Deangelo Williams (1 Viewer)

[Tau837]

it's unlikely Williams carries are going to increase this year

I disagree. He was 9th in the league in carries last season with 273. Stewart is hurt and hasn't been practicing. I know Goodson has looked good, but I don't see him as good enough to take significant carries from Williams. I think Williams could easily have more carries this season.

Guess who didn't have an increase in carries.

I projected 16 games, and he essentially missed 4. Fox gave him 41 carries in the first 3 games, all losses, then ramped up the carries as he should have done from the start, and Williams had 156 carries over the next 8 games, and he played very well over that stretch. Then he got hurt only had 19 total carries in the last 5 games.Who knows what would have happened had he not gotten hurt. He could easily have had another 60+ carries, in which case I would have been right. Kudos to you if you projected him to miss multiple games... didn't see you mention that in the thread. And also let me say that I think John Fox is a terrible coach IMO. He gave Williams 16 carries against Atlanta, despite the fact that he averaged 4.9 ypc in that games... and 11 carries against Dallas, despite the fact that he averaged 5.8 ypc in that game... and 16 carries against Buffalo, despite the fact that he averaged 5.6 ypc in that game... and 13 carries against Miami, despite the fact that he averaged 9.4 ypc in that game... and 13 carries against New England, despite the fact that he averaged 6.3 ypc in that game. Guess what? Carolina lost all of those games, and none by more than 2 possessions.

 

[Tau837]

I personally think he will be traded heading into the year.

I don't see that happening. His salary in 2010 ($725K) is a steal, and by far the best thing the team has going for it is its running game. Stewart looks great, but if the Panthers traded Williams and Stewart were to get hurt, they'd be left with Goodson and Sutton to carry the offense. : Unless you think they are going to draft another RB this year... but why do that when they can just keep Williams for a cheap price?

While I see your point you can also make the arguement that his low price tag could garnett Carolina more in a trade from another team. It's hard to get a rb in his prime, without alot of mileage with a low pricetag ($$$$$$).Williams offers this for a team.I know a few years ago E. James and S. Alexander's value weren't worth a #2 but you have to remember they were quickly approaching 30 with along of miles on them and awaiting big $$$$. Williams is cheap this year and while wanting a nice chunk of change not expecting top rb salary in 2011.While Goodson and Sutton aren't on the same page with Stewart and DWill they are very nice backups.I can't see Carolina keeping both JStew and Dwill long term, they might as well get something in return for him this year.

But I don't see any team trading anything of value for him unless they can extend his contract... which means they won't get him for a cheap price. If a team is going to trade for him and just play out the remaining year on his contract, I don't see them giving much for him.I also don't know that Carolina is confident enough in Stewart's ability to handle a heavy workload for 16 games to trade Williams.

 

[gianmarco]

I personally think he will be traded heading into the year.

I don't see that happening. His salary in 2010 ($725K) is a steal, and by far the best thing the team has going for it is its running game. Stewart looks great, but if the Panthers traded Williams and Stewart were to get hurt, they'd be left with Goodson and Sutton to carry the offense. : Unless you think they are going to draft another RB this year... but why do that when they can just keep Williams for a cheap price?

While I see your point you can also make the arguement that his low price tag could garnett Carolina more in a trade from another team. It's hard to get a rb in his prime, without alot of mileage with a low pricetag ($$$$$$).Williams offers this for a team.I know a few years ago E. James and S. Alexander's value weren't worth a #2 but you have to remember they were quickly approaching 30 with along of miles on them and awaiting big $$$$. Williams is cheap this year and while wanting a nice chunk of change not expecting top rb salary in 2011.While Goodson and Sutton aren't on the same page with Stewart and DWill they are very nice backups.I can't see Carolina keeping both JStew and Dwill long term, they might as well get something in return for him this year.

But I don't see any team trading anything of value for him unless they can extend his contract... which means they won't get him for a cheap price. If a team is going to trade for him and just play out the remaining year on his contract, I don't see them giving much for him.I also don't know that Carolina is confident enough in Stewart's ability to handle a heavy workload for 16 games to trade Williams.

The question is what kind of compensation Carolina will get for DeAngelo when the 2010 season is over and his contract is up. I don't know the specifics in regards to his contract and an uncapped year. He'll be a FA and I'm not sure Carolina would get anything.So, they can move him now, make Stewart the starter, and draft another RB (which is actually what they've been doing the last few years) and get some compensation back or they can keep him for cheap and then either tag him or let him walk (I think). Who knows...

 

[gianmarco]

it's unlikely Williams carries are going to increase this year

I disagree. He was 9th in the league in carries last season with 273. Stewart is hurt and hasn't been practicing. I know Goodson has looked good, but I don't see him as good enough to take significant carries from Williams. I think Williams could easily have more carries this season.

Guess who didn't have an increase in carries.

There you go again.DeAngelo Williams got hurt in week 12. Now, unless you were predicting injury (which you obviously weren't), then let's just use the first 10 games (through week 11) to determine what DeAngelo was doing.DeAngelo Williams:2008 -- 274 carries2009 -- 181 carries in 10 games. Prorates to 289 carriesJonathan Stewart:2008 -- 183 carries2009 -- 110 carries in 10 games. More importantly--2008 -- DeAngelo/Stewart % split: 60% vs. 40%2009 thru 10 games -- DeAngelo/Stewart % split: 63% vs. 37%So, not only was DeAngelo on pace to finish with more carries before he got hurt, he was actually getting a larger % of the distribution between himself and Stewart. But good job predicting he'd get hurt and not get the same # of carries as he did while healthy in 2008. He surely was on pace to not make it before an injury in week 12

 

[Cawbird]

I'm not going to join in and bash everyone's predictions and say "look at me....look at me.....I was right". Let's look at the real picture and quit living in the past.

The season is now over, Williams got hurt, and Stewart looked great in place of Williams. But.....there were other factors involved:

1. Moore took over at QB. Less int's to kill drives and there was actually a passing threat from Carolina.

2. The defense really came around and they had leads they could hold on to.

3. It appears that Foxx must have learned his lesson around week 6 or 7 and realized that you don't have to abondon the run in the 2nd half when you are down by less than 10 points. That is what was happening the 1st half of the season, and as an earlier poster pointed out......D. Williams had a low carry total each game early on.

4. As Williams was getting more carries per game, it also appeared that we was starting to break longer runs and I thought he was going to start producing some of those long td runs of 2008.

5. This is a contract year for D. Williams which may motivate him even more.

There are some important factors to watch for in the off-season. I would love to see Fox gone and bring in a HC that knows his strength......run the football! If the spilit continues to be 60-40 in favor of Williams........he will get plenty of action, and hopefully more receptions too. Stewart will still play an important role in the offense.........but I say that D. Williams goes highly underrated in 2010!!!!!!!

 

[switz]

it's unlikely Williams carries are going to increase this year

I disagree. He was 9th in the league in carries last season with 273. Stewart is hurt and hasn't been practicing. I know Goodson has looked good, but I don't see him as good enough to take significant carries from Williams. I think Williams could easily have more carries this season.

Guess who didn't have an increase in carries.

There you go again.DeAngelo Williams got hurt in week 12. Now, unless you were predicting injury (which you obviously weren't), then let's just use the first 10 games (through week 11) to determine what DeAngelo was doing.

DeAngelo Williams:

2008 -- 274 carries

2009 -- 181 carries in 10 games. Prorates to 289 carries

But good job predicting he'd get hurt and not get the same # of carries as he did while healthy in 2008. He surely was on pace to not make it before an injury in week 12

First off, did you notice the ? Nice job getting your panties in a bunch.Second, DA only had 3 games of 20+ carries, I'm hard pressed to think he'd get 20 in the three games he missed, to exceed 274. It's possible, but let's not let "projections" get in the way of facts.

ETA - if you read the original post that Just Win Baby was replying to, you'll see the context ofnumber of carries was actually in reference to TDs per carry, and that I didn't believe his carries would increase enough for his TDs to stay high while his TDs/carry would drop. I guess that's neither here nor there, but it was another point I was correct about.

 

[Tau837]

Second, DA only had 3 games of 20+ carries, I'm hard pressed to think he'd get 20 in the three games he missed, to exceed 274. It's possible, but let's not let "projections" get in the way of facts.

From my previous post, Williams had only 19 carries in the last 5 games due to injury. In the 8 games prior to that, he had 156 carries - 19.5 per game. I think it is pretty safe to say he would have had 60+ more carries if he didn't get hurt.

 

[switz]

Second, DA only had 3 games of 20+ carries, I'm hard pressed to think he'd get 20 in the three games he missed, to exceed 274. It's possible, but let's not let "projections" get in the way of facts.

From my previous post, Williams had only 19 carries in the last 5 games due to injury. In the 8 games prior to that, he had 156 carries - 19.5 per game. I think it is pretty safe to say he would have had 60+ more carries if he didn't get hurt.

You also cited in your post the number of times he had less than 20, and of course the stupidity of John Fox. Hehe.

 

[Tau837]

Second, DA only had 3 games of 20+ carries, I'm hard pressed to think he'd get 20 in the three games he missed, to exceed 274. It's possible, but let's not let "projections" get in the way of facts.

From my previous post, Williams had only 19 carries in the last 5 games due to injury. In the 8 games prior to that, he had 156 carries - 19.5 per game. I think it is pretty safe to say he would have had 60+ more carries if he didn't get hurt.

You also cited in your post the number of times he had less than 20, and of course the stupidity of John Fox. Hehe.

Touche