fatguyinalittlecoat
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Is he still a promising politician? I'd be surprised if he were elected to any political office in the future but I guess we'll see.
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Democrats Done Grappling - Credible rape Allegation Propels Fairfax to run for Governor (1 Viewer)
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TobiasFunke
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So does that mean that the conservative perspective is #metoounlessyouareawhitebillionaire?
I haven't been following this story closely because it's not my state, but if there's no particular reason to doubt the accuser's story Fairfax should be gone, yesterday.
But that's a decision that belongs to everyone who isn't a member of Donald Trump's party. You all have lost your seat at the table for this particular conversation.
Ramblin Wreck
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I still think it's more likely than not he doesn't finish his term. But yes, even if he does hang on, Lt. Governors only get a single term, and there's no way he's getting elected to any other office.
sho nuff
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Ramblin Wreck
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TobiasFunke
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The ones calling out the Dems for not doing what they have repeatedly refused to do? They absolutely are.
Fairfax has called for an FBI investigation. Everyone wants that, and they want the results to be public, and if any legitimate investigation finds that it's likely that the allegations are true I promise you he'll be gone immediately. If you can't see the difference between that approach and how the GOP has dealt with allegations of sexual assault and harassment and physical abuse levied against Trump, Kavanaugh, Porter, Greitens and others, it's because you're trying not to look.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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I'm not up on all the details but I know Fairfax claimed the interaction with the first accuser was consensual. How is an FBI investigation going to determine whether it was consensual or not to any degree of confidence? I mean, I guess if she told a bunch of people she got assaulted right after the incident that's pretty good evidence but I'm not sure that's enough to say it's likely the allegations are true.
Maybe if the FBI turns up a whole bunch of additional accusers but this story's been out for a while it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen.
Republicans are asking for hearings, that is it. The women are asking for Fairfax to resign. Democrats are trying to stonewall any public hearings. From the Kavanaugh hearings, Democrats told us:
1. Women should be heard
2. Women have no reasons to lie
3. Zero tolerance for sexual assault
4. If you don't buy into 1,2, and 3, you are an uncaring human being.
Democrats in the Fairfax case are taking a 180 on all these. The Republicans are doing are pointing out the Democrats inconsistancies.
TobiasFunke
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I haven't been following the details of the Fairfax case. If what you say is correct then the Dems absolutely should have hearings (public or private, whatever the women prefer) and should be criticized if they refuse to do so. That would be awful, and if I lived in VA I would have trouble voting for any Dem who participated in the stonewalling.
But Republicans don't get to be the ones doing the criticizing. Sorry, but no. Clean your own filthy ####pile of a house before worrying about whether your neighbor needs to tidy up.
The Commish
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To be fair, the GOP has been completely consistent in their silence. They lead both the house and senate in VA at the moment. If they want to bring this up and run with it, they can. At THAT point it would be hypocrisy. So far, they have avoided that trap.
ETA: And I do think the "let the legal process play out in another state" stuff from the Dems is weak as well, but that's all they've got. If the GOP wants to act, there is nothing stopping them no matter what the Dems say.
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matttyl
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GoBirds
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/virginia/articles/2019-04-02/the-latest-plans-fall-through-for-justin-fairfax-hearing
So weird Dems don’t want to look into this.
So weird Dems don’t want to look into this.
Widbil83
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So much for the people up thread trying to blame Republicans for staying silent!https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/virginia/articles/2019-04-02/the-latest-plans-fall-through-for-justin-fairfax-hearing
So weird Dems don’t want to look into this.
The Commish
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They don't need the dems and no matter how much you try to spin you won't be able to excuse your way around that fact. But keep trying. It's sad that this is a political thing to a lot of you. They should do the right thing and investigate regardless of how hypocritical doing so makes them look.
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GoBirds
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Based on what I've heard I believe his accusers, so I would prefer he just resign. But as long as he maintains his innocence, he is entitled to due process.
Can someone explain why the hearings need to be bipartisan, and what the Democrats' objection is?https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/virginia/articles/2019-04-02/the-latest-plans-fall-through-for-justin-fairfax-hearing
So weird Dems don’t want to look into this.
If I were a GOP lawmaker and wanted to do the right thing, I would call for hearings and let Democrats be the ones publicly supporting a rapist. And if I were a GOP lawmaker who wanted to hurt Democrats politically ... I would call for hearings and let Democrats be the ones publicly supporting a rapist.
The Commish
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They don't need to be bipartisan....full stop. That's the GOP's "want". I'll leave it to you to determine their sudden desire for bipartisanship on a sexual abuse charge. The Dems' weak ### excuse is that they want law enforcement to do their job and investigate (which is in a completely different state and would require official charges be brought) before they weigh in as if what happens in another state's judicial purview has any bearing on what the legislators in VA can/should do. They're both being lame, but it's unsurprising the supporters of one side are ignoring half the lameness trying to avoid the reality that the GOP is actually being consistent here and THAT is not a good thing.
TL'DR: You are spot on in your post, but that just puts a spotlight on the hypocrisy of their actions even if it IS doing the right thing for a change.
The Commish
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bull####
Doing the right thing is doing the right thing regardless of what your opponent thinks.
In fact, it is not even the Republicans who are insisting the hearings be bi-partisan, it is the two women:
"Both women have said they want to testify in front of the General Assembly. Cox, in his statement, said Republicans have reached out to both women and they are willing to share their stories at a legislative hearing, but only if there is bipartisan cooperation to conduct the hearing."
"Both women have said they want to testify in front of the General Assembly. Cox, in his statement, said Republicans have reached out to both women and they are willing to share their stories at a legislative hearing, but only if there is bipartisan cooperation to conduct the hearing."
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The Commish
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I'll be clearer.....this part is bull#### which is unmitigated opinion not "simple basic fact"....sorry for the confusion.
GoBirds
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The Commish
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Again, the right thing to do is to get this investigated...period. I will concede that I appreciate the alleged victims desire for bipartisanship. It's sad that private citizens have to walk the politicians through this and this does give the GOP cover going forward. That doesn't explain away GOP inaction over all these months til the recent interviews. They're all playing political games and so are those who are only choosing to focus on one side or the other.
To be clear "well, we need to let the legislative process out of state play out first...nothing we can do (throws up hands) and "well, we asked them to be part of this but they refuse until the legislative process out of state plays out (throws up hands) are equal wrong and cowardly.
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The women want to be heard. They want Fairfax to resign. Neither want to disrupt their lives by being involved in a criminal case in another state. Testifying in a Senate hearing is their choice in the matter. Everything the Dems claim to stand for is being thrown out the window to protect Fairfax. Really unbelievable. This is not about the GOP, they are being quiet listening to the will of the victims. Democrats are playing politics and being extreme hypocrits and doing massive harm to a movement they claim to support.
The Commish is being his usual partisan self. This is pretty cut and dry.There goes the false agenda being pushed a few posts up, damn facts.
The Commish
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Mile High
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The Commish
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Interesting comment from one who whines about "making it personal" every other post...well done
I like how holding both groups accountable is now some sort of partisan wizardry....can't make this crap up
The Commish
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I agree
That's what you can't seem to understand
Holding both groups accountable is fair, except when it is only one of them who are way out of line, as is the case here.Interesting comment from one who whines about "making it personal" every other post...well done
I like how holding both groups accountable is now some sort of partisan wizardry....can't make this crap up
Ruffrodys05
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It's amazing to me that hypocrites love to point out hypocrisy in others while refusing to see their own hypocrisy.
It is amazing you actually see hypocrisy in how each side is dealing with this. Not really much to criticize with how the GOP is handling this. The Dems on the other hand, there is. Maybe you can bring up Trump as an excuse why the Dems are ignoring these women. That would be ridiculous, but quite expected.
GoBirds
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The Commish
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They're both out of line. That's where we disagree. I am confident I will find the people in here saying "the GOP is just doing as these women wish" were also in the Kavanaugh thread saying "McCaskell is simply doing as Ford wished and keeping her anonymous"....it was a
excuse then just as it is now. There's a reason these are seen differently, but yeah let's label those holding both accountable in both situations the partisan...well done
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SaintsInDome2006
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This is bizarre. What is a "bipartisan" hearing? Hold the hearing, subpoena Tyson and Watson.
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It is really really funny you put "the GOP is just doing as these women wish" in quotes, as the women are in fact saying this. This is not some GOP invention.They're both out of line. That's where we disagree. I am confident I will find the people in here saying "the GOP is just doing as these women wish" were also in the Kavanaugh thread saying "McCaskell is simply doing as Ford wished and keeping her anonymous"....it was a
The Commish
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It's political theater to avoid being viewed as "going after a black man" like jon said above.
The Commish
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Why is it funny to put in quotes the words that people are saying? Should I have used the quote box instead?
The Democrats are saying they will not even show up to the hearings. The women want it bi-partisan so it puts real pressure for Fairfax to resign (including a potential threat of impeachment) and can not be blown off as some kind of partisan witch hunt. Without support from Democrats, the hearings will be meaningless and have no teeth.
SaintsInDome2006
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- The Speaker should request the State AG or State Police investigate it.
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It is not theater, it is exactly the card which the Virginia democrats are playing.
The Commish
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According to #metoo women are suppose to have the right to be heard in their terms. These women do not want to have an investigation which can be used to cover up their story. They want to be heard in a public forum.
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SaintsInDome2006
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That's a good point, if the Dems don't show at all then it's pointless. - But supposedly they're also calling on Fairfax to resign? Crazy.
The Commish
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GOP holds every legal card necessary to move forward. The only reason they aren't is political and that's disgusting.
It's too expensive politically for them as you continue to outline but try to frame as something else.Similar threads
