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DropKick
Footballguy
I think all (most) on opening day too when the jitters are highest. I can keep Wilson for the 10.11... I just need to see some promise in the preseason.
12punch
Footballguy
Dismattle
Footballguy
Yeah I don't mean to upset your laughing at me But I did actually recall SE lacking OL But I believe Mike could fill in just about as good as Beast. They still have a pretty solid D
Now your GMen may not have near the Defense (maybe) even especially considering who they play most. Its a situation that you may not to watch IF the OL cant hold
Whats your prediction for the NYG RB(s)?
Dismattle
Footballguy
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12punch
Footballguy
well, I think their line got upgraded --- they got rid of diehl, and signed a pretty good guard in schwartz.
center was probably a big upgrade with one of the best prospects from the draft in the second round.
pugh could certainly improve in his 2nd year.
anyway, I think mcadoo will make them look better --- green bay's interior might've been better, but if you consider the tackles they had I wouldn't say that was one of the league's top lines.
I'm still in process, but right now I'm in the jennings camp.
I've pretty much given up on wilson, although I wouldn't talk anyone off him as some late round flyer, but there might be better lotto tix.
I see this as somewhat similar to the denver situation last year, and would expect jennings to get the bulk of it.
I don't watch college ball, and mcadoo did feed a rookie 300+ touches last year, so I'll keep an open mind on their rookie, but I think there's significant risk there, as the first fumble or missed blitz pick up would likely put him on the bench.
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Dismattle
Footballguy
Its nice to hear that NYG improved their OLine.. Im pretty sure Ive seen teams fail to do so for yrs
Im not really gonna attempt to put into words my thoughts on evaluating an OLine, But I believe needs (points) combined with the time needed can dictate how effective an OLine can perform. I realize teams draft according to specific charts, and become known for specific type play. For me, it might be impressive to watch a pancake, but I do not wish to see my QB on the ground period. In so far as supporting the run, maybe they'll open holes when were up two scores.
Im pretty much in the same boat about not watching much college ball (nothing close to what I enjoyed growin up) So I feel pretty good when I have something worth contributing! Last Season I felt Wilson may have been a poor play, and was somewhat able to get my point across.
If we both can agree that its possible for Coachs to help players develop, Wilson may be a diamond in the rough. I must say it almost made me sick to my stomach considering Slaton w his injury, so Im probably just a bit hardened on the whole neck injury thing.
But yeah I do not wish to post on Wilson anymore, and wish his Fans Good Luck!
Im not really gonna attempt to put into words my thoughts on evaluating an OLine, But I believe needs (points) combined with the time needed can dictate how effective an OLine can perform. I realize teams draft according to specific charts, and become known for specific type play. For me, it might be impressive to watch a pancake, but I do not wish to see my QB on the ground period. In so far as supporting the run, maybe they'll open holes when were up two scores.
Im pretty much in the same boat about not watching much college ball (nothing close to what I enjoyed growin up) So I feel pretty good when I have something worth contributing! Last Season I felt Wilson may have been a poor play, and was somewhat able to get my point across.
If we both can agree that its possible for Coachs to help players develop, Wilson may be a diamond in the rough. I must say it almost made me sick to my stomach considering Slaton w his injury, so Im probably just a bit hardened on the whole neck injury thing.
But yeah I do not wish to post on Wilson anymore, and wish his Fans Good Luck!
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Injured neck again. Mild, but still not good. Please retire, David Wilson.
David Wilson left Tuesday's training camp practice early with a neck burner.
A "burner" or "stinger" is an injury to the nerves in the neck or shoulder that produce a stinging sensation. Obviously, with Wilson, this is a major concern and not something to take lightly. Following practice, coach Tom Coughlin said "we were all praying" Wilson wouldn't suffer any setbacks. This qualifies as one. Recovery time can range, but WIlson won't be cleared to return until he's experiencing zero neck pain. We'll update Wilson when the Giants do.
David Wilson left Tuesday's training camp practice early with a neck burner.
A "burner" or "stinger" is an injury to the nerves in the neck or shoulder that produce a stinging sensation. Obviously, with Wilson, this is a major concern and not something to take lightly. Following practice, coach Tom Coughlin said "we were all praying" Wilson wouldn't suffer any setbacks. This qualifies as one. Recovery time can range, but WIlson won't be cleared to return until he's experiencing zero neck pain. We'll update Wilson when the Giants do.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
That's not good. Agree that he should seriously look at hanging em up -- nothing's worth risking paralysis over.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
some of you guys are still pimping this dude? 
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Sounds like a precaution, hope he's fine
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
this is starting to look like the Denario Alexander career.
steveski
Footballguy
I like how scumbags always come out of the woodwork to talk badly about a guy after a serious injury.some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
What does his ability as a player gave anything to do with this potentially career ending injury?
If you ever have an injury that causes you to not be able to work or do something you love ever again then I hope people laugh and point at you.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
scumbag? really?My comment has NOTHING to do with any injuries....hes just one of those players that people think will over come whatever keeps setting him back over and over and over......at some point you move on and admit hes never going to be what we thought he would be.I like how scumbags always come out of the woodwork to talk badly about a guy after a serious injury.some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
What does his ability as a player gave anything to do with this potentially career ending injury?
If you ever have an injury that causes you to not be able to work or do something you love ever again then I hope people laugh and point at you.
steveski
Footballguy
Look at what you said. The dude is in the hospital finding out if he will ever be able to play football ever again. There are times certain things are not appropriate and this is one of them. If you're a football fan, which I imagine you are since you're here, then you shouldn't ever be happy about a player suffering serious injuries.scumbag? really?My comment has NOTHING to do with any injuries....hes just one of those players that people think will over come whatever keeps setting him back over and over and over......at some point you move on and admit hes never going to be what we thought he would be.I like how scumbags always come out of the woodwork to talk badly about a guy after a serious injury.What does his ability as a player gave anything to do with this potentially career ending injury?some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
If you ever have an injury that causes you to not be able to work or do something you love ever again then I hope people laugh and point at you.
There are plenty people in here that doubted his talent and that's fine. They discussed their disbelief in him. Throwing jabs at him after an injury is just not the way to do it. If you don't see anything wrong with that then I don't have anything else to say.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
again....my comment had nothing to do with his latest neck stingerLook at what you said. The dude is in the hospital finding out if he will ever be able to play football ever again. There are times certain things are not appropriate and this is one of them. If you're a football fan, which I imagine you are since you're here, then you shouldn't ever be happy about a player suffering serious injuries.scumbag? really?My comment has NOTHING to do with any injuries....hes just one of those players that people think will over come whatever keeps setting him back over and over and over......at some point you move on and admit hes never going to be what we thought he would be.I like how scumbags always come out of the woodwork to talk badly about a guy after a serious injury.What does his ability as a player gave anything to do with this potentially career ending injury?some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
If you ever have an injury that causes you to not be able to work or do something you love ever again then I hope people laugh and point at you.
There are plenty people in here that doubted his talent and that's fine. They discussed their disbelief in him. Throwing jabs at him after an injury is just not the way to do it. If you don't see anything wrong with that then I don't have anything else to say.
Nemesis
Footballguy
I wrote the above post back in October, when I was 30 days post-op from a 3 level neck fusion. And as I sit here today, some 9 months post op, I can easily say that I have gone thru several periods of complications or setbacks myself as I have heard that the total healing process from a fusion surgery takes approx. 1 full year. This is usually due several factors, such as surgical site itself, the regeneration of any nerves that might have been impinged, elimination of scar tissue, and the re-alignment of tissues above and below that have been compromised during the injury.
As for me, I am JUST now starting to feel better after getting an Inversion table for Father's day..........this thing has really helped me and I've actually been able to get back into the gym recently.
So, this thing with David Wilson could be just a minor hiccup in the healing process or something worse........I do wish him well and appreciate his courage to keep his dream alive of continuing to play in the NFL, but I'm also hesitant to understand how he can risk further damage to himself.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm not an owner so I guess it's easy for me to say, but like with Best I think he should retire before he gets seriously hurt. Both of these guys have made enough money that they should be able to make nice lives for themselves after football.
steveski
Footballguy
Well I guess the fact that there isn't any terrible news right away is a good sign. It's not anything that requires immediate attention at least. Maybe they want to give it time for any swelling or anything to go away and take a look and see how things looked compared to how they looked a couple weeks ago when he was cleared.
As crazy as it seems, it could be something completely unrelated and it could be nothing just like how most stingers are for people. That's the optimistic outlook at least.
I agree that if this is at all related to the previous injury then he should hang them up. It's not worth risking his life or his ability to move all his limbs for the game no matter how much the game means to him. It's too bad seeing someone with that much talent never getting a chance to really play, but I'd prefer that then him going out there and seriously hurting himself.
The "nice" part about this is that it's really not about fantasy even for the owners. The people who bought him his rookie year or going into the 2nd year already realized they missed on a pick and he became worth almost nothing. People that bought him this off season basically paid nothing to get him. There was/is a lot of upside in him but it's not costing anybody a lot so I think even most owners of him at this point aren't worried about their fantasy teams and just want this guy to make a decision that's best for him and his life.
As crazy as it seems, it could be something completely unrelated and it could be nothing just like how most stingers are for people. That's the optimistic outlook at least.
I agree that if this is at all related to the previous injury then he should hang them up. It's not worth risking his life or his ability to move all his limbs for the game no matter how much the game means to him. It's too bad seeing someone with that much talent never getting a chance to really play, but I'd prefer that then him going out there and seriously hurting himself.
The "nice" part about this is that it's really not about fantasy even for the owners. The people who bought him his rookie year or going into the 2nd year already realized they missed on a pick and he became worth almost nothing. People that bought him this off season basically paid nothing to get him. There was/is a lot of upside in him but it's not costing anybody a lot so I think even most owners of him at this point aren't worried about their fantasy teams and just want this guy to make a decision that's best for him and his life.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Is this the Andre Williams thread now?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
dude should hang it up, neck/back issues are not to be messed with.
Sucks I really like him and he never seemed to get it going or out of the doghouse for that matter
Sucks I really like him and he never seemed to get it going or out of the doghouse for that matter
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/News-Alert-RB-David-Wilson-burner-update-730/72d79152-dacc-410d-a6cc-bf438fd7127e
Sounds bad to me.
Doesn't even sound like he got hit hard... he just ran into the back of his own guard Eric Herman.
Sounds bad to me.
Doesn't even sound like he got hit hard... he just ran into the back of his own guard Eric Herman.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Interesting
"Needs a miracle" to get back on the field
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/david_wilson_injury_update_giants_appear_less_optimistic_in_potential_return.html
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/david_wilson_injury_update_giants_appear_less_optimistic_in_potential_return.html
Rick James
Footballguy
what a bummer. I really like Wilson and his talent.
steveski
Footballguy
He's being optimistic. Even if the doctor did say everything looks fine and it looks the same as it did when he was cleared, the fact that this happened a few hits after returning is a pretty obvious sign that the chance of it reoccurring is high. Even the best doctors in the world don't know everything for certain. The doctor that cleared him was looking at images of his neck while laying on a table. I bet if they had detailed xray images of his neck while he was getting hit, they may be able to see what's going on here. Unfortunately that's not possible.
Again, maybe there's a chance that it was just a freak coincidence, but it is unlikely. I think even if the images look the same as they did before it's unlikely for him to play again. It's obvious that even if the images look okay, he's not okay. I think the best case scenario is they DO see something that maybe they missed before and they can correct it and he can come back and play. I think them not seeing anything wrong/different is a bad thing.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I think Wilson still plays this year, but if anything else happens in the neck area he is likely going the Jahvid Best route.
steveski
Footballguy
I hope you're right but I don't see it. This occurred after he ran into the back of his own blocker. It's not like he had some full speed head on collision with a linebacker here.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
David Wilson - RB - GiantsSteed said:
A source tells NJ.com that David Wilson (neck) "needs a miracle" to return to the field.
Wilson sustained a burner during Tuesday's practice, just a few months after undergoing spinal fusion surgery. His NFL career is now in serious jeopardy. The Giants are not expecting Wilson to get good news when he meets with his surgeon on Monday, leaving them with Andre Williams, Peyton Hillis and Michael Cox behind starter Rashad Jennings.
Source: NJ.com
Jul 31 - 10:29 AM
Khy
Footballguy
monk said:
Seems the only people reporting this 'source' at all is NJ.com. Until I hear something from an actual reputable source like Rapoport or something I'm not really buying it. This quote specifically leaves me skeptical:
To me that sounds like they simply spoke with a doctor who has an understanding of the stenosis condition and he said something along the lines of "If his visit to his doctors on Monday reveal the stinger was a result of the stenosis or the fusion failing than he'll need a miracle". And they just cropped out "needs a miracle" for the article headline.
As for the fact that this occurred with him running into the back of his own blocker? The official report was he caught the shovel pass and turned with his head down and ran into his lineman. You try pointing your eyes to the ground and then briskly jog into the back of your couch so that your head hits the couch. I guarantee you'll fall to the ground with a shooting pain down your neck. Even if he just walked into the blocker with his neck down he would've probably gotten a little stung. You're head isn't supposed to take a hit at that angle.
So that really doesn't worry me at all. Simply fact is, if the doctor looks at the scan and sees that his fusion isn't holding up for some reason, then it's a problem and could be the last straw in his career. But if his doctor looks at all his scans and he looks the same as he did when he got cleared last week? Then they'll probably say it was unrelated to the stenosis and just a simple stinger, something every player experiences at some point at least once or twice a season. The only reason this stinger is even news worthy is because he has his stenosis issues already. This would be no different than if we hear Gronk got hit in the knee and took a minute or two to get up. But was able to run at full speed a few minutes later. They'd probably hold him out of contact for a few days and have scans done just to make sure his ACL is holding up and then he'd go back to playing if there were no signs of issues.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Funny that you waited till he had a set back to laugh. Last week, I don't remember you saying anything when he was ripping off long runs and taking hits.some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
wrong....i was pimping him at the beginning of last season(drafted him )....then it was just one setback after another,,,by years end i had given up believing ...now here we are ...brand new season and guess what....Funny that you waited till he had a set back to laugh. Last week, I don't remember you saying anything when he was ripping off long runs and taking hits.some of you guys are still pimping this dude?
Fireinside
Footballguy
Come on guys, DeMarcus Ware has battled stinger injuries the last four seasons...
not saying it's not alarming, but try to stay positive guys!
I'm rooting for the kid and keeping my thumbs up that it's only a stinger and that's it.
not saying it's not alarming, but try to stay positive guys!
I'm rooting for the kid and keeping my thumbs up that it's only a stinger and that's it.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
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