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Define a "choke" in sports (1 Viewer)

3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.

 
Consider Jean Van de Velde at the '99 British Open the gold standard and then work your way down from there. Van de Velde would be 100% choke purity.

 
TheAristocrat said:
TheIronSheik said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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Up by two with under 7 minutes to play? Yeah. That's a huge choke.
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That's a very good Canadian team. This was a coin-flip game going into the Olympics. I wouldn't say 3-2 is a choke in this situation.
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Statcruncher said:
TheIronSheik said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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Up by two with under 7 minutes to play? Yeah. That's a huge choke.
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You know two of those goals came with Canada having an extra skater on the ice right?
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A 3-2 loss is not a bad loss. Unless you are up 2-0 with less than 7 minutes to play. Then it's a choke.

 
why 7 minutes? they were up 2 with about 4 minutes to go, IIRC.

still, these things happen. it's why hockey rules.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
why 7 minutes? they were up 2 with about 4 minutes to go, IIRC.

still, these things happen. it's why hockey rules.
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4 minutes to go is less than 7, if I remember my math from school.

I didn't know the actual time because I didn't watch the game and I figured if I guesstimated the time too low, people would get all up in arms over that. Apparently it happens either way.

 
TheIronSheik said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
why 7 minutes? they were up 2 with about 4 minutes to go, IIRC.

still, these things happen. it's why hockey rules.
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4 minutes to go is less than 7, if I remember my math from school.
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yes it is. but why do you keep saying 7 minutes as if that's the dividing line?

blowing a 2 goal lead with 8 minutes left is ok, but doing it with 6 minutes left is a choke? Just trying to understand the rules as you are laying them out for us here.

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
TheIronSheik said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
why 7 minutes? they were up 2 with about 4 minutes to go, IIRC.

still, these things happen. it's why hockey rules.
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4 minutes to go is less than 7, if I remember my math from school.
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yes it is. but why do you keep saying 7 minutes as if that's the dividing line?

blowing a 2 goal lead with 8 minutes left is ok, but doing it with 6 minutes left is a choke? Just trying to understand the rules as you are laying them out for us here.
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I thought I explained it above. But you edited it out. I said I didn't watch the game so I didn't know the exact time of when the first Canadian goal was scored. I just know it was late in the period.

That said, I'm not sure there is a perfect number that separates a choke from a non choke. But if you're saying that the US was up 2-0 with 4 minutes left, that is a choke.

 
The gold medal game was a choke given the score at such a late part of the game.

More women's olympics...the freaking bobsledding...nothing like hitting every wall possible on your way down to give away the gold.

 
TheIronSheik said:
That said, I'm not sure there is a perfect number that separates a choke from a non choke. But if you're saying that the US was up 2-0 with 4 minutes left, that is a choke.
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alright then

so, we have giving up a 2 goal lead with

4 minutes left = choke

6 minutes left = choke

8 minutes left = no choke

is this right? not trying to be difficult here. just trying to figure out where the line should be drawn.

 
Greg Norman 96 Masters always first thing that comes to mind. That was brutal to watch.

Golf since it's one guy out there seems to lend itself to choking.

That being said I miss 3 footers when 10 bucks is involved so I should probably shut up now.

Cubs 2003 and Buckner also come to mind.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
TheIronSheik said:
That said, I'm not sure there is a perfect number that separates a choke from a non choke. But if you're saying that the US was up 2-0 with 4 minutes left, that is a choke.
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alright then

so, we have giving up a 2 goal lead with

4 minutes left = choke

6 minutes left = choke

8 minutes left = no choke

is this right? not trying to be difficult here. just trying to figure out where the line should be drawn.
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Hope the bolded helps your analysis. :thumbup:

 
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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You are up 2-0 with 3:30 left to go an lose? Yeah, that's a choke.

 
Uwe Blab said:
Consider Jean Van de Velde at the '99 British Open the gold standard and then work your way down from there. Van de Velde would be 100% choke purity.
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I didn't know much about golf at the time, and holy crap was this still painful to watch...

 
bryhamm said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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You are up 2-0 with 3:30 left to go an lose? Yeah, that's a choke.
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So 3:30 is the line? Please PM Aaron to give him your exact time a game becomes a choke. I think he's writing a thesis.

 
sho nuff said:
The gold medal game was a choke given the score at such a late part of the game.

More women's olympics...the freaking bobsledding...nothing like hitting every wall possible on your way down to give away the gold.
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Saw that too. That was a total choke.

 
Uwe Blab said:
Consider Jean Van de Velde at the '99 British Open the gold standard and then work your way down from there. Van de Velde would be 100% choke purity.
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He is French so I'd qualify it as more of a surrender.

 
TheIronSheik said:
bryhamm said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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You are up 2-0 with 3:30 left to go an lose? Yeah, that's a choke.
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So 3:30 is the line? Please PM Aaron to give him your exact time a game becomes a choke. I think he's writing a thesis.
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Don't know if it's the line, but it is a choke. If it happens again with a different amount of time, I'll weigh back in then.

;)

 
TheIronSheik said:
bryhamm said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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You are up 2-0 with 3:30 left to go an lose? Yeah, that's a choke.
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So 3:30 is the line? Please PM Aaron to give him your exact time a game becomes a choke. I think he's writing a thesis.
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If you're going to PM him, my vote would be that blowing a 2 goal lead at any time in the 3rd period is choking.

 
sho nuff said:
The gold medal game was a choke given the score at such a late part of the game.

More women's olympics...the freaking bobsledding...nothing like hitting every wall possible on your way down to give away the gold.
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that was brutal. had the lead through the first 3 runs, and then just totally ### the track on the 4th. unbelievable. even the Russian hockey team thought that was bad.

 
Being up 2 runs in the going into the bottom of the 9th in a closing game 6 of the WS, only to give up 2 runs ... then being up 2 more runs going into the bottom of the 10th, only to give up 2 runs ... and then losing the game in the 11th.

Choke.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
NCCommish said:
3-2 is a choke? What Manning did in the Super Bowl was a choke. Losing by one goal to good team just seems like losing to me.
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Just taking a shot in the dark here. You didn't watch the game, right?
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The hockey game or the Super Bowl? Seattle's D was pretty sick that day, just sayin'.

 
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