Deadwood (5 Viewers)

[kupcho1]

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst.  Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something.  I could be 180degrees off here though.

I can't remember if he had something from Walcott or not, but whether he does or doesn't it would seem to be neutralized by Hearst having an account of Tolliver's participation. That being said, I find it hard to believe that Tolliver isn't up to something. He didn't seem like someone who would accept the role of lapdog so readily before.

OK, so he did have something. And I thin Tolliver's threat to Hearst is much more problematic for Hearst, than Hearts's is for Tolliver. Hearst has much much more to lose.

Nice to see Tolliver working again.

 

[mojorizin]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst.    IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered. 

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

 

[Neo]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst. IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

This is something a co-worker and I were discussing this morning. I think Hearst has much more protection at the camp then we think. I'm sure a man of his power and money has a lot more then the Captain watching his back. My guess is there are people all over the camp that are essentially invisible to us but are watching and protecting Hearst. Also, make no mistake, a guy with his money and power has powerful friends. If something happens to him there will be powerful people looking to take revenge. Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

 

[The noD]

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

They've done a good enough job by me of selling the fact that a guy like George Hearst taking a bullet in Deadwood would be detrimental to the forward thinking of the town's leaders. It seems like Al, himself, is part of Hearst's "protection". My disbelief is sufficiently suspended.And kudos to McRaney for being such a convincing snake. I was a little skeptical of Major Dad's ability at first, but send the guy an Emmy.

 

[mojorizin]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst.    IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered. 

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

This is something a co-worker and I were discussing this morning. I think Hearst has much more protection at the camp then we think. I'm sure a man of his power and money has a lot more then the Captain watching his back. My guess is there are people all over the camp that are essentially invisible to us but are watching and protecting Hearst. Also, make no mistake, a guy with his money and power has powerful friends. If something happens to him there will be powerful people looking to take revenge. Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

I would think thats the case, but the show portrays illiterate saloon owners as hyperintelligent Machiavellian geniuses that are deathly afraid of a rich guy alone in a hotel. Like anyone would know what happened to him in a place like Deadwood. Hell, he was out looking at a claim and got snatched by indians. What the hell. I'm suspending disbelief here for the sake of the best show on the telly.

 

[The noD]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst. IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

This is something a co-worker and I were discussing this morning. I think Hearst has much more protection at the camp then we think. I'm sure a man of his power and money has a lot more then the Captain watching his back. My guess is there are people all over the camp that are essentially invisible to us but are watching and protecting Hearst. Also, make no mistake, a guy with his money and power has powerful friends. If something happens to him there will be powerful people looking to take revenge. Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

He apparently has enough guards that two of them are expendable enough to sacrifice for the sake of leverage.

 

[Neo]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst. IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

This is something a co-worker and I were discussing this morning. I think Hearst has much more protection at the camp then we think. I'm sure a man of his power and money has a lot more then the Captain watching his back. My guess is there are people all over the camp that are essentially invisible to us but are watching and protecting Hearst. Also, make no mistake, a guy with his money and power has powerful friends. If something happens to him there will be powerful people looking to take revenge. Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

I would think thats the case, but the show portrays illiterate saloon owners as hyperintelligent Machiavellian geniuses that are deathly afraid of a rich guy alone in a hotel. Like anyone would know what happened to him in a place like Deadwood. Hell, he was out looking at a claim and got snatched by indians. What the hell. I'm suspending disbelief here for the sake of the best show on the telly.

Just knowing how Wolcott documented everything in the camp, I'm guessing Hearst has as well. I bet he's outlined who the players are, who are the threats, so if anything happens to him. Regardless of "how", his people would just assume it was those like Al, Tolliver, Bullock who had something to do with it. And just take them all out eventually.

 

[kupcho1]

The Hearst/Tolliver discussion is interesting, but I had another question that didn't get answered:

To paraphrase Hearst, when did Utter become a capon? What the hell happened to this once (at least marginally) interesting character?

 

[SFBayDuck]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes? It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said. I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

 

[Christo]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes? It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said. I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

Just imagine that every time one of the characters starts a sentence they are actually in mid-thought. And that they come back and clean it up at the end.

 

[jdoggydogg]

What an absolutely GREAT ####### show! It is a shame that this is the last season!

No doubt. Hard to believe it, but I think this is the best season of all, so far.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes? It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said. I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

It's almost like listening to Shakespeare. I often have to hit my 5 second TiVo rewind to hear the dialogue a few times.

 

[mojorizin]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes?  It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said.  I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

It's almost like listening to Shakespeare. I often have to hit my 5 second TiVo rewind to hear the dialogue a few times.

Sounds like Shakespeare with the word corksucker thrown in. I'm not certain about the authenticity, but who cares.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes?  It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said.  I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

It's almost like listening to Shakespeare. I often have to hit my 5 second TiVo rewind to hear the dialogue a few times.

Sounds like Shakespeare with the word corksucker thrown in. I'm not certain about the authenticity, but who cares.

I've read that the writing is attempting to be authentic. Certainly, some of these people are far too articulate. But it seems plausible that even an uneducated person would sound a lot different than a modern uneducated person.

 

[johnnycakes]

EB:

[scrubbing the floor]

You have been tested, Al Swearingen.

And your deepest purposes proved:

"There's gold on the woman's claim."

You might as well have shouted it from

the rooftops.

[EB speaks what he thinks are Al's thoughts...]

That's why I'm jumping through hoops

to get it back.

Thorough as I fleeced the fool she married,

I will fleece his widow, too.

Using loyal associates like

Eustace Bailey Farnum,

as my go-betweens and dukes.

To explain why I want her bought out,

I'll make a pretext of my fear

of the Pinkertons.

I'll throw Farnum a token fee. Why should I

reward EB with some small, fractional

participation in the claim?

Or let him even lay by

a little security

or source of continuing income for

his declining years?

What's he ever done for me?

Except let me terrify him

every god-damn day of his life

'till the idea of bowel regularity

is a forlone farkking hope?

Not to mention ordering

a man killed in one of

EB's rooms.

So every farking, free moment

of his life, EB has to spend

scrubbing the blood stains

off the god-damn floor.

...to keep him

from having

to lower

his rates.

G## DAMN!

Mother####er.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Farnum cracks me up.

 

[jestertj]

Does anyone else have trouble picking up all the dialogue on this show sometimes?  It's so unique that sometimes I'm just not sure what was just said.  I find myself once or twice every show rewinding to try and catch something, even going so far as hitting mute so I can read the CC every once in awhile.

It's almost like listening to Shakespeare. I often have to hit my 5 second TiVo rewind to hear the dialogue a few times.

I often save it on the Tivo and rewatch it later in the week of just catch a replay. Always seem to pick up a few more things in the dialog that way.

 

[Kraft...]

I'm definitely going to rewatch last nights episode.

 

[Joe Mammy]

Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

This is a great historical Deadwood read:DEADWOOD

Focuses on Charlie Udder and many of the charactors in the tv show. Al Swearengen was quite "queer" when it came to his sexual preferences and much preferred the companionship of young boys.

 

[yetiknight]

  Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

This is a great historical Deadwood read:DEADWOOD

Focuses on Charlie Udder and many of the charactors in the tv show. Al Swearengen was quite "queer" when it came to his sexual preferences and much preferred the companionship of young boys.

I have actually had no luck finding any references to Al Swear-engine. I will definately have to pick this book up.

 

[mojorizin]

  Al knows this, that's why he called himself "queer" last night for not going after Hearst.

This is a great historical Deadwood read:DEADWOOD

Focuses on Charlie Udder and many of the charactors in the tv show. Al Swearengen was quite "queer" when it came to his sexual preferences and much preferred the companionship of young boys.

I have actually had no luck finding any references to Al Swear-engine. I will definately have to pick this book up.

There are a couple of historical websites dealing with Deadwood. One of them compares the facts (or purported facts) to the series. Believe Al was actually born in Iowa. The girls of the Gem were lured there from the East with promises of being "entertainers" in the shows. When they arrived they had no way to return and no money and ended up in virtual sexual slavery. Both Al and his henchmen were worse to the girls than the patrons, although the Gem did become quite famous (infamous) and was even grander when rebuilt (greatest theatre in the West and all) before I believe being burned again and Al gave up and left Deadwood. Trixie is supposedly based on a whore tho actually did shoot a patron through the head and he lived a short time. Tolliver is believed to be completely fictional - just to give Al a competitor. I've seen one pic believed to be of Al but was from quite a distance and it wasnt proven to be him.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst. IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered.

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

They have already shown that Hearst has many agents in town. We haven't even seen them all yet.

 

[mojorizin]

Tolliver is now a dog working for Hearst.    IMO, Tolliver is going to be dead soon. Have a feeling Al will smell him out and have him murdered. 

My memory isn't what it used to be, but my recollection was that Tolliver did have something from Wolcott on Hearst. Tolliver "admitting" that he didn't wasn't surprising, and if my recollection is right, maybe Tolliver is up to something. I could be 180degrees off here though.BTW, what the hell happened to Charlie Utter as a character? He's nothing but bad comic(?) relief now.

Tolliver did have something on Hearst. He had the letter Wolcott wrote before killing himself implicating Hearst having knowledge and helping cover up all his murders. Tolliver was trying to use it to blackmail Hearst out of money. Tolliver didn't know though, that Hearst had letters from Wolcott saying that Tolliver helped dispose of the bodies he was killing in Deadwood.....which is 100% true. So essentially, Tolliver said to Hearst "F you, I have you in my pocket".....Hearst came back and said "F you harder, I have YOU in my pocket." Hearst seems to be real good at that.

Which is why a guy like Hearst surrounded by one guy and a cook would take a bullet in the head within a week in a place like Deadwood if every other character were really as wickedly intelligent as they make them appear in the show.

They have already shown that Hearst has many agents in town. We haven't even seen them all yet.

Not arguing what must be implied, but a lotta people with a lotta friends disappear in this show. Considering everyone including the children are murderous scalawag criminal masterminds in the program, he should have been dead the day he stepped off the stagecoach to get me to believe what they're selling.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood.

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two? I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season. Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

 

[jdoggydogg]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood.

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two? I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season. Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?   I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

 

[Bevo]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?    I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

Nope, me too. I thought they would have Charlie or Jane off him after a couple of episodes.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?    I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

Nope, me too. I thought they would have Charlie or Jane off him after a couple of episodes.

I thought when Charlie went to kick his hide after the whore house incident, he was going to make eye contact and realize who it was. Then it would have been on like Donkey Kong. Or, whatever video game was really big back in that era.

 

[Bevo]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?    I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

Nope, me too. I thought they would have Charlie or Jane off him after a couple of episodes.

I thought when Charlie went to kick his hide after the whore house incident, he was going to make eye contact and realize who it was. Then it would have been on like Donkey Kong. Or, whatever video game was really big back in that era.

That might have been a couple of years before Pong. OTOH, cow patty tossing contests and watermelon seed spitting contest were quite the rage at the county fair!

 

[yetiknight]

This is my stab at an editorial to explain the show's current direction.

The fact that Hearst is commanding the show now must bother many of us. We all look forward to Al stomping on anyone who thinks they can operate without his consent. But alas, real history tells us that Al Swearengen was no where near the level of cutthroat as George Hearst.

Deadwood is a microcosm of society in its early growth period. The crooks and criminals of today that make you afraid to walk down a dark alley at night still have no real place. The devils that steal from you and make you feel safe at the end of their strings are the ones who represent true evil.

While Sigh Tolliver and Al Swearengen try to pull themselves out of the gutter, so to speak. Hearst swallows up every thing in his path. They are not in his league. And they know it.

I guess you could look at it this way. Tolliver and Swearengen are pimps, pushers, hustlers if you will. They feed off of the weak. Hearst, on the other hand, takes whatever he wants from whoever has it. He represents all of the traits that you need to thrive in a capitolistic society.

Under most circumstances, murder is the answer for Al. But he has worked very hard to build Deadwood into what it has become. That would all disintegrate if he killed Hearst. It would almost certainly draw in the leaders of the surrounding territories. Hearst's money is driving the camp. The ramifications of that are not out of Al's realm of comprehension.

On the other hand, Hearst has to maintain some measure of civilized behavior in dealing with the hierarchy of Deadwood. He can only go so far before civil unrest forces him away. There are plenty who have little to lose from a violent act followed by a more southern residence. Dan Dority comes to mind.

 

[jdoggydogg]

This is my stab at an editorial to explain the show's current direction.

The fact that Hearst is commanding the show now must bother many of us. We all look forward to Al stomping on anyone who thinks they can operate without his consent. But alas, real history tells us that Al Swearengen was no where near the level of cutthroat as George Hearst.

Deadwood is a microcosm of society in its early growth period. The crooks and criminals of today that make you afraid to walk down a dark alley at night still have no real place. The devils that steal from you and make you feel safe at the end of their strings are the ones who represent true evil.

While Sigh Tolliver and Al Swearengen try to pull themselves out of the gutter, so to speak. Hearst swallows up every thing in his path. They are not in his league. And they know it.

I guess you could look at it this way. Tolliver and Swearengen are pimps, pushers, hustlers if you will. They feed off of the weak. Hearst, on the other hand, takes whatever he wants from whoever has it. He represents all of the traits that you need to thrive in a capitolistic society.

Under most circumstances, murder is the answer for Al. But he has worked very hard to build Deadwood into what it has become. That would all disintegrate if he killed Hearst. It would almost certainly draw in the leaders of the surrounding territories. Hearst's money is driving the camp. The ramifications of that are not out of Al's realm of comprehension.

On the other hand, Hearst has to maintain some measure of civilized behavior in dealing with the hierarchy of Deadwood. He can only go so far before civil unrest forces him away. There are plenty who have little to lose from a violent act followed by a more southern residence. Dan Dority comes to mind.

Well said. Still, I'd love to see Al stick a knife in Hearst's neck.

 

[Christo]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?    I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

Nope, me too. I thought they would have Charlie or Jane off him after a couple of episodes.

I thought when Charlie went to kick his hide after the whore house incident, he was going to make eye contact and realize who it was. Then it would have been on like Donkey Kong. Or, whatever video game was really big back in that era.

What the hell are you talking about? It was the same actor, not the same character.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I was a little bit behind, and just recently got caught up to speed on Deadwood. 

One thing that bothered me, and I'm hoping someone touched on, was why did they have the guy that played Hickock's killer come back and play someone else in season two?    I kept waiting for some amazing turn of events to end the season.  Turns out they really just ran out of actors and tried to play the viewer for an idiot.

Did they ever give a reason for this idiotic move?

It didn't bother me, mainly because this is done so often in TV. Law & Order does this all the time. And Dennis Franz played two different characters on Hill St. Blues.

It only bothered me because I kept waiting for the plot twist. Remember when Cy wanted to introduce him to the two idiots and the cat was like, "I don't want to meet them." Then he hid his head. I kept waiting for Bullock to finally run into him and realize who it was.Was it really just me?

Nope, me too. I thought they would have Charlie or Jane off him after a couple of episodes.

I thought when Charlie went to kick his hide after the whore house incident, he was going to make eye contact and realize who it was. Then it would have been on like Donkey Kong. Or, whatever video game was really big back in that era.

What the hell are you talking about? It was the same actor, not the same character.

Ummmm, exactly. Why have the same actor play two parts? Did they run out of actors in Hollywood?

 

[aardball44]

Why have the same actor play two parts? Did they run out of actors in Hollywood?

I remember reading at the time that (Creator, Executive Producer and Head Writer) David Milch was impressed by the actor who portrayed Jack McCall, and decided he wanted to work with him again during the second season of Deadwood.While both characters were essentially scumbags, their two personalities were polar opposites.

I didn't mind at all that both characters were played by the same actor.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Why have the same actor play two parts? Did they run out of actors in Hollywood?

I remember reading at the time that (Creator, Executive Producer and Head Writer) David Milch was impressed by the actor who portrayed Jack McCall, and decided he wanted to work with him again during the second season of Deadwood.While both characters were essentially scumbags, their two personalities were polar opposites.

I didn't mind at all that both characters were played by the same actor.

It's not, so much, that I minded he played two parts. I just kept waiting for someone to realize that he was "the guy that killed Wild Bill." Granted, I'm an idiot. But so are a lot of people. I don't need no stinkin' TV show to rub it in my face.

 

[Wingnut]

No discussion on the latest episode?? I thought it was great....and its been a while since we had one of Al's "BJ rants". Good stuff

Next week looks awesome with Dan and the Captain butting heads and Bullock going after Hearst

 

[jdoggydogg]

No discussion on the latest episode?? I thought it was great....and its been a while since we had one of Al's "BJ rants". Good stuff Next week looks awesome with Dan and the Captain butting heads and Bullock going after Hearst

I think this season is shaping up to be the best TV drama ever broadcasted. Every moment is perfect. This is pure art. Better than 90% of films, as well.

 

[Red Apples]

No discussion on the latest episode?? I thought it was great....and its been a while since we had one of Al's "BJ rants". Good stuff    Next week looks awesome with Dan and the Captain butting heads and Bullock going after Hearst

I think this season is shaping up to be the best TV drama ever broadcasted. Every moment is perfect. This is pure art. Better than 90% of films, as well.

uh, its not that great..good yes.check out the wire to see the best show ever.

 

[jdoggydogg]

No discussion on the latest episode?? I thought it was great....and its been a while since we had one of Al's "BJ rants". Good stuff    Next week looks awesome with Dan and the Captain butting heads and Bullock going after Hearst

I think this season is shaping up to be the best TV drama ever broadcasted. Every moment is perfect. This is pure art. Better than 90% of films, as well.

uh, its not that great..good yes.check out the wire to see the best show ever.

I am a big fan of The Wire. I've seen every episode.

 

[Joe Mammy]

Eyepoppin' episode, best yet!

The Dan vs Hearst Honcho fight was EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[acefootball]

I think every episode this year has been fantastic. Gonna when this season is over.

 

[PIK95]

Tonights episode was one of my all time favorites. I'm not going to spoil anything for the west coast right now with comments. I love Bullock though. He has come a long way in managing his emotions and becoming a great sheriff IMO.

 

[Marc Levin]

No discussion on the latest episode?? I thought it was great....and its been a while since we had one of Al's "BJ rants". Good stuff    Next week looks awesome with Dan and the Captain butting heads and Bullock going after Hearst

I think this season is shaping up to be the best TV drama ever broadcasted. Every moment is perfect. This is pure art. Better than 90% of films, as well.

uh, its not that great..good yes.check out the wire to see the best show ever.

The Wire is great.Deadwood's better.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think every episode this year has been fantastic. Gonna when this season is over.

Then we get two two hour episodes and then it is over.I'm actually pretty psyched with that outcome.

 

[Marc Levin]

p.s. - just played a REAL man's drinking game -I took a shot every time someone on the screen took a shot - I was doing okay until the last 5 minutes of the show.

Three in a row at Tolliver's bar put me over.

 

[trogg78]

Captain might have won if he had rubbed grease all over himself like dan instead of doing those wussy stretches.

 

[guru_007]

Might have been my favorite television episode ever.

 

[RBM]

What a freakin episode, wow

What a fight that was, two heavyweight titans fighting to the death...epic!

Rough episode for Hearst finally. His right-hand man gets beaten to death right in front of him and he gets dragged across camp by his ear at gunpoint.

Good for Ellsworth leaving Alma too

Cant wait for next week

 

[Crimson Hawk]

Probably the best season yet (or at least as good as season 1).

 

[jestertj]

Been looking forward to the showdown with Dan and the captain. Needless to say, there was no disappointment. That was pretty brutal. Have to watch it again this week.