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DeMeco Ryans traded to Eagles (1 Viewer)
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Because he doesn't fit 3-4.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Posted on the Eagles' message board from a guy with some Texans insight. Take it FWIW:
Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.
Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
Just listening to the local radio show here in san antonio and they had ND Kalu (from san antonio) on air. He said he spoke with a some of the guys from the Texans via text and phone. He said that guys was very upset to see him go because he was a leader. He also said that they knew he wasn't the same player, that the injury he suffered was very severe. He also stated that the Texans felt he was shell of his former self therefore only getting a 4th rounder for him.
Last thing is that a few teams was in on the trade bid for D.Ryans according to Kalu, with the Cowboys having the best offer (3rd rounder). Dallas pulled out when advised by their team doctors to do so. Other teams were offering 5th and 6th rounders.
Jeff Vader
Footballguy
Well now it makes sense.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
The Texan were snug against the cap when they released Vickers. Now this.They are freeing up room just to sign their rookies, for starters.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
He was being replaced quite often early in the season by Darryl Sharpton before Sharpton was injured. Although he played better later in the season, it's an understandable move given he's now basically only an early-down LB, Sharpton's return, and our cap situation.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Which injury?That ACL or achilles he had in his 2nd or 3rd yr seemed to set him back from his Bama days and rookie yr but he was still solid.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Per Rotoworld:
Pretty significant salary for Ryans. Eagles will probably want him to restructure his contract.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Let's cut Jacoby Jones first then look at the cap...
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You may have to because I think Houston just ate 4.5 million in guaranteed bonus' but gained 5.8 from losing his base salary. Vickers saved you like 2 million and you were only down about 600k before LV's release. Im not sure if you have cut anyone else though.Sitting at about 3.3 under the cap. Jacoby Jones has almost no cap hit from bonus and will save you 3 million, which would be enough to cover the rookie crop.Let's cut Jacoby Jones first then look at the cap...
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Sounds good to me...How would it work for Kevin Walter?You may have to because I think Houston just ate 4.5 million in guaranteed bonus' but gained 5.8 from losing his base salary. Vickers saved you like 2 million and you were only down about 600k before LV's release. Im not sure if you have cut anyone else though.Sitting at about 3.3 under the cap. Jacoby Jones has almost no cap hit from bonus and will save you 3 million, which would be enough to cover the rookie crop.Let's cut Jacoby Jones first then look at the cap...
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BigSteelThrill
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Not sure on his #s. Walters guaranteed was 11 million... but I can only account for 8m million of that 11m guaranteed already being paid. His salary is 3.5 million, so it may not be a savings at all with that 3 million guaranteed not accounted for which cud be escalated if cut.Sounds good to me...How would it work for Kevin Walter?You may have to because I think Houston just ate 4.5 million in guaranteed bonus' but gained 5.8 from losing his base salary. Vickers saved you like 2 million and you were only down about 600k before LV's release. Im not sure if you have cut anyone else though.Sitting at about 3.3 under the cap. Jacoby Jones has almost no cap hit from bonus and will save you 3 million, which would be enough to cover the rookie crop.Let's cut Jacoby Jones first then look at the cap...
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Houston turmOiler
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certainly makes sense...good info thanks. I actually like Walter OK, just think he's way overpaid for a guy who can't run and should be a #3. He's tough and will take a lick though. Looks like he's pretty much locked in for another year with that deal at least. It just seems like we have too much money tied in to the #2 and 3 WR spots, considering the lack of production and the cap situation...
Gopher State
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Eagles 2012 DREAM TEAM??????????????????????
Will miss DeMeco immensely but this isn't a surprising move. Rumor was a week or two ago that he might get outright cut as a cap casualty. The Texans don't save much this year but his number for next year was huge at like 9mil. That's a ton for someone who got outplayed by a 2nd year player taken in the 4th round.
Injuries have ruined him (ruptured achillis, elbow injury in preseason last year and had to play with air brace all year) and the switch to a 3-4 that doesn't really suit him. Wish him the best and hopefully he can get healthy and get somewhere near that one time Defensive rookie of the year level.
Injuries have ruined him (ruptured achillis, elbow injury in preseason last year and had to play with air brace all year) and the switch to a 3-4 that doesn't really suit him. Wish him the best and hopefully he can get healthy and get somewhere near that one time Defensive rookie of the year level.
Snotbubbles
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Scared?
Heard on the radio this morning that Kevin has agreed to a pay cut. Wasn't written in stone, but I think that's what is going to happen.'BigSteelThrill said:Not sure on his #s. Walters guaranteed was 11 million... but I can only account for 8m million of that 11m guaranteed already being paid. His salary is 3.5 million, so it may not be a savings at all with that 3 million guaranteed not accounted for which cud be escalated if cut.'Houston turmOiler said:Sounds good to me...How would it work for Kevin Walter?'BigSteelThrill said:You may have to because I think Houston just ate 4.5 million in guaranteed bonus' but gained 5.8 from losing his base salary. Vickers saved you like 2 million and you were only down about 600k before LV's release. Im not sure if you have cut anyone else though.Sitting at about 3.3 under the cap. Jacoby Jones has almost no cap hit from bonus and will save you 3 million, which would be enough to cover the rookie crop.'Houston turmOiler said:Let's cut Jacoby Jones first then look at the cap...'BigSteelThrill said:'cstu said:
GroveDiesel
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He ruptured his Achilles 2 years ago (his 4th year) and didn't see nearly as much field time last year. Partly because of the switch to the 3-4, but also due to his diminished physical abilities. The Achilles seems to be the one injury that guys just never are able to be the same after. It's an extremely damaging injury and you just can't fix tendons well. At his salary levels, he is overpaid by quite a bit unless he can miraculously heal more than any other player before him with that injury.'Kenny Powers said:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Two problems I continue to have with the DeMeco Ryans narrative:
1. Ryans was not a poor fit for the 3-4 that Phillips uses. In fact, he's a very good fit as a 3-4 WILB. The issues with playing time in Houston had to do with subpackages, in which Wade elected to play more dime than his usual 4-2-5 looks. Ryans sitting in those packages has nothing to do with his fit in a 3-4. In fact, he actually supported the run very well on base downs last year, despite recovering from the Achilles.
2. An Achilles injury is not a death sentence. Takeo Spikes has had a very successful post-Achilles injury career. Derrick Burgess, Greg Ellis and Julian Peterson had explosive, double-digit sack seasons after Achilles tendon repairs. Ryans looked a bit hesitant early last year, then had an elbow problem to fight through, too. There were some zone depth issues and he was a little less consistent in getting off blocks, but he's not washed up.
We'll see how Ryans handles the Wide 9 behind the current PHI DT group, but I think this deal makes sense for both teams. Wade didn't feel that Ryans could contribute in coverage in subpackages. There's no reason to pay above-average money to a base defensive ILB. The Eagles haven't wanted to overspend in FA or the draft for linebackers. Although they will pay Ryans a sizable contract, for the cost of what would likely be a questionable rookie investment, they're getting a solid veteran talent and locker room presence.
1. Ryans was not a poor fit for the 3-4 that Phillips uses. In fact, he's a very good fit as a 3-4 WILB. The issues with playing time in Houston had to do with subpackages, in which Wade elected to play more dime than his usual 4-2-5 looks. Ryans sitting in those packages has nothing to do with his fit in a 3-4. In fact, he actually supported the run very well on base downs last year, despite recovering from the Achilles.
2. An Achilles injury is not a death sentence. Takeo Spikes has had a very successful post-Achilles injury career. Derrick Burgess, Greg Ellis and Julian Peterson had explosive, double-digit sack seasons after Achilles tendon repairs. Ryans looked a bit hesitant early last year, then had an elbow problem to fight through, too. There were some zone depth issues and he was a little less consistent in getting off blocks, but he's not washed up.
We'll see how Ryans handles the Wide 9 behind the current PHI DT group, but I think this deal makes sense for both teams. Wade didn't feel that Ryans could contribute in coverage in subpackages. There's no reason to pay above-average money to a base defensive ILB. The Eagles haven't wanted to overspend in FA or the draft for linebackers. Although they will pay Ryans a sizable contract, for the cost of what would likely be a questionable rookie investment, they're getting a solid veteran talent and locker room presence.
Shutout
Footballguy
I think this is one of those rare "win/wins" for both teams.
Obviously the texans free up salary and get Sharpton in there and all that but the Eagles get exactly what they have been missing in their 4-3 and they free up flexibility in their draft. They were probably going to be compelled to take a top LB early and now they have a proved guy that fits their system better than the Texans.
The injuries are an x-factor, no doubt. We don't know how that will work out but like someone mentioned; Takeo Spikes has been a terrific player following an achilles injury and, to me, it seemed like Ryans was playing really well later in the season last year. The stats weren't there but he was doing his job and was doing it despite the elbow injury (just the appearance of that cast on his arm looked like it would make a man lose his balance).
I think he will be a noticeable asset for the Eagles this year. His stats likely will never be what they were those first few early years but they could be top 15 or so for fantasy I think. The eagle DO play those types of games that lend opportunity for some good stat games by the defense.
Obviously the texans free up salary and get Sharpton in there and all that but the Eagles get exactly what they have been missing in their 4-3 and they free up flexibility in their draft. They were probably going to be compelled to take a top LB early and now they have a proved guy that fits their system better than the Texans.
The injuries are an x-factor, no doubt. We don't know how that will work out but like someone mentioned; Takeo Spikes has been a terrific player following an achilles injury and, to me, it seemed like Ryans was playing really well later in the season last year. The stats weren't there but he was doing his job and was doing it despite the elbow injury (just the appearance of that cast on his arm looked like it would make a man lose his balance).
I think he will be a noticeable asset for the Eagles this year. His stats likely will never be what they were those first few early years but they could be top 15 or so for fantasy I think. The eagle DO play those types of games that lend opportunity for some good stat games by the defense.
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