DeAngelo vs JStewart (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

That was me who said Stewart wasn't a startable FF RB because of how he scored his points. But I wasn't really talking about year to year consistency, year N to year N+1, etc. Rather I was talking about the unpredictability of Stewart's scoring. He'd get 5 carries for 27 yards, 3 carries for 14 yards, than 12 carries for 128 yards. He also would "go off" against teams that you didn't expect, and lay an egg against teams you'd expect him to dominate. For that reason, I consider him unstartable. As a RB3 or flex, I'd be comfortable with him, but out of my top 2 RBs, I want guys who are going to get consistent carries/touches, and therefore offer the opportunity for consistent points.

Right, and I'm saying that game-to-game consistency is probably the most overrated trait in fantasy players. Guys who are wildly inconsistent one year will be so reliable you can set your watch to them the next year, and vice versa. And even if a player is inconsistent, it's not the negative blow to his value that everyone seems to think it is.

 

[tsarc888]

any word on whether Stewart might see some game action tonight? All reports have him progressing nicely and working more and more with the team in practice. Would be nice to see him get a few carries.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Yeah I'd like to know also.

 

[jude]

Stewart destroyed some of the best D's to end last season - when they knew they were running and coudln't pass at all. ...It will be a near 50-50 split

Some of the best Defenses? You seem to have a funny definition of the word "best". Stewart topped 100 yards in 4 of his last 5 games. Those defenses ranked 32nd, 6th, 14th, and 26th in YPA allowed. That Minnesota defense was stout, no doubt, but Stewart had 25/109/1 (4.36 ypc) rushing against them- it seems you have a funny definition of "destroyed", too.As for the second part... Carolina has absolutely no reason to use Stewart any differently this year than they did last year prior to DeAngelo's injury. Again... Stewart didn't have more rushing yards than Williams in any game where they both played more than a quarter. Stewart's a stud, no question whatsoever. So's Williams.

Those rush Defenses were actually 2nd, 14th, 21st and 32nd. Just so you know. Stewart did destroye Minnesota to the tune of 123 yards from scrimmage and 2 scores. His per touch average was 4.55. The very next week he torched the Giants for 232 total yards and a 7.36 YPC.

 

[SSOG]

Some of the best Defenses? You seem to have a funny definition of the word "best". Stewart topped 100 yards in 4 of his last 5 games. Those defenses ranked 32nd, 6th, 14th, and 26th in YPA allowed. That Minnesota defense was stout, no doubt, but Stewart had 25/109/1 (4.36 ypc) rushing against them- it seems you have a funny definition of "destroyed", too.

As for the second part... Carolina has absolutely no reason to use Stewart any differently this year than they did last year prior to DeAngelo's injury. Again... Stewart didn't have more rushing yards than Williams in any game where they both played more than a quarter. Stewart's a stud, no question whatsoever. So's Williams.

Those rush Defenses were actually 2nd, 14th, 21st and 32nd. Just so you know. Stewart did destroye Minnesota to the tune of 123 yards from scrimmage and 2 scores. His per touch average was 4.55.

The very next week he torched the Giants for 232 total yards and a 7.36 YPC.

A little late to the party, aren't we? Kind of a bizarre thread to bump at this point.I already said that those defenses ranked 32nd, 6th, 14th, and 26th in terms of YPA allowed. In my opinion, that's generally a better measure of how stout a run defense is than yards allowed, because a lot of times a team with a great offense seems to have a pretty good run defense just because they score so many points that the other team has to abandon the run to try to catch up. Likewise, a team with a terrible offense might appear to have a terrible run defense just because the other team is always up by 21 points and taking the air out of the football in the 4th quarter. If you want to go with DVOA instead of YPA or yards allowed, the defenses ranked 1st, 22nd, 28th, and 29th, which actually makes it look even worse (1 game against a stellar run defense, and then three games racking up yards against total patsies). Regardless of what criteria you use, though, the point remains that it's absolutely RIDICULOUS to suggest that Stewart racked up his numbers against "some of the best run defenses in the league". He racked them up against Minnesota (an admittedly great run defense) and a punch of pushovers.

Second, maybe it's an issue of semantics, but I hardly think Stewart "destroyed" Minnesota. He had a great game against them, no question, but when I talk about a back who destroys a defense, I've got a much higher threshold than 120 total yards and a sub-5.0 ypc average. I think more along the lines of Ray Rice, who had 10/77/2 rushing and 10/117/0 receiving (on 11 targets) against Minnesota in week 6. That's destruction. Maybe it's just semantics, but I don't really think of the 42nd best fantasy game of the season as "destruction".

Edit: Also, for what it's worth, I didn't dispute the claim that defenses knew Carolina was running and couldn't pass at all, but that was a bunch of hogwash, too. Carolina ranked 13th over the final 5 weeks of the season in terms of fantasy points produced by the passing game. The yardage total was a little light (23rd), but their YPA was 9th in the league over that span, they were 9th in TDs, and their 8:1 TD:INT ratio was tops in the NFL. Matt Moore was quietly one of the most efficient passers in the entire league over the last 5 weeks of the season, and Steve Smith was putting up top-10 fantasy numbers over that span.

 

[dgr81]

FYI, Jeff Otah has been ruled OUT for this weekends game.

 

[steelwind]

FYI, Jeff Otah has been ruled OUT for this weekends game.

Welcome to last week.

 

[dgr81]

FYI, Jeff Otah has been ruled OUT for this weekends game.

Welcome to last week.

there was speculation that he might return this week, boosting the Panthers running game.feel free to add something useful to this thread.