is a professional football coach who has won multiple Superbowls so we're not allowed to question him on a message board dedicated to discussing football... or at least that's what a few people told me in this thread.

Edit to add: Good post.

 

[msudaisy26]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

bra####INGvo.

*golfclap*

 

[Papa John's]

A few observations:

1) David Wilson looks great in that video of his rookie season highlights

2) The Giants abandoned the run before the game even started against Denver. They came out lining up in the shotgun on seemingly every play. I didn't check game logs, and I'm not going to, but I estimate 5 or so of Wilson's 7 carries came out of the shotgun.

3) Wilson looked very awkward running the ball against Denver. He is trying too hard not to fumble and is clearly not playing relaxed and natural.

In my opinion, the coaches are botching this. This team won't go anywhere if they don't establish a downhill run game threat. Play action passing is non-existent. D-linemen are free to pass rush without concern for the run game.

They need to stop ruining David Wilson's talent with these extreme measures to protect the football. Let him play ball. You let Eli Manning chuck four interceptions every game but you won't give David Wilson a shot to contribute to your football team because he turns the ball over? Line it up in the I-formation and give this kid 15+ carries a game, consequences be damned. Support him. Cause what you are doing right now is not working and will not work. They are going the wrong direction.

Bravo ... poster of the year here, in week 3. Nice laying it out there.

 

[monk]

The way he carried the ball with two hands was the funniest thing i ever saw. The coaches really think a 2.0 ypc and zero fumbles is more valuable than a 5.0 ypc and 1 fumble?

Are you kidding? That is the way RBs are taught to carry the ball..high and Tight with 2 hands in traffic.

You would rather have 5 yards and a turnover than 2 yards and 2 more downs?

Watch the video of Knowshown's TDs and you will see he is carrying the ball the same way when defenders are near him