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lol his analysis is pretty weak. But this Fox thing is worth investigating.
Williams was very green his rookie season. If you watched him play that season, it was clear to anyone, that he was not ready to be the starter. He wasn't ready last year either, but he did get more playing time. Fox has started rookies often, but he won't start them if they aren't ready, and RB is a position where you need to be ready. The Panthers plan on using Stewart a lot this year. I think it will be much like Jax w/ Taylor and MJD. Fox isn't the only person on the team that has commented on how much Williams has improved in the offseason, many of the players have made the same comment.Their offensive line is also much better this year, which will help both RB's.
I would assume that Williams gets the majority of the carries in the first couple of games but it would be a mistake for the Panthers not to give both RBs a decent amount of touches. I have Jonathan Stewart in 2 of 3 leagues I'm in but I fully expect a RBBC, both backs bring something very different to the table and they could be a potent 1-2 punch if used correctly. I don't see AD-Chester Taylor production, like someone said before they just don't have the O line Minny does plus they have a more potent passing game (in theory at least) but if used right they could be much more effective than Carolina's running game has been the last couple of years. All I know is that I wouldn't want to have to start either in anything other than a flex spot until it's clear what they're going to do there.
So you're saying Williams is going to be an every down workhorse to start the season? Considering Fox already said that they were going to focus on the run game this year and they were running it over 30 times per game last year (some games well over) I highly doubt Williams will see over 80% of those touches. I can see Stewart being limited in the first game just so he can get a feel for everything but after that you're kidding yourself if you think Williams will be an every down RB.
I think he was talking about Kordell Stewart.
Hmmm... Looks to em like you're thinking twice about it.First, I am a Deangelo Williams owner, and not a Stewart owner. So, I almost can't help but be biased.
Not really. Don't see much room for comparison.
I've seen this comparison several times and i don't think it's anywhere near this type of situation. The people who say it's more like Taylor/MJD are probably closer to being correct. 1) Carolina's Oline <> Minnesota's and 2) Stewart <> ADP I wouldn't be surprised to see Carolina go with what the Giants did last night of rolling their RB's and giving Williams a series or two, then Stewart a series. Then as the game/season progresses the "hot hand" will get 2 series to the others 1. This keeps them both fresh and keeps the more productive player (for that particular game) in the game. For Game 1 I'd expected 15-20 Carries for Williams and 8-13 carries for Stewart.
It's the most wonderful time of the year! Expectations and prognostications come crashing to the ground, as the sky comes tumbling in. Fully fifty percent of H2H matchups are LOST, even by sharks!Players underproduce and disappoint. Folks forget that all players have bad weeks. Week One in the NFL is often (not always) a rough week for fantasy stats across the board. Bad games happen. But many on the board seem to forget this completely. Come Monday, we'll hear from folks needing X number of points from player Y and Z, in sixty-two different threads.Come Monday, there'll be that trick play (which isn't really a trick play) which many fantasy leagues "score wrong".Come Tuesday, there'll be fairness rants and general mayhem. (Sadly true, but dogs will be kicked.)I love Week One!
I think that's probably about right but I don't see any wheels coming off anywhere. Being a Stewart owner I expect his workload to start pretty low and gradually increase through the season, that being said I don't know how anyone can expect either RB carry a full load. Based on vastly different skill sets I wouldn't be suprised if we see carries vary from 6 or 7 to 20+ carries per game for both RBs depending on the game and the situation.
I don't see it being an alternating series, ride the hot hand in that game kind of thing as someone posted above. It could be, but I'm guessing it'll be a solid 70/30 split or so in most games, and the back getting the 70% will be determined mostly on matchups with the opposing defense and game situations. I don't see Fox making sure each guy gets "his share" every game, but he probably won't be afraid to mix up who's getting the bulk from game to game based on the defense they're facing. Obviously if the lead guy is struggling, he might get yanked, but this is a very good run offense and I don't see that happening very often. They'll both put up RB2 numbers overall this year but I'm guessing there will be too much fluctuation from game to game for anyone to feel safe starting either one as an actual RB2. RB3/Flex, they're both great options.
The interesting thing here is that both guys have the ability to break a long one. The bad news is that it could be either one any given week and will make it look in the box score like that guy was the better RB based upon YPC.I don't know if Fox will be swayed by these big plays or not, but he didn't seem too impressed by Williams's higher YPC last year. I suspect that as long as Williams looks strong between the tackles, it's going to be 60/40. The heat will stay on Williams all season but he'll get the touches as long as he's productive. I just don't see Fox messing with the chemistry to get Stewart more carries if the team is rolling along and positioning themselves for the playoffs...he's on thin ice as it is and wants to keep his job and the way to do that is to make it to the playoffs.The roster cost (incentive hallmarks aside) is the same no matter which RB carries the rock. So is Fox's paycheck. It's all about the W's.There were a lot of people talking about how tough the Carolina matchups were this first month and how that might hurt Williams. While it is week 1 when wierdness abounds, and the SD defense was not 100%, I was pretty impressed with Williams's production today.
it'll be 1:1 before the end of the season
It was truly hilarious to see a starting RB who averged 5.0 last year available so late in so many leagues. I don't care if it does end up a 50/50 split late in the year, he's still worth more than I paid for him. I don't actually believe it will end up as a 50/50 split. I think the same coach has already showed us how he handles this type of situation with Foster and DWill.
I don't know if I'd consider 20 carries a RBBC either. I've thought all along DWill will get more carries early in the season and slowly decrease throughout, and Stew will increase his carries throughout the year. If that's the case, I was expecting somewhere around a 2:1 ratio for the first few games. BUT - My thought was Stew would slightly outperform DWill which would result in more carries. So far through pre-season and week 1, DWill has given me no reason to think his role will decrease - YETkevinallen said:
based on.....?sounds like an overly optimistic j-stew owner.
Neither does Minnesota tonight.
Any additional comments? Did anyone see the game?
Williams started the game and Stewart finished it. Stewart looked good, strong and fast.
I watched most of it. Williams was used a lot early. Stewart came in late and had some very big plays. He seemed hard to bring down. He looked like the better option, though not as clearly as Taylor vs. ADP last year. The problem is, they bring different talents to the table. I own Stewart, not Williams. He was on my bench today (worse luck!) but I don't know if I will start him. It remains unclear to me that he's going to get the bulk of carries anytime soon.
At least that would make sense
