Bronco Billy
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DropKick said:
I was going to name Godwin myself until I saw his ADP. The word’s out.
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DEEP SLEEPER WRs (1 Viewer)
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I was going to name Godwin myself until I saw his ADP. The word’s out.
thriftyrocker
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I like the Allison call. I have added him a couple times. There's a lot of potential of course, especially if Adams gets hurt.cloppbeast said:
Jakeem Grant is interesting, but he's so short. He'll have a few highlight plays but not much else IMO. I don't think Gase is creative enough to even make him a flex play.
-OZ-
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Ryan Grant too.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I'm worried about all that stuff too, and the crowded wr corpse. But once you get to the 23rd round of a draft every player has more questions than answers.
tombonneau
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Do you really see any reliable WR in BAL ahead of him though besides maybe Crabtree? Ravens have a lot of WR but most #2 and 3 and 4s. Theres really no clear cut #1 and Crabby only is by Default. These days I see him as a high end #2 with a very good #1
DJackson10
Footballguy
I like it too. Having been a Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson owner I've seen a lot of things from Allison. Seemed to have a few good but short moments though the last year or so when given the chance. If Rodgers stays healthy I could see him doing some things and surprising people. Nothing huge but enough it catches people's attention.
DJackson10
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nirad3
Footballguy
Yeah, once they past away.Not sure he'd have too much trouble getting passed a few dead WR's
Good stuff here guys -
i would add Mack Hollins. He’s on an a great offense, coaches like him, fans love him, he’s got the size/speed combo to be a legit red zone threat, great hands, great route running skills, Torrey Smith is gone, sophomore jump, and they brought in his college wr coach on the team.
Hes my biggest deep deep sleeper. I think only Jeffrey and agholor pose any real threat to him from the we position.
i would add Mack Hollins. He’s on an a great offense, coaches like him, fans love him, he’s got the size/speed combo to be a legit red zone threat, great hands, great route running skills, Torrey Smith is gone, sophomore jump, and they brought in his college wr coach on the team.
Hes my biggest deep deep sleeper. I think only Jeffrey and agholor pose any real threat to him from the we position.
Football Jones
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Football Jones
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Hollins makes a nice stash. He likely won’t ever become their top WR, but Philly’s offense could be prolific for a long time.
I tend to stash guys who have at least the potential to be go-to receivers, but Hollins is in an outstanding situation to produce if he can keep developing.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I hope not. Traded him for a third to draft J'Mon Moore. I like Hollins game but just seems like a better NFL than FF player. Maybe in 2-3 years when Jeffrey breaks down he could ascend.
Moore OTOH (or one of those other GB rookies or Allison) will be relevant immediately.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Makes sense if you’re higher on Moore, especially if you believe he’ll be productive sooner.
Moore will make decent trade bait if he’s buzzing. That’s probably what I’d look to do with him. I’m not super-high on Moore, but he’s a legit prospect.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm about as amateur of a scout as you can be, just a month of YouTube video pre-draft
so I don't know any more than anyone else. That's why I prefer to place more attention on situation and circumstance than actual player talent/tape.That is just volume, load up on guys and hope one of them hits. You gotta be smart enough to know you don't know anything.
Bronco Billy
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Eh, not taking the bait.
Well, maybe a nibble .....
It's pretty obvious I meant I didn't want him to blow up because I just traded him. And I like him and his prospects or I wouldn't have picked him up last year and will be more than happy for him to carve out an eight-year career as a deep threat WR3 a la James Jones.
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tombonneau
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If Berrios avoids the practice squad he could have a nice rookie campaign and then be in line for Welker 3.5 role. Question is will Brady be around to give him value ....
Mookie
Footballguy
I consider Chad Hanson a DEEP sleeper. He came on a bit at the end of his rookie year, worked his tail off in the offseason with Goff, and drew raves at minicamp. He could still be a year out, but he could be worth a stash in deep leagues. Also consider that the Jets WR corps has more question marks than the Riddler's outfit so the opportunity is there.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
He only got 23 targets and they basically used him as a deep threat and he was successful at that averaging 21 ypc and catching 67% of those and hauling in three scores. Instead they chose to utilize Terrance Williams who got 78 targets and only averaged 10 ypc and a goose egg in the scoring department. They also gave 130+ targets to Bryant who barely caught more than 50% of them. There is certainly no guarantee that he'll do anything with more targets but you can't really say he's shown himself to be a JAG if he hasn't been utilized much. There have been plenty of players that do next to nothing on one team then go to another and break out. Really hard to say that Chad Williams has a higher upside based on 7 targets that he caught 3 of and their college stats. Butler has at least established that he can be an effective deep threat, which is more than Williams has done at this time. Not trying to put down Chad Williams, just pointing out that he isn't any more proven at this point than Butler.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
He only got 23 targets and they basically used him as a deep threat and he was successful at that averaging 21 ypc and catching 67% of those and hauling in three scores. Instead they chose to utilize Terrance Williams who got 78 targets and only averaged 10 ypc and a goose egg in the scoring department. They also gave 130+ targets to Bryant who barely caught more than 50% of them. There is certainly no guarantee that he'll do anything with more targets but you can't really say he's shown himself to be a JAG if he hasn't been utilized much. There have been plenty of players that do next to nothing on one team then go to another and break out. Really hard to say that Chad Williams has a higher upside based on 7 targets that he caught 3 of and their college stats. Butler has at least established that he can be an effective deep threat, which is more than Williams has done at this time. Not trying to put down Chad Williams, just pointing out that he isn't any more proven at this point than Butler.
Taywan Taylor and Rishard Matthews are excellent draft values right now.
Taylor has had buzz since day one with the Titans and the new staff is impressed.
Matthews doesn't belong here but he is missing workouts and his adp keeps falling. I find it absurd but I've picked him in the 14th round twice this week alone.
Taylor has had buzz since day one with the Titans and the new staff is impressed.
Matthews doesn't belong here but he is missing workouts and his adp keeps falling. I find it absurd but I've picked him in the 14th round twice this week alone.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Posted about him in another thread. He's getting a ton of camp buzz and is dealing with a wide open depth chart. I literally know nothing about him but am keeping an eye out.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I actually think Matthews has enough of an effect on Taylor that discussion about both belong here. Is there a reason given for why Matthews has been missing time? I know it's WAYYYY too early to panic but it is interesting since they are installing a new offense that is supposed to be quite a bit different than the old offense, no?Bri said:
As someone that follows the deep players very closely thanks for keeping us updated on the evolving offensive situation in TEN. Seems like a lot of changes to me. As a fan of Matthews since he was in MIA I hope he doesn't get lost in the shuffle.
Men-in-Cleats
Footballguy
A someone who picked up Hansen late in a deep dynasty draft last year and who is hurting for WR help, I certainly hope he takes a step forward this year so I can move him from my taxi squad. While I don't have high hopes for this year's passing numbers for the Jets offense, it would be good to see them take a step in the right direction for if Darnold does become a franchise guy.
I believe they figured he'd be traded by now. The last two or three years, he has been among the best in the NFL on third down and so has Delanie Walker. It does seem difficult to get Davis and Taylor sincerely in the right spot as far as key reps and Marcus' faith if those two already have it. Some have pointed out that Jonnu had a few huge catches last year and Marcus is fine at spreading it around. I don't know that I can take a stance until I see the results. I've been told Matthews has a twisted ankle. On the radio JRob said it was not sprained, just a twist. There's no way a guy sits 4 weeks with a twist.
I don't think this is the right way to do it. I don't think Matthews hit an old old point yet and they're kicking an extremely key player. Vrabel comes from a team with Deandre and some others. I never got the feel that the Titans or Marcus were solely into one or two guys like the Texans are with Deandre.
Taywan Taylor followed Tajae as being the steal of the draft. Did the Titans get it two years in a row? Then Mularkey and Robiske had a super quick leash with him and only him. If he ran one wrong route or missed one catch, he was pulled. Taywan did not get much experience last year. As a fan, people really didn't buy him as special last summer and during the season they were "maybe in a few years." It's super interesting to see oh so many people change and have Taywan as one of the better second year WRs in the league. He did very little in 2017 and obviously didn't earn their hope in 2018 yet but I come across a whole lot of people that strongly think Taywan is the sleeper- the noname young WR to own. I'm not sure I've ever seen a third rounder jump into FF folks' hearts without accomplishing a thing. It's really fascinating to step back and look at.
Amused to Death
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Hollins has been having a nice camp. He's currently behind only Mike Wallace, who's on a 1-year deal. This is the time to stash him if you can.
Dynasty: Chris Lacy, Wide receiver, Oklahoma State - stuck behind Ateman and Washington, cut by Patriots and signed by Detroit. Dude is smart (Ind. Engr degree) so he will be able to pick up everything and loves studying football.
4.51 speed, size and hands.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/07/31/detroit-lions-chris-lacy/869021002/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It8srAK1QOM
4.51 speed, size and hands.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/07/31/detroit-lions-chris-lacy/869021002/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It8srAK1QOM
bostonfred
Footballguy
I went to the Patriots open practice Monday night and Phillip Dorsett looked really good. Sounds like he's doing well overall.
tombonneau
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Pwingles
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Allen Lazard
Daurice Fountain
Simmie Cobbs
Dylan Cantrell
Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Justin Watson
All these guys are late rounders/UDFA, but are big athletes. Id assume almost all of these guys will fail, but one of these guys will break through. This is more of a Dyno take, and not really redraft. All these guys are completely undraftable in redraft.
Lazard could end up being a PS guy, but he could also end up being a big time RZ guy, the wr situation in Jax is super muddied right now.
Fountain could very well end up a starter, lots of competition for wr2-4 in indy.
Cobbs is also seemingly buried. He would sort of play the same role as Doctson, who cant stay healthy, so maybe worth a stash.
Cantrell is a legit sleeper. He is a + athlete, has great size and solid hands. Could make the roster as a bottom end wr because I think he will contribute on ST's if they ask him to. Dont be surprised if this guy emerges later in the year if he gets a shot in LA.
MVS, another guy who is a physical specimen, very fast and good size. The path to relevance is one injury away. He has competition from EQSB and JMon Moore. Its unlikely, but there is a scenario where all three of those guys play their way on, he will have to separate himself from them and Geronimo Allison as well.
Watson is basically Dylan Cantrell. Similar player and situation.
Daurice Fountain
Simmie Cobbs
Dylan Cantrell
Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Justin Watson
All these guys are late rounders/UDFA, but are big athletes. Id assume almost all of these guys will fail, but one of these guys will break through. This is more of a Dyno take, and not really redraft. All these guys are completely undraftable in redraft.
Lazard could end up being a PS guy, but he could also end up being a big time RZ guy, the wr situation in Jax is super muddied right now.
Fountain could very well end up a starter, lots of competition for wr2-4 in indy.
Cobbs is also seemingly buried. He would sort of play the same role as Doctson, who cant stay healthy, so maybe worth a stash.
Cantrell is a legit sleeper. He is a + athlete, has great size and solid hands. Could make the roster as a bottom end wr because I think he will contribute on ST's if they ask him to. Dont be surprised if this guy emerges later in the year if he gets a shot in LA.
MVS, another guy who is a physical specimen, very fast and good size. The path to relevance is one injury away. He has competition from EQSB and JMon Moore. Its unlikely, but there is a scenario where all three of those guys play their way on, he will have to separate himself from them and Geronimo Allison as well.
Watson is basically Dylan Cantrell. Similar player and situation.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I don't think you are alone. More than a few passionate INDY fans would likely empathize with you.
