Define the Deep South... (1 Viewer)

[SWC]

what about beloit brohans that is sort of like the deep south of scanny take that to the bank

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

any state where the average number of teeth per mouth is roughly equal to the number of children per household.

yeah well SE Ohio and WVA may very well lead that pack.

Add Western PA to that list too. West Opennsyltucky, baby. Not Deep South, but it's something that's for damn sure.

Please.

I hail from western PA. My mom's family hails primarily from eastern OH, right on the river. My maternal grandfather's family comes from West Virginia coal country. Lots of Welsh background on my mom's side (both of her parents' families) -- a wee people who were very useful in the coal mines of the region way back when.

I know of which I speak.

I grew up there too. The North Hills and South Hills areas - more than 15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh - are very affluent. As is most of all of northern Washington County. There are pockets of poverty, but you've got to be in your 50s and 60s to even vaguely remember a predominance of active coal mining activity.

You knew of which you spoke.

Washington County's right on the WV border, right? My dad's family is from Armstrong County, a couple counties northeast actually . I would characterize it as having "pockets of affluence". In all seriousness, would you consider any of the West Virginia Counties that border that region of Pennsylvania as anything other than impoverished? Any of those Ohio counties on the west bank of the River? Maybe they aren't in PA, but they're literally just a county or 2 away from Washington County, PA. I don't know, but I wager that none of the counties in that region (aside from Allegheny) meet the average median household income for their respective state as a whole. Obviously there are always going to be areas of affluence, but we'll have to disagree on their relative distribution and frequency in the region.

And, FWIW 2 of my great grandfathers were coal miners who both died of TB. Obviously there was more mining in West Virginia, but we're just talking 1 and 2 counties to the west or south of Washington County, no? I know that there is still quite a bit of production in Hancock and Monongalia -- just to your west and south, right? My maternal grandfather worked in the potteries until that industry went overseas, then he worked in the steel mills until that industry went overseas. My dad fled the region as quickly as he finished at Pitt. I'm not in my 50's, but I absolutely remember coming through the tunnels into Pittsburgh to see the shocking air pollution. Pittsburgh has done a remarkable job remaking itself -- still one of my favorite cities in the country -- but in the '70's and early '80's the pollution in Pittsburgh from the coal was still (literally) breathtaking.

I know of what I speak. Mayhaps my family didn't run in the affluent circles of yours, so we know things from different perspectives.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

any state where the average number of teeth per mouth is roughly equal to the number of children per household.

yeah well SE Ohio and WVA may very well lead that pack.

Add Western PA to that list too. West Opennsyltucky, baby. Not Deep South, but it's something that's for damn sure.

Please.

I hail from western PA. My mom's family hails primarily from eastern OH, right on the river. My maternal grandfather's family comes from West Virginia coal country. Lots of Welsh background on my mom's side (both of her parents' families) -- a wee people who were very useful in the coal mines of the region way back when.

I know of which I speak.

I grew up there too. The North Hills and South Hills areas - more than 15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh - are very affluent. As is most of all of northern Washington County. There are pockets of poverty, but you've got to be in your 50s and 60s to even vaguely remember a predominance of active coal mining activity.

You knew of which you spoke.

Washington County's right on the WV border, right? My dad's family is from Armstrong County, a couple counties northeast actually . I would characterize it as having "pockets of affluence". In all seriousness, would you consider any of the West Virginia Counties that border that region of Pennsylvania as anything other than impoverished? Any of those Ohio counties on the west bank of the River? Maybe they aren't in PA, but they're literally just a county or 2 away from Washington County, PA. I don't know, but I wager that none of the counties in that region (aside from Allegheny) meet the average median household income for their respective state as a whole. Obviously there are always going to be areas of affluence, but we'll have to disagree on their relative distribution and frequency in the region.

And, FWIW 2 of my great grandfathers were coal miners who both died of TB. Obviously there was more mining in West Virginia, but we're just talking 1 and 2 counties to the west or south of Washington County, no? I know that there is still quite a bit of production in Hancock and Monongalia -- just to your west and south, right? My maternal grandfather worked in the potteries until that industry went overseas, then he worked in the steel mills until that industry went overseas. My dad fled the region as quickly as he finished at Pitt. I'm not in my 50's, but I absolutely remember coming through the tunnels into Pittsburgh to see the shocking air pollution. Pittsburgh has done a remarkable job remaking itself -- still one of my favorite cities in the country -- but in the '70's and early '80's the pollution in Pittsburgh from the coal was still (literally) breathtaking.

I know of what I speak. Mayhaps my family didn't run in the affluent circles of yours, so we know things from different perspectives.

Allegheny and Butler counties around Pittsburgh are above state average. Washington and Westmoreland are just barely below, but in the top 15 counties in the state (averages skewed by a few counties in the Philadelphia area).

The disparities get much greater as you get to the borders of WV. Greene County ranks 60th (out of 67) and Fayette County ranks 65th (of 67). So you may be partially right with regard to those two counties, but "15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh" doesn't hold water. The MSA of Pittsburgh is generally much stronger than that.

The last meaningful steel production in Pittsburgh was in 1983 and it had been dying for awhile, so you probably didn't really see much but dead, inactive mills in the 80s. Certainly in the 70s, but if you're not in your 50s, as you proclaim, then you're citing memories from your very early years. There was some more production that lasted a little longer to the east of the city, but by and large it was all gone by the mid 80s.

I was never affluent and I had a grandfather that worked in the steel industry too. But even so, I can't lump most of western PA in with WV as you attempted to do.

 

[Koya]

Georgia

Alabama

South Carolina

Tennessee

North Carolina

Mississippi

Southern Kentucky

Northern Florida

Louisiana

Then what is the "south east"??

NC is not at all Deep South. Especially with the last 20 years of innovation growth and the universities. I've flat out been told that although I went to NC as a kid, it's "not really the south"

I think that list is more southeast outside of TN or KY - neither of which I think of as Deep South at all.

 

[The Commish]

Georgia

Alabama

South Carolina

Tennessee

North Carolina

Mississippi

Southern Kentucky

Northern Florida

Louisiana

Then what is the "south east"??

NC is not at all Deep South. Especially with the last 20 years of innovation growth and the universities. I've flat out been told that although I went to NC as a kid, it's "not really the south"

I think that list is more southeast outside of TN or KY - neither of which I think of as Deep South at all.

I think OPM hit it on the head with his first post.

 

[dickey moe]

"Is it Deep South? " is directly proportional to the number of dogs injured when a front porch collapses.

 

[drfeelgood]

Georgia

Alabama

South Carolina

Tennessee

North Carolina

Mississippi

Southern Kentucky

Northern Florida

Louisiana

Then what is the "south east"??

NC is not at all Deep South. Especially with the last 20 years of innovation growth and the universities. I've flat out been told that although I went to NC as a kid, it's "not really the south"

I think that list is more southeast outside of TN or KY - neither of which I think of as Deep South at all.

NC definitely really is the south, but it is not the Deep South even though it shares some common traits.

 

[Koya]

Georgia

Alabama

South Carolina

Tennessee

North Carolina

Mississippi

Southern Kentucky

Northern Florida

Louisiana

Then what is the "south east"??

NC is not at all Deep South. Especially with the last 20 years of innovation growth and the universities. I've flat out been told that although I went to NC as a kid, it's "not really the south"I think that list is more southeast outside of TN or KY - neither of which I think of as Deep South at all.

NC definitely really is the south, but it is not the Deep South even though it shares some common traits.

Oh, I totally agree. Just relaying what deep southerners have told me, more than once. Anything South of Arlington is South.

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

any state where the average number of teeth per mouth is roughly equal to the number of children per household.

yeah well SE Ohio and WVA may very well lead that pack.

Add Western PA to that list too. West Opennsyltucky, baby. Not Deep South, but it's something that's for damn sure.

Please.

I hail from western PA. My mom's family hails primarily from eastern OH, right on the river. My maternal grandfather's family comes from West Virginia coal country. Lots of Welsh background on my mom's side (both of her parents' families) -- a wee people who were very useful in the coal mines of the region way back when.

I know of which I speak.

I grew up there too. The North Hills and South Hills areas - more than 15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh - are very affluent. As is most of all of northern Washington County. There are pockets of poverty, but you've got to be in your 50s and 60s to even vaguely remember a predominance of active coal mining activity.

You knew of which you spoke.

Washington County's right on the WV border, right? My dad's family is from Armstrong County, a couple counties northeast actually . I would characterize it as having "pockets of affluence". In all seriousness, would you consider any of the West Virginia Counties that border that region of Pennsylvania as anything other than impoverished? Any of those Ohio counties on the west bank of the River? Maybe they aren't in PA, but they're literally just a county or 2 away from Washington County, PA. I don't know, but I wager that none of the counties in that region (aside from Allegheny) meet the average median household income for their respective state as a whole. Obviously there are always going to be areas of affluence, but we'll have to disagree on their relative distribution and frequency in the region.

And, FWIW 2 of my great grandfathers were coal miners who both died of TB. Obviously there was more mining in West Virginia, but we're just talking 1 and 2 counties to the west or south of Washington County, no? I know that there is still quite a bit of production in Hancock and Monongalia -- just to your west and south, right? My maternal grandfather worked in the potteries until that industry went overseas, then he worked in the steel mills until that industry went overseas. My dad fled the region as quickly as he finished at Pitt. I'm not in my 50's, but I absolutely remember coming through the tunnels into Pittsburgh to see the shocking air pollution. Pittsburgh has done a remarkable job remaking itself -- still one of my favorite cities in the country -- but in the '70's and early '80's the pollution in Pittsburgh from the coal was still (literally) breathtaking.

I know of what I speak. Mayhaps my family didn't run in the affluent circles of yours, so we know things from different perspectives.

Allegheny and Butler counties around Pittsburgh are above state average. Washington and Westmoreland are just barely below, but in the top 15 counties in the state (averages skewed by a few counties in the Philadelphia area).

The disparities get much greater as you get to the borders of WV. Greene County ranks 60th (out of 67) and Fayette County ranks 65th (of 67). So you may be partially right with regard to those two counties, but "15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh" doesn't hold water. The MSA of Pittsburgh is generally much stronger than that.

The last meaningful steel production in Pittsburgh was in 1983 and it had been dying for awhile, so you probably didn't really see much but dead, inactive mills in the 80s. Certainly in the 70s, but if you're not in your 50s, as you proclaim, then you're citing memories from your very early years. There was some more production that lasted a little longer to the east of the city, but by and large it was all gone by the mid 80s.

I was never affluent and I had a grandfather that worked in the steel industry too. But even so, I can't lump most of western PA in with WV as you attempted to do.

I don't specifically remember mills -- I remember the pollution that hit you across the face as you came out of the mountain. None of that there now -- it's a gorgeous city IMO.

It's not just me who includes western PA with WV and eastern OH. The real exclusion is actually the Pittsburgh MSA, not western PA. "Western Pennsylvania" is typified by that region of the state culturally more akin to West Virginia and separated from the rest of the state by the Appalachians. The Appalachian Regional Commission includes that portion of the state as well.

I thought the "15 minutes" would carry you out of that Pittsburgh MSA "hole", but obviously I undershot that time. I should have said "30 minutes outside of Pittsburgh" or maybe even "45 minutes outside of Pittsburgh". The traditional measure or rural PA is the "T" that excludes the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh MSAs, but in my experience that "T" isn't entirely accurate on the western side of the state at least (I don't have any knowledge about eastern PA at all). For example, Fayette County (65th of 67) is part of the Pittsburgh MSA.

Since you went all researchy on me, I guess I have to as well.

Here are the rankings of the Pittsburgh MSA counties in household income in PA:

Allegheny (Pitt) -- 6th

Butler -- 7th

Washington -- 14th (below PA and US averages, as are the rest below this point)

Westmoreland -- 16th

Beaver -- 22nd

Armstrong -- 36th

Fayette -- 65th (average per capita income is actually closer to the poverty level than to the PA average)

So I missed my prediction by 1 county.

It really becomes evident once you move to the next ring of counties past those contiguous to Allegheny (i.e., Pennsyvlania counties abutting the Pittsburgh MSA but not in it, and all considered "western PA") --none of them are particularly close to the PA or US averages:

Mercer -- 38th

Lawrence -- 41st

Cambria -- 44th

Indiana -- 53rd

Venango -- 55th

Jefferson -- 58th

Clarion -- 59th

Greene -- 60th

Somerset -- 62nd

I didn't include Blair (actually the county of my birth, although I lived there for less than a year, then we moved to Washington) or Clearfield Counties even though they technically fit the parameters and are both considered "West Pennsylvania" because they seem to be pretty far away from the region I was specifically referencing, but including them certainly wouldn't change things much (29th and 61st respectively).

I feel pretty comfortable with my assertion, even if I was a bit light on my distance out of Pittsburgh.

I know making generalizations always opens you up to criticism upon detailed research, but the whole "Deep South" concept pretty much lends itself to generalizations.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

any state where the average number of teeth per mouth is roughly equal to the number of children per household.

yeah well SE Ohio and WVA may very well lead that pack.

Add Western PA to that list too. West Opennsyltucky, baby. Not Deep South, but it's something that's for damn sure.

Please.

I hail from western PA. My mom's family hails primarily from eastern OH, right on the river. My maternal grandfather's family comes from West Virginia coal country. Lots of Welsh background on my mom's side (both of her parents' families) -- a wee people who were very useful in the coal mines of the region way back when.

I know of which I speak.

I grew up there too. The North Hills and South Hills areas - more than 15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh - are very affluent. As is most of all of northern Washington County. There are pockets of poverty, but you've got to be in your 50s and 60s to even vaguely remember a predominance of active coal mining activity.

You knew of which you spoke.

Washington County's right on the WV border, right? My dad's family is from Armstrong County, a couple counties northeast actually . I would characterize it as having "pockets of affluence". In all seriousness, would you consider any of the West Virginia Counties that border that region of Pennsylvania as anything other than impoverished? Any of those Ohio counties on the west bank of the River? Maybe they aren't in PA, but they're literally just a county or 2 away from Washington County, PA. I don't know, but I wager that none of the counties in that region (aside from Allegheny) meet the average median household income for their respective state as a whole. Obviously there are always going to be areas of affluence, but we'll have to disagree on their relative distribution and frequency in the region.

And, FWIW 2 of my great grandfathers were coal miners who both died of TB. Obviously there was more mining in West Virginia, but we're just talking 1 and 2 counties to the west or south of Washington County, no? I know that there is still quite a bit of production in Hancock and Monongalia -- just to your west and south, right? My maternal grandfather worked in the potteries until that industry went overseas, then he worked in the steel mills until that industry went overseas. My dad fled the region as quickly as he finished at Pitt. I'm not in my 50's, but I absolutely remember coming through the tunnels into Pittsburgh to see the shocking air pollution. Pittsburgh has done a remarkable job remaking itself -- still one of my favorite cities in the country -- but in the '70's and early '80's the pollution in Pittsburgh from the coal was still (literally) breathtaking.

I know of what I speak. Mayhaps my family didn't run in the affluent circles of yours, so we know things from different perspectives.

Allegheny and Butler counties around Pittsburgh are above state average. Washington and Westmoreland are just barely below, but in the top 15 counties in the state (averages skewed by a few counties in the Philadelphia area).

The disparities get much greater as you get to the borders of WV. Greene County ranks 60th (out of 67) and Fayette County ranks 65th (of 67). So you may be partially right with regard to those two counties, but "15 minutes outside of Pittsburgh" doesn't hold water. The MSA of Pittsburgh is generally much stronger than that.

The last meaningful steel production in Pittsburgh was in 1983 and it had been dying for awhile, so you probably didn't really see much but dead, inactive mills in the 80s. Certainly in the 70s, but if you're not in your 50s, as you proclaim, then you're citing memories from your very early years. There was some more production that lasted a little longer to the east of the city, but by and large it was all gone by the mid 80s.

I was never affluent and I had a grandfather that worked in the steel industry too. But even so, I can't lump most of western PA in with WV as you attempted to do.

I don't specifically remember mills -- I remember the pollution that hit you across the face as you came out of the mountain. None of that there now -- it's a gorgeous city IMO.

It's not just me who includes western PA with WV and eastern OH. The real exclusion is actually the Pittsburgh MSA, not western PA. "Western Pennsylvania" is typified by that region of the state culturally more akin to West Virginia and separated from the rest of the state by the Appalachians. The Appalachian Regional Commission includes that portion of the state as well.

I thought the "15 minutes" would carry you out of that Pittsburgh MSA "hole", but obviously I undershot that time. I should have said "30 minutes outside of Pittsburgh" or maybe even "45 minutes outside of Pittsburgh". The traditional measure or rural PA is the "T" that excludes the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh MSAs, but in my experience that "T" isn't entirely accurate on the western side of the state at least (I don't have any knowledge about eastern PA at all). For example, Fayette County (65th of 67) is part of the Pittsburgh MSA.

Since you went all researchy on me, I guess I have to as well.

Here are the rankings of the Pittsburgh MSA counties in household income in PA:

Allegheny (Pitt) -- 6th

Butler -- 7th

Washington -- 14th (below PA and US averages, as are the rest below this point)

Westmoreland -- 16th

Beaver -- 22nd

Armstrong -- 36th

Fayette -- 65th (average per capita income is actually closer to the poverty level than to the PA average)

So I missed my prediction by 1 county.

It really becomes evident once you move to the next ring of counties past those contiguous to Allegheny (i.e., Pennsyvlania counties abutting the Pittsburgh MSA but not in it, and all considered "western PA") --none of them are particularly close to the PA or US averages:

Mercer -- 38th

Lawrence -- 41st

Cambria -- 44th

Indiana -- 53rd

Venango -- 55th

Jefferson -- 58th

Clarion -- 59th

Greene -- 60th

Somerset -- 62nd

I didn't include Blair (actually the county of my birth, although I lived there for less than a year, then we moved to Washington) or Clearfield Counties even though they technically fit the parameters and are both considered "West Pennsylvania" because they seem to be pretty far away from the region I was specifically referencing, but including them certainly wouldn't change things much (29th and 61st respectively).

I feel pretty comfortable with my assertion, even if I was a bit light on my distance out of Pittsburgh.

I know making generalizations always opens you up to criticism upon detailed research, but the whole "Deep South" concept pretty much lends itself to generalizations.

What the "'Deep South' concept" doesn't lend itself to is comprehensive discussion of the demographic, economic and geographic details of Western PA. Might as well be discussing mountain ranges in the South America...

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

True, RL. Idiot Boxer and I have gotten far afield. I made a throw away comment, he made a one-word challenge of it. 156,678 words and 4 posts later it's escalated. Sorry about that.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I think OPM hit it on the head with his first post.

Pretty much. Kinda funny that some teacher from Chula Vista knows the boundaries of the Deep South better than a bunch of Southerners.

 

[shader]

Third world country if the rest of the US wasn't carrying it.

No that would be Ohio

 

[Idiot Boxer]

True, RL. Idiot Boxer and I have gotten far afield. I made a throw away comment, he made a one-word challenge of it. 156,678 words and 4 posts later it's escalated. Sorry about that.

True enough.

Good talk, Russ.

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

True, RL. Idiot Boxer and I have gotten far afield. I made a throw away comment, he made a one-word challenge of it. 156,678 words and 4 posts later it's escalated. Sorry about that.

True enough.

Good talk, Russ.

I don't get to have my first beer?

 

[GregR]

I recently came back from a trip to the "Deep" South.

Quite frankly, I find these people anything but deep.

I was in West Virgina. This is the kind of place where people read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter, in case they stumble upon a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.

I went to my first square dance in West Virginia. Here's an activity I don't get nearly enough of, huh? I go out to dance, I go to express myself. These people are into being ordered around the floor by some neo-fascist Sam Drucker, some bizarre BF Skinner hoedown.

West Virginia was a Union state. All yours GB.

"detailed studies have concluded that there were nearly equal numbers of Union and Confederate soldiers."

West Virginia soldiery numbers in the Civil War have never been reliable. If I remember my Civil War history right, I think both the Confederacy and the Union drafted soldiers out of West Virginia. Either way, there's no dispute that West Virginia seceded from Virginia because Virginia seceded from the Union and because Richmond and the agricultural low country didn't really give much of a rat's ### about the mountain country.

This seems about right to me. The southeaster counties were more loyal to Virginia/the Confederacy.

Interesting quick read. Pretty telling numbers from the Wheeling Convention link: 37,451 Virginians voted against secession (against 132,201 for). Of those 37,451 votes, an estimated 34,677 came from counties that would comprise West Virginia, which means 2774 people in modern Virginia voted against secession (against 113,080 for).

Could we fashion any referendum that would get a 97.6% yes vote today?

To put it in perspective, this question got almost that exact amount of the vote here in the FFA:

Do you think Kate Beckinsale is good looking?

1. 
   Yep (357 votes [97.54%])
2. Nope (9 votes [2.46%])
   

 

[TheIronSheik]

Do Canadians consider southern Ontario to be their Deep South?

 

[Fennis]

Do Canadians consider southern Ontario to be their Deep South?

manitoba

 

[Idiot Boxer]

True, RL. Idiot Boxer and I have gotten far afield. I made a throw away comment, he made a one-word challenge of it. 156,678 words and 4 posts later it's escalated. Sorry about that.

True enough.

Good talk, Russ.

I don't get to have my first beer?

If you were born in Blair County, you've already had plenty.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Do Canadians consider southern Ontario to be their Deep South?

manitoba

Makes sense. Stupid Manitobians.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

True, RL. Idiot Boxer and I have gotten far afield. I made a throw away comment, he made a one-word challenge of it. 156,678 words and 4 posts later it's escalated. Sorry about that.

True enough.

Good talk, Russ.

I don't get to have my first beer?

If you were born in Blair County, you've already had plenty.

I have no memories of Altoona, but from the pictures of my infancy I'd say your generalization is statistically sound.

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

That's about right, sadly.

One of our state senators proposed an alternative currency in Tennessee in anticipation of the economic collapse of the US after Obama took office. That might actually be his car.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

I see things like that here...minus the loser/traitor flag.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

I see things like that here...minus the loser/traitor flag.

Here you go.

 

[Fennis]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

I see things like that here...minus the loser/traitor flag.

Here you go.

did he get in an fight with the coexist car next to him

 

[CGRdrJoe]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

I always love these guys. Spouting out right and left about fighting for freedom and then in the next breath ranting about how people should only speak english

 

[Tennessee_ATO]

http://imgur.com/gallery/ezgQNqA

I see things like that here...minus the loser/traitor flag.

Here you go.

"Dump the Dog Eater"? That's a new one for me.

 

[flufhed]

Louisiana is debatable...New Orleans is 2.5 hours away from me and that's a different world.

Truth.

I would say Northern Louisiana for sure is deep south, definitely not southeast Louisiana, and then the rest is sort of gray.

 

[flufhed]

Alabama, Mississippi, Southern half of Georgia, parts of South Carolina Northern Florida and panhandle, and Louisiana North of Baton Rouge.

 

[Foosball God]

Alabama, Mississippi, Southern half of Georgia, Northern Florida and panhandle, and Louisiana.

Add Arkansas and this works for me.

 

[RC94]

The states south of the Donna Dixon line.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Is this typical deep south parenting?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988548/Neighbor-describes-girl-run-death-crying-begging-stop-grandmother-yelled-running-later-spanked-collapsed.html

 

[Christo]

Is this typical deep south parenting?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988548/Neighbor-describes-girl-run-death-crying-begging-stop-grandmother-yelled-running-later-spanked-collapsed.html

Is this typical non-Deep South parenting?

http://fox59.com/2015/03/10/babys-throat-cut-with-power-saw-grandmother-in-custody/

 

[Jack White]

I recently came back from a trip to the "Deep" South.

Quite frankly, I find these people anything but deep.

I was in West Virgina. This is the kind of place where people read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter, in case they stumble upon a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.

I went to my first square dance in West Virginia. Here's an activity I don't get nearly enough of, huh? I go out to dance, I go to express myself. These people are into being ordered around the floor by some neo-fascist Sam Drucker, some bizarre BF Skinner hoedown.

How did you ever come away with the impression that West Virginia was part of the south?

Yeah, my bad. I blew the joke. Correction follows.

*************************************

I recently came back from a trip to the "Deep" South.

Quite frankly, I find these people anything but deep.

I think the only more backward place I've ever been is West Virginia. This is the kind of place where people read the Sunday comics with a yellow highlighter, in case they stumble upon a particularly meaningful passage in Beetle Bailey.

I went to my first square dance in West Virginia. Here's an activity I don't get nearly enough of, huh? I go out to dance, I go to express myself. These people are into being ordered around the floor by some neo-fascist Sam Drucker, some bizarre BF Skinner hoedown.

************************

It's an old (mid-1980s) Dennis Miller bit that I tried to recite from memory.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Whole states:

Alabama

Georgia

Mississippi

South Carolina

Partial:

Southern parts of North Carolina and Tennessee

Northern parts of Florida

Eastern parts of Louisiana and Arkansas

 

[flapgreen]

Deeeep South here bros

 

[flapgreen]

Whole states:

Alabama

Georgia

Mississippi

South Carolina

Partial:

Southern parts of North Carolina and Tennessee

Northern parts of Florida

Eastern parts of Louisiana and Arkansas

Northern TN and Southern Kentucky are same as the rest of the South.

 

[wikkidpissah]

it ain't cicada-buzz swampy or nothing, but the James River country of Virginia is as Deep as anything the South has to offer.