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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Myles is far from dirty.
He is a monster though.
Myles Garrett leads the NFL in sacks: How he's done it and what records are within reach
He is a monster though.
Myles Garrett leads the NFL in sacks: How he's done it and what records are within reach
rick6668
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Odd thing to say. Rudolph never claimed to have remained silent.
What we know:
1. No one on the field (other than Garrett) heard the "N" word. No Steeler, no Brown, no referee, no one on either coaching staff or NFL personnel or media person.
2. Garrett did not tell anyone Rudolph used a racial slur as he left the field, was on the sideline, as he was being escorted to the locker room or in the locker room
3. No Browns player or coach, many of whom are personal friends with the Steelers, told any of the Steelers players or coaches that Rudolph used a racial slur
4. The NFL conducted an investigation and could find no evidence or anyone to corroborate Garrett's claim
This is not a case of he said, she said unless you believe that Rudolph whispered it to Garrett and Garrett became enraged enough to rip off Rudolph's helmet and whack him on the head yet never verbalize that he had just been called the "N" word. It is human nature that anyone in that situation would have been yelling "he called me a N" to anyone and everyone. He certainly wouldn't have apologized to Rudolph after the game.
This simply the case of a guy that acted badly and was looking for the only excuse he could use to get sympathy. And it worked like a charm: people are actually siding with him after he slugged a guy with a helmet, made baseless accusations of racism and then doubled-down after being reinstated. We live in a crazy world...
daveR
Footballguy
It says in this article that he wasn't silent about it. On the other hand, I'm not here to guess the truth.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I’m not so sure what’s so odd about my statement.
Anyway, has Rudolph clarified what he did say during the altercation? I know he has clarified that he didn’t call Garrett the N-word but I haven’t seen where Rudolph let anyone know what he did say.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It is odd because no one ever claimed that Rudolph was silent. The question is whether or not Rudolph said the N word. Rudolph says no and the only person in the stadium that heard it was Garrett.
These tweets are from a longtime current NFL scout, fwiw:
@NFLScoutVet
I don’t like to talk bad about specific people but don’t trust anything that comes out of Dorsey’s mouth. He is a very good evaluator but he lies all the time and is hard to deal with. There is a reason he didn’t last long as GM twice. Will flat out lie to your face blatantly.
@NFLScoutVet
However, you could say it takes a liar to know a liar and Dorsey is a big time liar. Has screwed over many people I know.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes that is a recent story and very odd that Dorsey never mentioned it to the media until now.
I am not trying to guess the truth I am just looking at human nature. Garrett was involved in a very heated situation, supposedly after being called a N, and immediately after the incident he didn't say anything to anyone on the field, nor plead his case to the officials as he was being ejected. Then the next day issues this statement:
“Last night, I made a terrible mistake, I lost my cool and what I did was selfish and unacceptable. I know that we are all responsible for our actions and I can only prove my true character through my actions moving forward. I want to apologize to Mason Rudolph, my teammates, our entire organization, our fans and to the NFL. I know I have to be accountable for what happened, learn from my mistake and I fully intend to do so."
Does this sound like a guy that was racially slandered and rightfully angry about it?
Oh well, I've said my peace. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.
Yenrub
Footballguy
#1 there always seems to be some sort of trash talking going on during football games in general
#2 when 2 guys get into a “fight’ on the field they typically jaw back and forth with one another
It also looks like Rudolph has his mouth open while going after Garrett (just before he gets hit with the helmet) and I recall seeing a still shot when they are on the ground together where it looks like Rudolph’s mouth is open. Of course he could be just breathing through his mouth and not talking.
You are probably right. I was legit asking because I see a lot of people who want to know what Rudolph said and I was unsure if it was verified he actually said something.
Either way this is something I'm about 100% sure he'd have been asked and answered when the NFL investigated it.
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daveR
Footballguy
I'm not sure, being a white guy, just how angry I would get over this sort of thing. IMO, the whole thing was unnecessary, a little late, and a little "dirty" in that the ball was gone & Garrett persisted in his tackle. I don't usually dis a player for playing until 0:00 if he chooses, but at least err on the clean side. I don't blame Rudolph for being pissed, and his reaction, with or without the racial slur, isn't beyond reasonable, in my eyes. The only thing I suggest is that a whole lot of people reacted emotionally, in a knee-jerk fashion, over the helmet being swung when Rudolph re-engaged. There was a whole lot of dumb by a whole lot of players, and Garrett needs to learn to keep his cool in those situations. Apparently he's a pretty awesome guy when he does -- off the field.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
In the heat of the moment I understand Garrett losing his cool up to the point where he ripped the helmet off Rudolph and whacked him upside the head. I've never seen such a thing in an NFL game and have been watching since the 60's. He is really lucky he didn't seriously injure or kill Rudolph.
As far as whether Garrett is an awesome dude off the field I do not know but accusing someone of being a racist and then doubling down on it with zero evidence is pretty reprehensible. I guess this kind of stuff doesn't bother people anymore... now it is perfectly okay to make baseless claims about others to deflect blame for your bad behavior.
daveR
Footballguy
If that's what really happened, I would agree with you. As irate as Rudolph was though, I doubt he was silent throughout. It seems more likely that something was said and I don't hold it against him regardless of what terms he used. My perfectly worthless guess is that it's 50-50 whether or not he uttered the word versus Garrett hearing what he wanted to hear in the heat of the moment.
It's kinda interesting how local reporting gives us some insight into "our" guys which somewhat shapes our opinions and lack of same allows us skip that step for the "other" guys.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am not basing anything on local reporting. Again I am looking at the lack of evidence (a pretty big factor) PLUS what I think would be a normal reaction from someone that had been racially slurred. You saw how emotional both teams were. It doesn't seem likely to me that Garrett wouldn't have been screaming to everyone on the field that Rudolph called him a N. Nor would he have said nothing about it as he was walking to the sideline and being escorted off the field after being ejected or in the locker room to all of his teammates. And it seems very unlikely that he would be taking full responsibility for his actions and personally apologizing to the man that supposedly called him a N just a few hours before. These are the facts.
I guess you can say it is 50-50 whether it was said or not but I contend It is far more likely Garrett was looking for a way to excuse his bad behavior and what better way to do so than to claim the guy you whacked on the head said the most egregious thing possible. And it worked like a charm.
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amnesiac
beer is good
never was a truer statement written on this site.
there’s plenty of terrible behavior excused for players depending on what color jersey they wear.
i can list several incidents by Steelers players off the top of my head that are way worse than what Garrett is being accused of.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. Every team has skeletons in their closets. I was not making comparisons to Garrett's actions vs anyone else. I was just commenting on this particular situation.
Bracie Smathers
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
The quote was I guess you can say it is 50-50 whether it was said or not. To me there is ZERO chance based on the lack of evidence and Garrett's own actions.From the Mason Rudolph thread.
Increase of 50% in three days.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Did he say the B-word?lod001 said:
100 per cent he said it and the other half he didn't.
"Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical."
"Eighty per cent of the balls that don't reach the hole don't go in."
"You give 100 per cent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left."
Baseball Hall of Famer Yogi Berra
Statorama
gangster
rockaction
Footballguy
Since he grabbed a man's helmet and tried smashing through his skull with it? That's all. Nothing more to see here. Not a dirty player. Move on.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
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Faust
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