DEBATE TIME. How much better is Maroney over Addai for next year (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Ok, just wanted to ask since i was in debate with a fellow owner in one of my leagues that thinks Addai is nowhere near Maroney.

I also will say Maroney will be a high 1st rounder next year in most dynasty drafts...but on that same token, Addai wont be too low of a pic now that he's playing very well for Indy.

Maroney has all the STUD qualities you look for, seems like a perfect blend of Portis and SA.

Now Addai isnt chop liver himself...he has nice burst and moves as well, can catch and imo, he is in a better offense to put up better numbers. He is a nice all around rb imo. On indy and they way he will have nice open lanes pretty much of the time i think he will post some suprising numbers this year and next year.

whats the SHARK POOL take on this.

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

 

[Arnold. S]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

This a good question.

I also see Maroney as a top 5 dynasty pick nex year...dare i say that.

I also see Addai as a mid to low 2nd rounder too in next years draft.

But i will say, playing for Indy will help Addai a ton...from what i have seen of him he seems pretty good, better than what i had thought.

To be honest.....let me take this route on this issue....

the last few years EDGE was the indy rb...now to be fair EDGE was a helleva talent coming out of college and was a great rb to me before his injury, which killed his burst...he seemed to run very slow albeit a more patient runner. But being in that system alone gave EDGE very very GOOD fantasy #'s....which is that i can see for Addai. (thus me saying circumstance)

Ok on this same token....running wise...FRED TAYLOR has been one of the better runners with that perfect blend to come out in along time, true he has had his injury issues but Fred still runs with burst/power/quickness and is a threat to take it to the house on any play.

All im saying is that you have to factor in there situations. Indy will help Addai be a very good fantasy rb. Maroney is special...and should be very very good himself.

I think in terms of production, they will be kinda close next year.

 

[thatguy]

Maroney is obviously the better talent, and I don't think it's close. Maroney has the IT factor that you see in LJ, LT, Tiki, Portis, et al.

But I'm just not sold on whether the opportunity will be there. Belicheck tends to have role players rather than feature players (aside from Brady) and this year Maroney has been an obvious role player, sharing time in the backfield with Dillon and Faulk and returning kicks. There are a few questions that need to be answered. Will Dillon still be there? I don't know the details of his contract, but I could see him restructuring to remain a Patriot (as he seems far from done) and it wouldn't surprise me if he decided to finish his career a Patriot. Even if Dillon is not a Pat next year, will Maroney get the majority of the touches, or will they continue to utilize Faulk on third downs, maybe give some carries to Pass, or even bring in another guy for him to share time with? I don't know, I'm just not as sure as most seem to be that Maroney will be a 25 touch per game guy next season. Too many questions. Despite all this, he will be one of my keepers in a 2 keeper league, so I'm hoping for the best.

As for Addai, he is already getting 20+ touches per game as Rhodes is being increasingly phased out. He impressed me very much against Denver. He seems to have a wiggle that makes him very slippery, and he also rarely goes down on first contact. I think he'll definitely be the "feature" back next season in Indy, as he already seems to have assumed that role this season.

I don't know, in dynasty I would still take Maroney hands down. But for next season, I think Addai is more of a sure thing. I think he has a great chance to crack the top 10. If Maroney does become the man, he has top 5 potential, but I view that as a pretty big if.

 

[Pnishthm]

If you're talking about for next year, Addai seems like the better pick. As long as Dillon is still there and running decent for the Pats, I can't see him (Dillon) not getting significant playing time. Addai on the other hand should be the full time starter in Indy.

 

[Lauryn]

maroney>>>addai like, this year, and like next year, and like, forever.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

are any of you Addai owners moving him...i have yet to see him traded in any of my 6 dynasty leagues. Maroney has been traded in 3 of them and carries a hefty price tag, near LJ/LT prices....seen where twice he was in a deal for LT.

I have Addai and a few league and i swaer im not looking to sell on him...i been waiting for him to get more of the share in indy and last week showed that the switch has happened. So now i expect to see some nice numbers THIS YEAR as well as in the future for Addai.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

forgot to mention i also have Maroney in two of my dynasty leagues and i will send someone over to your house to hit you on the head with a hammer if you ask me to trade him.

He is one of my UNTOUCHABLES..... But on the same token, i wouldnt move Addai unless im upgrading to a KJ/R.Brown type of rb so i am very happy with him.

 

[Sopranos]

I said this before camp started. Addia will be a top 5 RB. Its the Indy offense.. Both will be good but fantasy wise Addai will out produce IMO

 

[zamboni]

I have Addai, but would rather have Maroney. As others have stated, Maroney has the speed, power and shiftiness you want to see from a stud RB. That is not to say that Addai can't be successful as well, but Maroney just seems more of a prototype feature back.

The way I see it, Maroney would in all likelihood perform much better than Addai if both were in unfavorable fantasy spots. But of course, they're not, so Addai's situation alone could make him nearly as much of a fantasy producer as Maroney in the next few years.

 

[djcolts]

I have Maroney in my keeper team league, and the Addai owner offered an Addai for Maroney trade, and I refused. I would still refuse, even though Addai will definitely be the #1 guy next year, and Maroney may still split with Dillon next year.

If I say that as a Colts fan and a fan of Addai, then I think that should make it pretty clear cut.

 

[Pnishthm]

maroney>>>addai like, this year, and like next year, and like, forever.

I'm still not so sure why everyone is so sold on Maroney being better than Addai fantasy wise. This year's stats thus far...Addai 490 rush yards 4.7 ypc 2 TDs 144 rec yards 1 TDMaroney 458 rush yards 4.3 ypc 3 TDs 109 rec yards 0 TDsNow I have seen Maroney run and he looks very good and may be the better RB, but you cannot just ignore the system that Addai is in. For their careers I'm not saying one will be better than the other, and I'm kind of surprised how many are certain that Maroney will be the better of the two. But I do not see how anyone can say with certainty that Maroney will outproduce Addai NEXT SEASON. Addai will likely be the fulltime starter while Maroney may still be splitting time.

 

[TheFanatic]

maroney>>>addai like, this year, and like next year, and like, forever.

I'm still not so sure why everyone is so sold on Maroney being better than Addai fantasy wise. This year's stats thus far...Addai 490 rush yards 4.7 ypc 2 TDs 144 rec yards 1 TDMaroney 458 rush yards 4.3 ypc 3 TDs 109 rec yards 0 TDsNow I have seen Maroney run and he looks very good and may be the better RB, but you cannot just ignore the system that Addai is in. For their careers I'm not saying one will be better than the other, and I'm kind of surprised how many are certain that Maroney will be the better of the two. But I do not see how anyone can say with certainty that Maroney will outproduce Addai NEXT SEASON. Addai will likely be the fulltime starter while Maroney may still be splitting time.

I think Addai will put up better numbers but Maroney is the better back. Sort of like Aikman was a hella QB, but not that great at putting up fantasy numbers. I think the Colts O is more dynamic and makes better use of the RB. The Pats O is a little more vanilla, and smash mouth at RB. Less chance for the RB to get open in space. With the WR's in Indy, the D has to spready itself out more than against New England. I'm not saying that Maroney will be the Aikman of Fantasy RB's. I just think the system he is in will stifle his talent a bit......

 

[hpnepon]

Ive got both in a keeper league. However, I'm much higher on Addai for next year. UNtill Dillion is out of the picture it's pretty obvious that Maroney isn't going to get to many TD's. Except for the fact that Maroney could bust it for a TD on any play. I think Maroney is the better all round back, but Addai's situation is just to good compared to NE's style of play.

 

[Otis]

 

[Restricted]

are any of you Addai owners moving him...i have yet to see him traded in any of my 6 dynasty leagues. Maroney has been traded in 3 of them and carries a hefty price tag, near LJ/LT prices....seen where twice he was in a deal for LT.

I have Maroney and was offered LT for him, Boldin and my first pick next year that right now looks to be in the first 4... I turned it down. Now questioning my self a bit but not too much.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Until training camp next year it'll be too hard to tell.

There's no preventing Indy from drafting another back or signing one in free agency. It's not likely, but it could happen.

NE might decide to part ways with Dillon and thus increase Maroney's value considerably.

IIRC, NE tends to run at the goal line more than the Colts and if Maroney has that role, that puts him ahead of Addai.

However, if their respective situations stay the same with the same type of workload I think Addai will have the better season next year.

I've tried to acquire Addai in two different dynasty leagues. In the first league the owner wanted Ronnie Brown straight up for Addai. I declined that offer. In the other league I looked to acquire Addai and was told that it would cost me Maroney and Steve Smith and I'd get Addai and Roy Williams or Housh in return. I haven't been able to bring myself to accept that deal, but I find myself leaning towards it as the trade deadline approaches.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

excellent responces thus far.

this is exactly what kinda answers i was looking for to gauge HOW MUCH more valuable is Maroney over Addai if any...

Since i see Maroney selling HIGH at ridiculous prices.

And have yet to see Addai trade but since i see now some thing him for Ronnie Brown is fair i now see whats his precieved market value.

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

 

[my man otis]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

I don't care if he'd win Dancing with the Stars...with the info we have right now he is and next year will be the feature RB on the best offense in the league. Sometimes opportunity > talent.That said, I believe both Dillon's and Rhodes' status with their respective teams is not solidified next year. Rhodes can be an UFA IIRC; the Pats hold an option on Dillon for 2007.

Addai is 12ish with or without Rhodes (in my league 80% of Addai + Rhodes = RB12). Maroney's status is much more fluid so if I had to choose b/t one of them right now for next year only it would have to be Addai. I will admit that using the same 80% logic Maroney would have slightly more points this year than Addai.

Dynasty/long-term, I believe Maroney is the better player so I'd go with him, but funny how the stats show up so far this year (above somewhere). If Dillon is gone for sure I would rank Maroney above him but not by much.

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

I don't care if he'd win Dancing with the Stars...with the info we have right now he is and next year will be the feature RB on the best offense in the league. Sometimes opportunity > talent.That said, I believe both Dillon's and Rhodes' status with their respective teams is not solidified next year. Rhodes can be an UFA IIRC; the Pats hold an option on Dillon for 2007.

Addai is 12ish with or without Rhodes (in my league 80% of Addai + Rhodes = RB12). Maroney's status is much more fluid so if I had to choose b/t one of them right now for next year only it would have to be Addai. I will admit that using the same 80% logic Maroney would have slightly more points this year than Addai.

Dynasty/long-term, I believe Maroney is the better player so I'd go with him, but funny how the stats show up so far this year (above somewhere). If Dillon is gone for sure I would rank Maroney above him but not by much.

Read the above posts in context and not just pick one post out that is a response to another poster on a specific topic and hijack it. To me, it does not matter what the numbers are this year. I am looking at this, as stated a few posts above, based on: talent (long term), ability to carry the load, and most of all, dynasty value. I could care less about the production of Addai and Rhodes together. As stated many times by many people here, you cannot take the combined workload of Rhodes and Addai and assume the Addai would get the SAME total workload. This is the same thing as assuming that Rhodes and Addai will get the same workload as Edge got last year. People do the same with WRs, and it just is not correct. Addai owners should hope that Rhodes continues to get some touches until Addai shows he can handle the load. I think using numbers of their production and breakdown of carries/touches at this point will allow people to come to false conclusions. We are only half way through the season and neither rookie RB started the season as the starter. Each rookie RB is in a different offense all together, but is (or will) slowly get more touches as the season progresses.

Both RBs benefit from being in RB-friendly offenses. Just look at Edge's numbers and see how Indy's offense and OLine aid RB production. And, with NE not having a stud WR, I see then Pats relying on the run as the weather gets colder. But, the Pats do one thing very well. They take what the defense gives them and capitalize.

Back on the topic of the OP, Maroney will be a top 10 dynasty pick next year, barring no injuries. Addai will not be valued near that high.

 

[redman]

Maroney is obviously the better talent, and I don't think it's close. Maroney has the IT factor that you see in LJ, LT, Tiki, Portis, et al. But I'm just not sold on whether the opportunity will be there. Belicheck tends to have role players rather than feature players (aside from Brady) and this year Maroney has been an obvious role player, sharing time in the backfield with Dillon and Faulk and returning kicks. There are a few questions that need to be answered. Will Dillon still be there? I don't know the details of his contract, but I could see him restructuring to remain a Patriot (as he seems far from done) and it wouldn't surprise me if he decided to finish his career a Patriot. Even if Dillon is not a Pat next year, will Maroney get the majority of the touches, or will they continue to utilize Faulk on third downs, maybe give some carries to Pass, or even bring in another guy for him to share time with? I don't know, I'm just not as sure as most seem to be that Maroney will be a 25 touch per game guy next season. Too many questions. Despite all this, he will be one of my keepers in a 2 keeper league, so I'm hoping for the best.As for Addai, he is already getting 20+ touches per game as Rhodes is being increasingly phased out. He impressed me very much against Denver. He seems to have a wiggle that makes him very slippery, and he also rarely goes down on first contact. I think he'll definitely be the "feature" back next season in Indy, as he already seems to have assumed that role this season.I don't know, in dynasty I would still take Maroney hands down. But for next season, I think Addai is more of a sure thing. I think he has a great chance to crack the top 10. If Maroney does become the man, he has top 5 potential, but I view that as a pretty big if.

I think Maroney's biggest asset is his talent, and his biggest question mark is the team he plays for (meaning, Belichick's love of division of labor).I think Addai's biggest asset is his team (the awesome offense and the history of a clearly-featured back), and his biggest question mark is his talent.

 

[Pnishthm]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

 

[Marc Levin]

I think they are both in ideal situation to succeed.

There's a great chance we are looking at the birth of two future perrenial top-5 fantasy RBs.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Wow. Didnt know so many like Addai, i thought the consensus viewed him as a JJ Arrington clone or basically a workout warrior for the NFL Combine. I myself am alittle bit guilty of this.

But watching Indy games this year he sure looks way better than Rhodes...if that holds any water....Looks faster, tougher to bring down, can catch and more importantly....he has Peytons confidence as a blocker.

TO BE HONEST FOLKS......this is one of those classic situations as i stated above where if you put a rb in a position to suceed, then he will post stella numbers ie (alot of denver rb's) EDGE (indy) D.Davis.

those guys were OK (edge after the injury) But there situations made them very very good stat producers. Addai is a nice all around rb to me...Im not sure what he dont have right now as a runner and with some saying he's indecisive right now....ugh i dunno about that but if he is thats the kinda thing that can be worked out...BUSH needs to learn alot of this as well. Addai shouldnt have to learn much with Indy as they mostly run STRECH to the right and STRECH to the left and those classic draw plays. Thing i do like about his situations is INDY more than likely will get up on opponents very quickly and he could have as much fun as he wants in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

Now back to Maroney....the skys the limit for him....I love his tenacity, however his offense is wierd to me..hell i saw NE come out and pass every play on there whole 1st drive one game when they just got Dillon...i was like that was wierd and as someone said above they take what there given. But that didnt seem true last sunday....they knew they could run down Indy's throat and was doing it....but they stop to go back to the brad show...SO im not sure Maroney will ever be used properly like a LJ type rb where the coach gonna force him at you regardless of situation. Not sure if they will use him how WAS uses Portis either....WAS makes sure they get Portis involved in ever facet of the game...they know who there playmaker is. Had Maroney landed in DEN the debate would look more like (how much better is LT than Maroney........??) Which really shows that the situation there in does really MATTER.

Ok thats there production value.

As far as dynasty value, Maroney have a nice bit of more value than Addai at the moment..Which in the coming weeks Addai's dynasty value will rise. Cause he will get more of the load and will probaly post way better numbers on a regular.

At the moment i see the top rookie dynasty value looking like this.

-Maroney

-Addai

-R.Bush (has lost ALOT of value, so low to the owners of him will just have to sit on him and wait for him to get it, his skillset is still far superior to most other rb's. But i hate to think they might really just make him a wr.....why not..)

-M.Drew

-Lendale

 

[Sopranos]

are any of you Addai owners moving him...i have yet to see him traded in any of my 6 dynasty leagues. Maroney has been traded in 3 of them and carries a hefty price tag, near LJ/LT prices....seen where twice he was in a deal for LT.

I have Maroney and was offered LT for him, Boldin and my first pick next year that right now looks to be in the first 4... I turned it down. Now questioning my self a bit but not too much.

I would have done it. The best fantasy NFL RB for a Rookie. A RB in NE will never reach the stats LT2 puts up..If you have some depth at WR it would do it now

 

[Sopranos]

Some of you need to watch Addai play. He is a powerful RB. He has great speed and breaks tackles. He has more power than Edge and hits the hole fast. He doesnt dance..He is learning to wait on his blocks. There is no question he will be the starter next season and should post #'s like Edge did his first few years. He will be a top 5 Pick in the future...

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Some of you need to watch Addai play. He is a powerful RB. He has great speed and breaks tackles. He has more power than Edge and hits the hole fast. He doesnt dance..He is learning to wait on his blocks. There is no question he will be the starter next season and should post #'s like Edge did his first few years. He will be a top 5 Pick in the future...

Very

 

[Acrobat7]

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

Was that your face during this past week's game? How did he do?

 

[wannabee]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint.

I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

 

[thatguy]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint. I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

The question was who holds more value NEXT SEASON. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that Addai is the better dynasty prospect, and I know no one is suggesting that he holds a candle to Maroney in the talent department. But do you really think Maroney will be hands down the better fantasy player NEXT season? I certainly don't. It's not always about talent. Sometimes it's all about opportunity.I own Maroney in a keeper league and I don't own Addai, FWIW.

 

[AcerFC]

I dont play in a dynasty league but just want to chime in. I took Maroney with the 3rd pick of the 6th round. In my league we can keep players drafted in RD 6-22. I can keep him at a cost of a 6th round pick next year and can keep him for 3 years. I am not moving him for anything. Otis posted that the Pats have an option on Dillon for 07. Even if they use it, he is not coming back after that and I can still keep him for a 6th rounder. On the flipside, Addai was taken in the 3rd round this year and will be back in the pool next year. I might be able to land both of them.

 

[wannabee]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint.

I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

The question was who holds more value NEXT SEASON. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that Addai is the better dynasty prospect, and I know no one is suggesting that he holds a candle to Maroney in the talent department. But do you really think Maroney will be hands down the better fantasy player NEXT season? I certainly don't. It's not always about talent. Sometimes it's all about opportunity.I own Maroney in a keeper league and I don't own Addai, FWIW.

Yes, I do. On your first statement, many in this thread do think Addai is a special RB in the mold of top 10, in talent and value. All I ask is that the Addai supporters give it time with Addai carrying the majority of the load. He will very soon. I think opinions will change then. Just my opinion. We shall see.

 

[thatguy]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint.

I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

The question was who holds more value NEXT SEASON. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that Addai is the better dynasty prospect, and I know no one is suggesting that he holds a candle to Maroney in the talent department. But do you really think Maroney will be hands down the better fantasy player NEXT season? I certainly don't. It's not always about talent. Sometimes it's all about opportunity.I own Maroney in a keeper league and I don't own Addai, FWIW.

Yes, I do. On your first statement, many in this thread do think Addai is a special RB in the mold of top 10, in talent and value. All I ask is that the Addai supporters give it time with Addai carrying the majority of the load. He will very soon. I think opinions will change then. Just my opinion. We shall see.

I also feel Addai has top 10 potential. This doesn't mean I think he's more talented than Maroney, or a better dynasty prospect than Maroney. I think Maroney has top 5 potential. Maroney is one of the most talented rookie RBs I've seen in some time. However, I think it's silly for you to say that hands down Maroney will outperform Addai next season. What makes you so sure Dillon be gone? What makes you so sure Belichek will utilize him in a way that will make fantasy owners happy? These are all very important questions that I think you're assuming will work themselves out in the favor of Maroney owners. Addai on the other hand has already assumed the role of feature back in Indy, and there really are no questions as to what that role entails.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I think Maroney is the more talented back, but I'm not so sure I'd take him over Addai for next season. If/when Maroney takes over, he LOOKS like he could be a stud, but that's been said about a number of young backs who looked studly early on while splitting time.

I traded for Addai a couple weeks ago in a dynasty league. I gave up Thomas Jones and Michael Clayton for Joseph Addai and Santonio Holmes... I expected to be in a rebuilding type year and love Addai's prospects for the future in Indy, but I didn't expect his future to necessarily start this soon. After watching a little of him, I'm truly impressed by the way he runs and I think he's in a great situation to be successful for a long time.

Addai has gotten 80% of the touches the last 2 weeks for the Indy RBs. If he'd gotten 80% of the production of he and Rhodes combined so far, he'd be firmly inside the top 10 RBs, and he's been more productive with his touches than Rhodes has by far. That tells me a lot about what his cieling might be.

That's not a knock on Maroney to say they're comparable. That's saying a lot of people, myself included, severely underestimated what Addai is capable of.

 

[Pnishthm]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

Was that your face during this past week's game? How did he do?

Let's see... they won the game... he had 43 yards AND a TD... and he lowered his ypc from 4.8 to 4.7 for the season. Anymore questions?

 

[wannabee]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

Was that your face during this past week's game? How did he do?

Let's see... they won the game... he had 43 yards AND a TD... and he lowered his ypc from 4.8 to 4.7 for the season. Anymore questions?

nice spin. What was his ypc that game? What round did you draft Addai?If you think he will be great, cool. We can discuss after the season. At this point, it is useless. We will disagree and get nowhere.

 

[Pnishthm]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint.

I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

Wasn't Edge a top 3 RB not long ago in the same system? I am not an Addai owner although I did draft him with my 1.4 pick in my dynasty league. I traded Addai and Caddy for LT to an owner who only had one starting RB and was in need of depth. I am however a huge LSU fan and Addai was one of my favorite Tigers ever. The kid does alot of things right (the little things that go unnoticed). He will be a solid fantasy player in the Colts system. One thing is for certain, this years RB crop will sure be fun to keep track of throughout their careers. Heck, M.Drew-Jones may be better than all of em, but that is a different debate in it's own.

 

[Pnishthm]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

Was that your face during this past week's game? How did he do?

Let's see... they won the game... he had 43 yards AND a TD... and he lowered his ypc from 4.8 to 4.7 for the season. Anymore questions?

nice spin. What was his ypc that game? What round did you draft Addai?If you think he will be great, cool. We can discuss after the season. At this point, it is useless. We will disagree and get nowhere.

I don't get it....what does ONE game have to do with anything? Does that trump his entire body of work for the year? Lame Yes we can agree to dissagree and move on and maybe both guys will be studs but I know you are smart enough not to throw away a seasons worth of stats to look at one game.

 

[my man otis]

The supporters of Addai here I assume are Addai fantasy owners. I understand. But, let's remember that this is dynasty. Addai benefits from the Colt offense the same way Edge did. As I stated above, look at Edge now behind a poor run OLine and not in an offense that takes advantage of his skillset. I do not hold that against Addai, but it is clouding the view by many and confusing talent with short term production. He is producing ok and could challenge the 1k mark. But, in no possible way is he even close to being on par with Maroney from a dynasty talent viewpoint.

I would like all of the Addai supporters to check back at the end of the year. Those of you that ardently believe he is a stud, we can discuss further when we see and know more. We can agree to disagree.

I'm not supporting Addai because I own him, I own him because I support him.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Seems situation does matter.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

one of my favorite threads.

Anyway, i like both of these guys but really....it seems Addai situation plus his skillset will make him a better point producer. Right now it isnt even close cause of Addai is getting alot of action and is PRODUCING but what i want to know is..............



Going foward, where does addai fit with the top rb's?

 

[Ilov80s]

one of my favorite threads.

Anyway, i like both of these guys but really....it seems Addai situation plus his skillset will make him a better point producer. Right now it isnt even close cause of Addai is getting alot of action and is PRODUCING but what i want to know is..............



Going foward, where does addai fit with the top rb's?

If Rhodes isn't resigned and the Colts don't sign a legit veteran, then I would say Addai is a top 8 pick. I could justify him as high as 4.

 

[Pnishthm]

I am biased in that I am NOT an Addai believer for the long term (dynasty). I like Maroney's skillset and hope he can carry the entire load. I think both backs will need to prove this. It is one thing neither did in college successfully for very long. But, I love the burst Maroney has and think he can be special. As far as value, Maroney should be be worth quite a bit more.

I want to clarify this a bit. I think Maroney is the superior talent. They have similar issues to prove in the ability to last an entire season as the primary RB with 250 carries. Also, Addai plays small, imo and dances a ton which makes him seem as though he has no burst through the hole at times. But, I usually look at things through the eyes of value. In dynasty drafts next year, I think both will be severely overvalued considering the risks each will carry. I think Maroney should be a top 10 dynasty pick next year ... which is crazy. I also think Addai will be a top 20-24 pick which is also crazy. At each of those draft positions, there will be established players that offer similar production with less risk. The reason these RBs will go that high is the potential they showed in rookie year.

For reference, Addai had 479 rushes and 62 receptions in 50 games over 5 years. One odd thing. For a guy known for his speed, Addai only broke two runs for over 50 yds. Here are his career stats: http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/asse...B_OEM_ID=5200#0

Also, oddly, Addai's best year (his Senior season), he only averaged 70 yds/game with no run longer than 30 yds.

Here is his draft profile from NFL.com showing his speed at 4.49/40, which is more than decent. I came to my own conclusions on Addai from watching him in college. But, the person reviewing Addai for this profile has the same issues I have for the way he plays (plus I question his durability, too)... he plays small for a good sized college rb and his lack of burst. Here is the nfl.com link: http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph

have you been watching the Colts games lately?? Addai has been very decisive in picking his holes, and he finishes off runs with amazing power and drive...

the answer is YES I have watched the Colts, as recent as this past week. He dances a ton and is not decisive at all.

Thus explaining his 4.7 ypc

Was that your face during this past week's game? How did he do?

Let's see... they won the game... he had 43 yards AND a TD... and he lowered his ypc from 4.8 to 4.7 for the season. Anymore questions?

nice spin. What was his ypc that game? What round did you draft Addai?If you think he will be great, cool. We can discuss after the season. At this point, it is useless. We will disagree and get nowhere.

 

[Bri]

Addai may be more value in PPR leagues. I don't foresee Maroney getting alot of catches and he sure drops his share

 

[weisguy0831]

Addai may be more value in PPR leagues. I don't foresee Maroney getting alot of catches and he sure drops his share

I can't comment on the 'drops his share' comment, but I see Steven Jackson when I look at Laurence Maroney. Part of it is the hair out of the back of the helmet and the No. 39, but I see a lot of similarities in their games. And Jackson is an absolute fantasy stud.As for Addai v. Maroney, I own Maroney. I was thrilled to get him and thrilled when Addai went before Maroney (dynasty). That said, I think that Addai is in a great situation. The Eagles were a sieve tonight, but Addai looked terrific.I'd take either one and would be thrilled to have both.Going into next year, I'd give Addai an edge, just because he is already in a better position.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think they are both in ideal situation to succeed.There's a great chance we are looking at the birth of two future perrenial top-5 fantasy RBs.

Nothing that's happened the last few weeks - and nothing I've read in this thread - makes me think my comment from then is any less true.For next year (and beyond) they are both in ideal situations.