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Jumped off the wagon for the season.

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Just didn't think the upside was there (if he even suits up again this year -- which I have my doubts about that in a lost season) as a 2 down between the 20's guy. He's had 5 weeks to show something with zero competition and wound up splitting snaps with a guy that doesn't belong in the league anymore (Jacobs) and another who probably doesn't make the roster if A.Brown doesn't get hurt (Scott).
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I'm still of the opinion that the releasing of Scott was proof they were going to finally give Wilson the full chance. This was coaches holding him back on snap counts more so than him not showing anything. If he doesn't get hurt in that game we probably finally see him touch the ball 20 times in a game. That said, yeah in redraft? I think ti's time to let him go, especially if they lose tonight. If they lose tonight I wouldn't be shocked if he's placed on IR on Monday if they say he's going to miss anything more than 4 weeks. They still are intending for him to be the future of the Giants backfield. There'd be no sense to rush him back on a lost season when they could just put him on IR and let him rest for the next 11 months.

That said... if they somehow win. And the Cowboys and Eagles lose this week? They're one game out and they may hold him off IR if rehab is an option over surgery for a week or two and see if rehab is doing anything. I think after tonight though, if they lose he's droppable in redraft. And still a great buy low target in dyno.

 
Kept him in my auction/keeper $ league as an RB3 with possible RB2/trade bait upside- and he's cheap enough to keep for '14...

I have to, but am not looking forward to this threads nonsense next year...

 
glock said:
Kept him in my auction/keeper $ league as an RB3 with possible RB2/trade bait upside- and he's cheap enough to keep for '14...

I have to, but am not looking forward to this threads nonsense next year...
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I mean this thread should finally start dying out until next season... it's not sounding good for Wilson. A lot of reports are saying that his injury could be in a similar vein to Bradshaw's. I'd be surprised at this point if he isn't shipped to IR. Again, unless the Giants win this week and he gets word Monday that he could come back after the bye. Then I can see them keeping him rostered until after the bye for a chance at a playoff push late in the season as this division is garbage right now. Again, a win against the Bears and a Philly & Dallas loss puts them one game out. Which sounds hilariously pathetic but it's true by some miracle, can't be ignored here. That said, if anyone realistic is on waivers in short bench redraft leagues... it's probably safe to drop him. Second opinions are never good, it's likely the first doctor said "Surgery is the best step from here" and they're hoping this one says "Nah, rehab seems fine, you'll be back in 4-6 weeks".

 
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.

 
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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The most memorable thing about Wilson's 2012 will be that double backflip.

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PPR: Dynasty. I'm paying a RB3 max price for him. Unless you're selling for that, not interested at all. The guy proved nothing other than -- he fumbles, poor pass protector and ran to the tune of 3.3 ypc. Most importantly, he's yet to prove he's a full time back. I just don't see great upside for 2 down RB's that'll play between the 20s :shrug: (And for a 22-23 year old 1st round pick at RB, you're probably expecting that upside -- and I don't see it).

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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The most memorable thing about Wilson's 2012 will be that double backflip.

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PPR: Dynasty. I'm paying a RB3 max price for him. Unless you're selling for that, not interested at all. The guy proved nothing other than -- he fumbles, poor pass protector and ran to the tune of 3.3 ypc. Most importantly, he's yet to prove he's a full time back. I just don't see great upside for 2 down RB's that'll play between the 20s :shrug: (And for a 22-23 year old 1st round pick at RB, you're probably expecting that upside -- and I don't see it).
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It's very tough to be optimistic long-term for Wilson. His contract means he'll stay a Giant but I expect them to draft another RB and make this RBBC at best for him.

 
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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considering how poorly this season worked out, irrespective of potential, they would be obliged to bring somebody in -- unless Scott or Cox show something

 
A dynasty buy low at what price? Given the spectacular amount of hype leading up to this years, Wilson's owners probably valued him at / paid for him as a top-10 RB. Even with this season's debacle, no one is going to bail at a fraction of the investment / value they placed on the guy a month and a half ago after a 46 touch sample size. From what I've seen, his value hasn't adjusted to anywhere near realistic levels yet -- I've been shot down across the board offering single random future 1sts with no counter and "not even close" comments. And that's about what he's actually worth IMO -- late 1st round RB that showed flashes on ST as a rookie then crapped the bed in epic fashion year two.

 
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Traded him for Tom Brady in a keep 5 PPR league. My starter was Dalton. Rolling with TRich, L Bell, L Miller and some chaff at RB. Thought I had a decent shot at the playoffs but then Julio Jones promptly died. Probably would just hold him for next year if I had known about Julio's injury.

 
I just dropped him in my redraft. About 4 weeks too late. It's not happening.

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
A dynasty buy low at what price? Given the spectacular amount of hype leading up to this years, Wilson's owners probably valued him at / paid for him as a top-10 RB. Even with this season's debacle, no one is going to bail at a fraction of the investment / value they placed on the guy a month and a half ago after a 46 touch sample size. From what I've seen, his value hasn't adjusted to anywhere near realistic levels yet -- I've been shot down across the board offering single random future 1sts with no counter and "not even close" comments. And that's about what he's actually worth IMO -- late 1st round RB that showed flashes on ST as a rookie then crapped the bed in epic fashion year two.
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come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.

 
KellysHeroes said:
come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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Did they truly totally commit? It seems to me that going into the season, even if he was the technical starter, that there was an assumption of some split with Brown in Wilson's favor. I suppose you could argue them not trying to acquire another RB from the free agent pool at the time Brown went down signaled some sort of commitment, but I would imagine there was a weighing of options involved (e.g. money, FA available, roster limitations, etc). Also, if they truly did totally commit, then they must not know the definition of the phrase since it was all but thrown out the window after one week and a case of fumblitus.

I'm not saying the above because I'm anti-Wilson. In fact, I only play in two leagues and my trade to acquire him went through this morning. I only traded Heath Miller in hopes he could still turn it around and the injury wasn't major, but am considering dropping him (redraft) if the news early next week has him out for more than 4 weeks.

 
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tdhartis said:
KellysHeroes said:
come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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Did they truly totally commit? It seems to me that going into the season, even if he was the technical starter, that there was an assumption of some split with Brown in Wilson's favor. I suppose you could argue them not trying to acquire another RB from the free agent pool at the time Brown went down signaled some sort of commitment, but I would imagine there was a weighing of options involved (e.g. money, FA available, roster limitations, etc). Also, if they truly did totally commit, then they must not know the definition of the phrase since it was all but thrown out the window after one week and a case of fumblitus.

I'm not saying the above because I'm anti-Wilson. In fact, I only play in two leagues and my trade to acquire him went through this morning. I only traded Heath Miller in hopes he could still turn it around and the injury wasn't major, but am considering dropping him (redraft) if the news early next week has him out for more than 4 weeks.
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They did commit to him, lets face it there was an 'assumption' that Brown was going to see a big role. But in reality Wilson was seeing all the 1st team snaps in preseason. Brown couldn't have been all that important to their game plan. They had him out on the field with the 3rd team offense when he got injured. If people could step back from their hatred and their love for Wilson and just looked at what happened, at least in my opinion things are pretty obvious.

Game One: He was being used early and as really the only back until the second fumble. At that point, it was smart to remove him. Not for lack of trust in him but clearly that game wasn't going to get better for him from that point on. Live to fight another day.

Games Two-Four: Still of the opinion he was under used. But I said it several times, I think the idea here was to slowly build his snaps and touches and put him back on kickoffs to build his confidence back up from the week one debacle.

Game Five: This was on track to be his "coming out game" if you will. He saw 71% of the first quarter snaps, ran the ball 6 times and was targeted once in the passing game. There were 2 3rd down plays and he split them with Jacobs. Up until his neck injury he was on pace for at least 20 carries and most of the snaps in the game. Despite what the numbers say he was looking pretty good if you actually watched the game. The play he was hurt on was a -3 yard play where he was hit in the backfield by 3 different guys. Otherwise he had runs of 0, 4, 4, 5, 5. Which is pretty solid considering he's considered by most to be more of a 'home run' back. Having watched him last season, he probably would have ended up cracking one or two 20+ runs in this game and finished with a solid line on the day. And we'd probably be having a different conversation right now talking about "Well Wilson had 20 carries for 112 yards and a TD in this game. What are we thinking from here on out?".

 
KellysHeroes said:
Coeur de Lion said:
A dynasty buy low at what price? Given the spectacular amount of hype leading up to this years, Wilson's owners probably valued him at / paid for him as a top-10 RB. Even with this season's debacle, no one is going to bail at a fraction of the investment / value they placed on the guy a month and a half ago after a 46 touch sample size. From what I've seen, his value hasn't adjusted to anywhere near realistic levels yet -- I've been shot down across the board offering single random future 1sts with no counter and "not even close" comments. And that's about what he's actually worth IMO -- late 1st round RB that showed flashes on ST as a rookie then crapped the bed in epic fashion year two.
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come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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I must define "totally commit" differently than you do. It sure looked to me like he was in RBBC with a couple of total scrubs in Scott and Jacobs.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
KellysHeroes said:
Coeur de Lion said:
A dynasty buy low at what price? Given the spectacular amount of hype leading up to this years, Wilson's owners probably valued him at / paid for him as a top-10 RB. Even with this season's debacle, no one is going to bail at a fraction of the investment / value they placed on the guy a month and a half ago after a 46 touch sample size. From what I've seen, his value hasn't adjusted to anywhere near realistic levels yet -- I've been shot down across the board offering single random future 1sts with no counter and "not even close" comments. And that's about what he's actually worth IMO -- late 1st round RB that showed flashes on ST as a rookie then crapped the bed in epic fashion year two.
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come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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I must define "totally commit" differently than you do. It sure looked to me like he was in RBBC with a couple of total scrubs in Scott and Jacobs.
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I think cutting Scott and then giving him 70% of the snaps before he got injured is a pretty good indication of commitment. Or does anyone here think they had planned all along to let Jacobs sit at home on his couch for a few weeks before bringing him in and then riding the guy to the playoffs?

 
TheFanatic said:
Coeur de Lion said:
KellysHeroes said:
come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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I must define "totally commit" differently than you do. It sure looked to me like he was in RBBC with a couple of total scrubs in Scott and Jacobs.
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I think cutting Scott and then giving him 70% of the snaps before he got injured is a pretty good indication of commitment. Or does anyone here think they had planned all along to let Jacobs sit at home on his couch for a few weeks before bringing him in and then riding the guy to the playoffs?
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The commitment in question is before the season began, and I don't think it was total. However, I would say there was a waiver of it after Week 1, and would agree that cutting Scott and his pre-injury workload in Week 5 signaled a commitment.

Most reports are saying he likely won't be back until after the Week 11 bye. If you're interested in getting a piece of the admittedly dumpster-fire that is the Giant's running game, I would recommend stashing Brown and see how the RBBC plays out assuming Wilson is back.

 
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tdhartis said:
TheFanatic said:
Coeur de Lion said:
KellysHeroes said:
come on, he flashed in the pan at times last yr. Give him a little credit, he showed he enough for the Giants to totally commit to him before the season began.
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I must define "totally commit" differently than you do. It sure looked to me like he was in RBBC with a couple of total scrubs in Scott and Jacobs.
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I think cutting Scott and then giving him 70% of the snaps before he got injured is a pretty good indication of commitment. Or does anyone here think they had planned all along to let Jacobs sit at home on his couch for a few weeks before bringing him in and then riding the guy to the playoffs?
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The commitment in question is before the season began, and I don't think it was total. However, I would say there was a waiver of it after Week 1, and would agree that cutting Scott and his pre-injury workload in Week 5 signaled a commitment.

Most reports are saying he likely won't be back until after the Week 11 bye. If you're interested in getting a piece of the admittedly dumpster-fire that is the Giant's running game, I would recommend stashing Brown and see how the RBBC plays out assuming Wilson is back.
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Oh, I would agree that the commitment wasn't total before the season.

 
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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I agree. I was buying up to the last week or two. No I think his price could get lower before rebounding. I'll try buying again if and when that happens. He'll have more competition next year and just as many questions to answer.

 
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Concept Coop said:
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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I agree. I was buying up to the last week or two. No I think his price could get lower before rebounding. I'll try buying again if and when that happens. He'll have more competition next year and just as many questions to answer.
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I mean, the Giants are ranked 32nd in the NFL in rushing yards. They're either going to draft O-Line or RB.

 
Eminence said:
Concept Coop said:
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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I agree. I was buying up to the last week or two. No I think his price could get lower before rebounding. I'll try buying again if and when that happens. He'll have more competition next year and just as many questions to answer.
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I mean, the Giants are ranked 32nd in the NFL in rushing yards. They're either going to draft O-Line or RB.
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Not necessarily. They'd be smart to go OL. But you know they can't resist investing in the DL, they need S, they need CB to a lesser degree, and they haven't done anything worthwhile for their LB corps in years and years. There's tons of ways they can go, I would actually be surprised if they sunk any significant assets (FA $$ or draft picks before the 4th round) into the RB position.
 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
Not necessarily. They'd be smart to go OL. But you know they can't resist investing in the DL, they need S, they need CB to a lesser degree, and they haven't done anything worthwhile for their LB corps in years and years. There's tons of way they can go, I would actually be surprised if they sunk any significant assets (FA $$ or draft picks before the 4th round) into the RB position.
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I don't think they'll use a first rounder on one, or anything like that. But they won't go into the season with Wilson/Brown/Jacobs.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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The most memorable thing about Wilson's 2012 will be that double backflip.

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PPR: Dynasty. I'm paying a RB3 max price for him. Unless you're selling for that, not interested at all. The guy proved nothing other than -- he fumbles, poor pass protector and ran to the tune of 3.3 ypc. Most importantly, he's yet to prove he's a full time back. I just don't see great upside for 2 down RB's that'll play between the 20s :shrug: (And for a 22-23 year old 1st round pick at RB, you're probably expecting that upside -- and I don't see it).
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I'm buying just for the backflips
 
Nucker101 said:
Grabbed Brown in my only non-IR league(owned in all others with IR), going to be tough to hold him though but the payoff could be nice. I think Coughlin trusts him more and when he's back I doubt they'll use any other back much, Jacobs had the size/strength over Wilson but Brown is pretty big so no point other than giving Brown a breather, and I highly doubt Coughlin has much faith in Scott or Cox.
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Somebody is going to touch the rock over the next few weeks in some sort of committee.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Nucker101 said:
Grabbed Brown in my only non-IR league(owned in all others with IR), going to be tough to hold him though but the payoff could be nice. I think Coughlin trusts him more and when he's back I doubt they'll use any other back much, Jacobs had the size/strength over Wilson but Brown is pretty big so no point other than giving Brown a breather, and I highly doubt Coughlin has much faith in Scott or Cox.
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Somebody is going to touch the rock over the next few weeks in some sort of committee.
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No doubt, but I expect minimal value. The Giants offensive line is a serious problem, and Wilson(who was overhyped, but still a decent back) really struggled running behind it so I have my doubts that Scott or Cox will fair much better in a committee with Jacobs. In PPR my money is on Scott to be a decent depth RB, but it's going to be hard to trust any of these guys in typical 12 team PPR leagues.

 
Nucker101 said:
ShaHBucks said:
Nucker101 said:
Grabbed Brown in my only non-IR league(owned in all others with IR), going to be tough to hold him though but the payoff could be nice. I think Coughlin trusts him more and when he's back I doubt they'll use any other back much, Jacobs had the size/strength over Wilson but Brown is pretty big so no point other than giving Brown a breather, and I highly doubt Coughlin has much faith in Scott or Cox.
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Somebody is going to touch the rock over the next few weeks in some sort of committee.
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No doubt, but I expect minimal value. The Giants offensive line is a serious problem, and Wilson(who was overhyped, but still a decent back) really struggled running behind it so I have my doubts that Scott or Cox will fair much better in a committee with Jacobs. In PPR my money is on Scott to be a decent depth RB, but it's going to be hard to trust any of these guys in typical 12 team PPR leagues.
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Both longshots, but just because Wilson sucked doesn't mean Scott/Cox can't be serviceable. I guess we will see in a few...
 
Concept Coop said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Not necessarily. They'd be smart to go OL. But you know they can't resist investing in the DL, they need S, they need CB to a lesser degree, and they haven't done anything worthwhile for their LB corps in years and years. There's tons of way they can go, I would actually be surprised if they sunk any significant assets (FA $$ or draft picks before the 4th round) into the RB position.
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I don't think they'll use a first rounder on one, or anything like that. But they won't go into the season with Wilson/Brown/Jacobs.
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Neither Brown or Jacob's will be on the team next year ... And who knows if Wilson's neck is worse then expected he might not be either

 
Eminence said:
Concept Coop said:
zamboni said:
Khy said:
And still a great buy low target in dyno.
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I'm not so sure anymore.

If he's done for the season, he's really proven nothing and will almost certainly face considerable competition next year - whether it's Brown or someone else.
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I agree. I was buying up to the last week or two. No I think his price could get lower before rebounding. I'll try buying again if and when that happens. He'll have more competition next year and just as many questions to answer.
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I mean, the Giants are ranked 32nd in the NFL in rushing yards. They're either going to draft O-Line or RB.
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I hope they alternate Oline & LB for the 1st 4 picks ... but they won't...they'll take clowny

 
I consider myself a Jacobs hater, but wow, he's running like the truck he wasn't for so many years before today. And thumbs up for Diehl so far today, he's blocking well. Why can't he block like that for Wilson? :whistle:

 
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