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Tell that to Cutler.
Packers fans were just whining that the Pack was playing to lose too 
They ran a QB draw that was designed to score a touchdown.The problem isn't that they weren't going for the win. They were. The problem is just that they didn't get there.
But instead of "doing it better" - he should have done it earlier - on 2nd and 1. If you get 1 yard but don't make it in, spike it. 2nd and goal from the 3. With 15-20 seconds left, you have many options at that point. If you score a TD it's irrelevant. If you are sacked, spike it on 3rd down and let the FG team walk onto the field for an easy chip shot with the clock stopped.
I doubt with seconds left the Broncos D would be in a defense to allow m2m on the WRs.
DoubleG said:big0mar said:But instead of "doing it better" - he should have done it earlier - on 2nd and 1. If you get 1 yard but don't make it in, spike it. 2nd and goal from the 3. With 15-20 seconds left, you have many options at that point. If you score a TD it's irrelevant. If you are sacked, spike it on 3rd down and let the FG team walk onto the field for an easy chip shot with the clock stopped.
The kick was a second away from the gun.. if someone doesn't set right, its a false start and the game is over... It was a terrible call and very risky given the circumstances..Even if he makes it in, I still believe it was a bad call.. You can't risk losing the game on a play like that..
The above was my point exactly, however if going for the win is a designed play where Cutler doesnt sell the pass, puts his head down, and then falls into the back of his line - they need a better play call...
thats my point, they were playing for OT and got caught.....the draw call was conservative and to me an attempt not to lose the game more then to try and win the game.....roll out take a look.....if its not their throw it into the 3rd deck.....this team needed a win and they had it sitting right in front of them with plenty of time left.....I thought the pass to Marshall was conservative as well as it wasn't even close......
The pass to Marshall was conservative? If Cutler makes that throw, the Broncos win, as the DB had fallen down. The fear of doing a roll-out or a pass play is, what if Cutler takes a sack? And what if he fumbles and they do not even get a shot at the FG? GB seemed to have a good handle on Denver's roll-outs last night, so it is not like Cutler could have rolled out, had all day to look, and then thrown the ball away if nothing was open. Like I have said before, I think the draw was a good call. Had it worked and Cutler scored, everyone would be talking about what a gutsy and aggressive play call it was. But it didn't work, so suddenly it is a conservative call? I don't buy that.
a QB sneak/draw is gutsy and aggressive.........?......my bad.......the pass to Marsahll also conservative......had to be executed perfectly....no other options........Marshall cathes it or nothing.....I am just saying I thought Sanny who over the years has been one of the more aggressive coaches got real conservative.....they had that game....I thought they were going to go in and score.....and then they ran the ball and I couldn't believe it....then they almost don't get it off....I don't call that gutsy and aggressive, I call it almost insane.....why not roll out....avoid the rush....Cutler's got a gun....if something is there you take it....if not throw it away and kick the FG....as we saw, I think more could have actually gone wrong by calling the play he did....almost cost them not even getting to OT.....I know its taboo to say anything bad about Shanny, but he is definately calling a different game then he used too and I understand that, but this team could easily be 0-7......he was hoping Elam would bail him out in OT again....if he had it to do over again, I bet he wouldn't call the same play....he'll never admit it, but he would have done something that gave them a better chance of winning the game right there.....
If they make the first down, then they can spike the ball to stop the clock and kick the FG.
Your opinion probably differs from Shanahan's on that point.I'm not sure who's right and who's wrong about that. But the point of disagreement is not whether the Broncos should have tried to win it in regulation. The point of disagreement is whether the QB draw was more likely to win it in regulation than a slant or a fade.
the only benefit I could see in the draw was also the risk....that being whether you pick up a 1st down or not....had they picked up the first down then they could have stopped the clock (spike) and possibly had maybe two more shots at the endzone.....butthe risk was not getting the first down or the score and then having to take the FG....in that situation, I think a pass is a more aggressive play and gives a better chance of scoring....I even think a roll out is a better less risky play then a slant or fade....as a KC fan I could care less and love the way the game worked out.....but seriuosly, in my head i was thinkig here comes the bootleg play to a TE with a WR dragging aross the back and Cutler is going to zip it in there.....or throw it away.....when he ran the ball, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.....very unDenverlike......
I didn't like the call, it was too risky. They had practically a tie situation gauranteed and a chance to win the game by tossing the ball into Marshall.What they did is try some gimmick play instead of trying to score conventionally and it just about cost them the game. There was NO reason to risk losing the game for the play they called, none.
It was a GREAT call, but had the worst outcome:
Best outcome = catch the D napping and get the TD
2nd best outcome = get stopped short of the GL, but get the 1st down. Spike the ball, maybe try a throw into the endzone, kick the FG.
Worst outcome = what happened. They couldn't spike the ball to stop the clock since it was 4th down.
Could they (DEN) have asked for a measurement? Wouldn't that have given them some time to get the kicking team on the field a bit quicker?
But if you have 3rd down (1 play outside of the field goal).. why run the ball (with the potential of not making it, not getting your field goal unit on in time, and losing the game) vs picking up the 1st to only throw 1 more play anyways?I know the TD was a potential, but agree with the post that its not sound football and could have cost them the loss (which they received anyways)
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