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Is he going to get some goal line carries ?
what kind of split between him and Addai ?
what kind of split between him and Addai ?
What we do know is rookie RB Delone Carter is just what the Colts need when it comes to getting those hard yards.
What we don’t know is when he passes backup Donald Brown on the depth chart.
So you're saying that even if Carter is a stud at running the ball this year and just decent at pass production, he won't be the starting RB?I'm not buying that. RB's do get better at pass protection. Saying that he won't be the #2 RB in Indy for the entire year is a bit extreme, imo.Addai is the starter Brown will be the change of pace and backup to Addai. Carter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less. The Colts will not trust a rookie RB with no OTA's/mini camps to protect Manning comming off neck surgery. Carter wont see any work outside of what I listed above due to the fact that Manning will change the play to a pass at anytime thus forcing Carter into pass protection. It's for this reason Carter will not be the #2 RB in Indy this year. Even if Addai gets injuried expect to see alot more of Brown than Carter.
I think most of us are saying the same thing: very little short-term value, but could hit big later in the season. In a redraft with short benches, I think I'll just let someone else draft him, get frustrated after a few weeks, and drop him. That's when I'll drop one of my failed WR fliers for guys like Carter, Jonathan Stewart, etc., who could pay off big in the playoffs.IIRC, Addai himself played himself into a big role as a rookie due to his ability to pass protect (and the ineffectiveness of Dominic Rhodes). As mentioned, Carter's ability to be able to protect Manning will likely be a big factor in his playing time. Not sure how much of a receiver he is though, as that will also be a factor as to how big of a role he may inherit.Given the not-overly-impressive players ahead of him on the depth chart, I view him as a stash away guy to see what happens. Best case is that he's a lottery ticket on a potent offense, worst case is that he's another Mike Hart that you inevitably drop for someone else.
Doubtful. With as many audibles as Manning calls up close, my thought would be that short-yardage situations will be spread around between all three backs.Carter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less.
Not sure why they would trust him on 3rd and 1 and 2nd and goal for that matter. I just don't see the "absolutes" when it comes to all three of these backs.The Colts will not trust a rookie RB with no OTA's/mini camps to protect Manning comming off neck surgery.
I would say that McFadden does not/did not fit this profile at all. He wasn't ineffective for two years, he was injured. Donald Brown has just flat out sucked for two years, no injuries, no opportunity issues....just sucking. Very different situation.Addai is Addai. Average RB, very good blocker, good receiver. His blocking and understanding of the offense are incredibly valuable on passing downs and the two minute drill, but he's not good enough to be a feature back on even an effective rushing team. Sounds a bit like Kevin Faulk, which is where I see him going. I still think Brown factors into the mix as he wouldn't be the first RB to make a jump in year three (see McFadden). I suspect that ultimately, we'll see a three headed RBBC with Addai filling the Faulk type role, and Carter being more of a traditional back, but still with room for Brown.
Thinking anyone is gonna come in and take over Mannings boy spot, your out of your mind. Especially a rookie, at least at this point. He has to wait for Addai to get hurt to become a factor. I love the hype around players who have done nothing, its comical.So you're saying that even if Carter is a stud at running the ball this year and just decent at pass production, he won't be the starting RB?I'm not buying that. RB's do get better at pass protection. Saying that he won't be the #2 RB in Indy for the entire year is a bit extreme, imo.Addai is the starter Brown will be the change of pace and backup to Addai. Carter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less. The Colts will not trust a rookie RB with no OTA's/mini camps to protect Manning comming off neck surgery. Carter wont see any work outside of what I listed above due to the fact that Manning will change the play to a pass at anytime thus forcing Carter into pass protection. It's for this reason Carter will not be the #2 RB in Indy this year. Even if Addai gets injuried expect to see alot more of Brown than Carter.
Ever try a dynasty league - the only guys available to draft are "players who have done nothing". Lighten up Francis!Thinking anyone is gonna come in and take over Mannings boy spot, your out of your mind. Especially a rookie, at least at this point. He has to wait for Addai to get hurt to become a factor. I love the hype around players who have done nothing, its comical.So you're saying that even if Carter is a stud at running the ball this year and just decent at pass production, he won't be the starting RB?I'm not buying that. RB's do get better at pass protection. Saying that he won't be the #2 RB in Indy for the entire year is a bit extreme, imo.Addai is the starter Brown will be the change of pace and backup to Addai. Carter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less. The Colts will not trust a rookie RB with no OTA's/mini camps to protect Manning comming off neck surgery. Carter wont see any work outside of what I listed above due to the fact that Manning will change the play to a pass at anytime thus forcing Carter into pass protection. It's for this reason Carter will not be the #2 RB in Indy this year. Even if Addai gets injuried expect to see alot more of Brown than Carter.
You have said that twice now in this thread, and it just isn't true. That pass to rush ratio is for inside the 20, but the Colts will absolutely run the ball like everyone else inside the 5. Do you not remember Javaris James last year? Average back who could run strong in short yardage (relative to anyone else on the roster). Those TDs will go to Carter this year plus a few more as Carter is more talented and better built for short yardage than James. If the Colts have someone who can do it, they will run in those situations.Doubtful. With as many audibles as Manning calls up close, my thought would be that short-yardage situations will be spread around between all three backsCarter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less.
NOBODY knows that now - he is the type of player you want on your reserves so that if/when he is the starter or getting most of the RB touches for the Colts you can play him (or trade him).Is he going to get some goal line carries ?what kind of split between him and Addai ?
Published Fri Sep 2 1:14:34 p.m. CT 2011(TheHuddle) Indianapolis Colts RB Donald Brown could be on the roster bubble according to 1070 The Fan's Jon Michael Vincent.Analysis: Brown has never stepped up and claimed a big role in the Colts plans despite being the 27th overall pick of the 2009 NFL draft. Incidentally the Colts passed on Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, Beanie Wells, and LeSean McCoy to take Brown. If he is released then rookie RB Delone Carter vaults up cheatsheets as Joseph Addai's clear handcuff.
I am not just making this up out of thin air. The Colts through the ball near the goalline SUBSTANTIALLY more then the league average. In the last 6 full seasons....From the 5 yard line: 12 passing TDs, 6 rushing TDsFrom the 4 yard line: 11 passing TDs, 5 rushing TDsFrom the 3 yard line: 9 passing TDs, 7 rushing TDsFrom the 2 yard line: 7 passing TDs, 13 rushing TDsFrom the 1 yard line: 13 passingTDs, 24 rushing TDs.All told: for the last 5 seasons, the colts have scored 52 passing touchdowns and 55 rushing touchdowns. Contrast that with pittsburgh in the same time frame (22 passing TDs vs. 48 rushing TDs) or the Patriots (40 passing TDs vs. 65 rushing) and it's hard to dispute that the Colts pass more from close range then most other teams. I like Carter and his potential. But the idea that he's going to emerge in a role that the Colts haven't utilized in the last 5 years is a bit of a reach.You have said that twice now in this thread, and it just isn't true. That pass to rush ratio is for inside the 20, but the Colts will absolutely run the ball like everyone else inside the 5. Do you not remember Javaris James last year? Average back who could run strong in short yardage (relative to anyone else on the roster). Those TDs will go to Carter this year plus a few more as Carter is more talented and better built for short yardage than James. If the Colts have someone who can do it, they will run in those situations.Doubtful. With as many audibles as Manning calls up close, my thought would be that short-yardage situations will be spread around between all three backsCarter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less.
This is about what I see. And that OL is still pretty bad so I am not very high on any of them. In a PPR league though Addai has value. Carter won't have much value unless both Brown and Addai are hurt. That could happen given their proclivity to injury, but still, I wouldn't want a third string back on a team that doesn't run block well.Addai is the starter Brown will be the change of pace and backup to Addai. Carter will see short yardage and runs from the 5 yard line or less. The Colts will not trust a rookie RB with no OTA's/mini camps to protect Manning comming off neck surgery. Carter wont see any work outside of what I listed above due to the fact that Manning will change the play to a pass at anytime thus forcing Carter into pass protection. It's for this reason Carter will not be the #2 RB in Indy this year. Even if Addai gets injuried expect to see alot more of Brown than Carter.
This is not exactly accurate. Brown has been injured too most of those first two years. He also has had to master a difficult pass blocking system, and that set him back. But mostly, the IND run blocking has been horrible. Their whole approach to running IMO is horrible; how often will they hike the ball to the QB in the shotgun and then handoff and the back is supposed to run straight ahead into a pile of tacklers? Anyway, the first few games as a rookie Brown looked explosive, and then got hurt, and he has never really been healthy since. DMAC had two really bad years before he broke out last season in his third.I would say that McFadden does not/did not fit this profile at all. He wasn't ineffective for two years, he was injured. Donald Brown has just flat out sucked for two years, no injuries, no opportunity issues....just sucking. Very different situation.Addai is Addai. Average RB, very good blocker, good receiver. His blocking and understanding of the offense are incredibly valuable on passing downs and the two minute drill, but he's not good enough to be a feature back on even an effective rushing team. Sounds a bit like Kevin Faulk, which is where I see him going. I still think Brown factors into the mix as he wouldn't be the first RB to make a jump in year three (see McFadden). I suspect that ultimately, we'll see a three headed RBBC with Addai filling the Faulk type role, and Carter being more of a traditional back, but still with room for Brown.
Sorry mate, Brown's 3.8 YPC during ample opportunity, combined with his pedestrian preseason and Carter's emergence= Done.This is not exactly accurate. Brown has been injured too most of those first two years. He also has had to master a difficult pass blocking system, and that set him back. But mostly, the IND run blocking has been horrible. Their whole approach to running IMO is horrible; how often will they hike the ball to the QB in the shotgun and then handoff and the back is supposed to run straight ahead into a pile of tacklers? Anyway, the first few games as a rookie Brown looked explosive, and then got hurt, and he has never really been healthy since. DMAC had two really bad years before he broke out last season in his third.I would say that McFadden does not/did not fit this profile at all. He wasn't ineffective for two years, he was injured. Donald Brown has just flat out sucked for two years, no injuries, no opportunity issues....just sucking. Very different situation.Addai is Addai. Average RB, very good blocker, good receiver. His blocking and understanding of the offense are incredibly valuable on passing downs and the two minute drill, but he's not good enough to be a feature back on even an effective rushing team. Sounds a bit like Kevin Faulk, which is where I see him going. I still think Brown factors into the mix as he wouldn't be the first RB to make a jump in year three (see McFadden). I suspect that ultimately, we'll see a three headed RBBC with Addai filling the Faulk type role, and Carter being more of a traditional back, but still with room for Brown.
You may be right; we'll see. But citing Brown's 3.8 ypc in his first two years hardly qualifies as a strong argument.What if he had a 3.49 ypc in three years with 362 attempts? That sounds really bad doesn't it? You wouldn't expect that back to have a future, would you? And, this back was given MUCH more of an opportunity to start than Brown.Sorry mate, Brown's 3.8 YPC during ample opportunity, combined with his pedestrian preseason and Carter's emergence= Done.This is not exactly accurate. Brown has been injured too most of those first two years. He also has had to master a difficult pass blocking system, and that set him back. But mostly, the IND run blocking has been horrible. Their whole approach to running IMO is horrible; how often will they hike the ball to the QB in the shotgun and then handoff and the back is supposed to run straight ahead into a pile of tacklers? Anyway, the first few games as a rookie Brown looked explosive, and then got hurt, and he has never really been healthy since. DMAC had two really bad years before he broke out last season in his third.I would say that McFadden does not/did not fit this profile at all. He wasn't ineffective for two years, he was injured. Donald Brown has just flat out sucked for two years, no injuries, no opportunity issues....just sucking. Very different situation.Addai is Addai. Average RB, very good blocker, good receiver. His blocking and understanding of the offense are incredibly valuable on passing downs and the two minute drill, but he's not good enough to be a feature back on even an effective rushing team. Sounds a bit like Kevin Faulk, which is where I see him going. I still think Brown factors into the mix as he wouldn't be the first RB to make a jump in year three (see McFadden). I suspect that ultimately, we'll see a three headed RBBC with Addai filling the Faulk type role, and Carter being more of a traditional back, but still with room for Brown.
Looking at Colts' site though, it lists Carter as #3, so who knows?http://www.colts.com/team/depth-chart.html (Joe Horn is in the house at WR.Delone Carter: Listed as Colts' No. 2 Back on Depth Chart - 9/6/2011 11:26:56 AM Update: Carter is listed as the No. 2 running back on the Colt's most recent unofficial depth chart, ESPN reports.Recommendation: It's just a depth chart listing, so it's not set in stone, but it wouldn't be a surprise for Carter to quickly become the backup to Joseph Addai given Carter's strong preseason and Donald Brown's lackluster preseason (and poor showing last year). If the Colts use two-tight end sets to run the ball more with Kerry Collins at quarterback, it could be Carter who benefits from the change in game plan since he may be the best inside runner of Indy's running backs.http://www.rotowire.com/Delone-Carter-googid217267-spnfl.htm
One of the Colts forums posted the full press release online yesterday that contains the mysterious "unofficial" depth chart updates.Looking at Colts' site though, it lists Carter as #3, so who knows?http://www.colts.com/team/depth-chart.html (Joe Horn is in the house at WR.Delone Carter: Listed as Colts' No. 2 Back on Depth Chart - 9/6/2011 11:26:56 AM
Update:
Carter is listed as the No. 2 running back on the Colt's most recent unofficial depth chart, ESPN reports.
Recommendation:
It's just a depth chart listing, so it's not set in stone, but it wouldn't be a surprise for Carter to quickly become the backup to Joseph Addai given Carter's strong preseason and Donald Brown's lackluster preseason (and poor showing last year). If the Colts use two-tight end sets to run the ball more with Kerry Collins at quarterback, it could be Carter who benefits from the change in game plan since he may be the best inside runner of Indy's running backs.
http://www.rotowire.com/Delone-Carter-googid217267-spnfl.htm)
It has since been updated and the depth chart at colts.com shows carter as the #2.'zamboni said:Looking at Colts' site though, it lists Carter as #3, so who knows?http://www.colts.com...epth-chart.html (Joe Horn is in the house at WR.Delone Carter: Listed as Colts' No. 2 Back on Depth Chart - 9/6/2011 11:26:56 AM
Update:
Carter is listed as the No. 2 running back on the Colt's most recent unofficial depth chart, ESPN reports.
Recommendation:
It's just a depth chart listing, so it's not set in stone, but it wouldn't be a surprise for Carter to quickly become the backup to Joseph Addai given Carter's strong preseason and Donald Brown's lackluster preseason (and poor showing last year). If the Colts use two-tight end sets to run the ball more with Kerry Collins at quarterback, it could be Carter who benefits from the change in game plan since he may be the best inside runner of Indy's running backs.
http://www.rotowire....17267-spnfl.htm)
Bolded is far from determined.Carter is the best "runner" they have so I would think he gets some carries to start and likely ends up the main ball carrier after a few weeks. Addai I see becoming more of a Kevin Faulk role and a passing down back to keep him healthy. Addai isn't just injury prone he is known to tap himself out alot and not willing to play injured. Brown has done nothing even with several chances to shine.
Basically there is no back to really own in Indy unless Addai is hurt then it would be Carter.
More thoughts about this. With recent tweets and news that Manning is going to be out longer I believe this is even better for DC.1. Simplified more balanced offense that will include dump offs and vertical strikes with Collins at QB. WR's have to learn simple things like how to run routes with him and where he is going to throw balls on routes like slants. Kerry was a signing that hypothetically keeps the defense honest. A veteran with a track record throwing the ball. In sum... Look for more carries at RB. If Collins comes out and goes vertically bonkers I will be super surprised. Granted when was the last time the man had keys to an offense with this many weapons!?2. Look for the team to invest in DCs future by getting him increased carries. If you're going to possibly struggle anyways then management should have an attitude such as let's see what we have and groom a player like DC for next season or even as a future shift in thinking, because you don't replace a Manning if he isn't going to make it back. His strengths also mesh well with current situation.3. If the Manning situation shifts LT negative look for the trade off of some WR talent. Why would they need so many mouths to feed with a future shift in offensive methodology. Wonder if they would sign a player like Garrard. Might of been more interesting than Collins.All in all.. I'm positive. I think DCs stock is going up.I was thinking about this. Peyton being out will lead to a different offense all together. I don't think it's a stretch to believe that could shift in DC's favor. He has a reputation as a plodder and very well may be called on to do quite a bit of plowing.
'Abraham]I am not just making this up out of thin air. The Colts through the ball near the goalline SUBSTANTIALLY more then the league average. In the last 6 full seasons....From the 5 yard line: 12 passing TDs said:I appreciate you looking those numbers up. Howver, that is a measurement of their success of passing inside the five versus running it, not attempts. Edge has been gone the last five years, so during those years the Colts RB's have been Addai, Rhodes, Brown, Hart, and Javaris James. Other than James last year, the short-yardage and goal line running and blocking has been terrible for the last 2-3 years. The Colts have still tried. I would love to see the stats of attempts and on which down they attempted the goal line run and pass inside the five and ten. I'm a season ticket holder and watch every single game in person or on TV. They will attempt those goal line runs. The success rate is TBD. I think the line is not very good, especially in run blocking. And now with the Manning situation I doubt there will be nearly as many goal line opportunities. I still believe that the Colts have not had a talented runner who could power between the tackles since Edge. Javaris James, Dom Rhodes, and Mike Hart all had heart, ran hard, and were decisive but were never as talented or as powerful as Carter looks to be. And Addai is no inside runner. He isn't decisive. IMO the only success you will have running the ball between the tackles with the Colts line is with someone who hits the hole hard and quickly. Being patient and dancing/hopping around like Addai doesn't work when the line can only open a crease for a moment. I believe Carter fits better than anyone has in years. He will get his chance if the Colts are ever in a position to give him the goal line opportunities (the big problem).
I didn't know Jim Caldwell is a member on these boards?Is he going to get some goal line carries ?what kind of split between him and Addai ?