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Denver RB Snapshot #1 (1 Viewer)

Who would you rather own?

  • Ron Dayne

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  • Tatum Bell

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  • Cedric Cobbs

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  • Mike Bell

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  • Marty Johnson

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  • Cecil Sapp

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I'm going to try to do a couple more of these during the course of the offseason, and maybe even the regular season, just so that we can get an accurate idea of just how the opinions towards the Denver RBs shifted during the year. I sure wish I did one of these last year so I'd have the data available this year. Hopefully we'll be able to use this data next year to predict trends in popular opinion if there's a battle at RB in Denver again.

Question Part 1:

If your fantasy draft just ended, and every Denver RB was a street free agent (i.e. wouldn't cost you anything), which RB would you rather own on your squad? No, "none of the above" isn't an option, so don't try to be cute. Imagine that you have an open roster slot and the only NFL players left to choose from are the potential Denver RBs. I'm focusing mainly on redraft, but if your Dynasty choice differs feel free to talk about it in the thread.

Question Part 2:

This one's a write-in. Please post in this thread what the highest you have any Denver RB ranked is (as well as which Denver RB it is that you have ranked that high).

Question Part 3:

Please give your general thoughts on the situation. Do you think that it's just a headache, and are actively avoiding it? Do you think it presents great value and are actively targetting it? Any other random thoughts or musings?

Please, no arguing or posting numbers or disagreeing or anything in this thread. This isn't where you try and change people's minds- there are plenty of other threads for that. I just want to see what the actual average opinion is on Denver RBs in general.

 
Question Part 1:

Ron Dayne is the Denver RB I would most like to own.

Question Part 2:

Depending on the scoring system, I have Ron Dayne ranked anywhere from 8th to 16th.

Question Part 3:

I personally feel that there is a lot of value in Denver RBs. Last year, Denver's #1 and #2 RB both finished the season ranked higher than Denver's RB1 is currently being drafted (Tatum Bell, RB24, as of Antsports on July 31st).

 
Question Part 1:

I'd most want to have Dayne. In fact, I just traded for him in one of my dynasty leagues.

Question Part 2:

I put Dayne in the #15 range.

Question Part 3:

I think it's a headache that presents great value. :P I've stashed Cobbs and M. Bell in several dynasties this off-season. Heck, I even have Cecil Sapp in a couple of leagues ... just in case. In my leagues we can carry 26 in the off-season and I'm a big believer in grabbing as many RB lottery tickets as you can before the exhibition games begin. No better place to go bargain shopping than Denver, imo.

 
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Question 1:

I would rather have Tatum Bell, even though I have Ron Dayne with slightly better projections. I projected Dayne/Bell to split work similar to Anderson/Bell last year. The reason I would rather have Bell is because he will be hard to keep off the field. I could see a Dayne implosion which gives Bell more opportunity, but I can't see the converse.

Question 2:

Well, right now Dayne is RB16 and Bell RB18, but I've only projected 19 teams, so they will end up around 30.

Question 3:

I certainly wouldn't say I'm actively avoiding Denver backs. The Broncos are going to rush for over 2000 yards like always. I'd be thrilled to get Dayne or Bell as an RB3. But right now it looks like RBBC and I'm not going to get too worked up over either guy.

 
I took Tinker Bell in the poll mostly because I feel Bell has the most upside, and because I feel Dayne will implode pretty much like his day's in NY :bag:

I see Denver's RB situation as a RB1 / RB1a just like last year and think although this may be great for Denver it really sucks for FFers ... RB's 12 - 16 would slot them for me

I'm not avoiding the situation in Denver but I'm certainly not looking at it as a source presenting great opportunity like with Anderson last season ... and I was one of the few that felt Anderson would be the guy last year ;)

:football:

 
Question Part 1:

I'd most want to have Dayne. In fact, I just traded for him in one of my dynasty leagues.

Question Part 2:

I put Dayne in the #15 range.

Question Part 3:

I think it's a headache that presents great value. :P I've stashed Cobbs and M. Bell in several dynasties this off-season. Heck, I even have Cecil Sapp in a couple of leagues ... just in case. In my leagues we can carry 26 in the off-season and I'm a big believer in grabbing as many RB lottery tickets as you can before the exhibition games begin. No better place to go bargain shopping than Denver, imo.
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you show a lot of faith in Ron Dayne..watching him with the Giants, he always looked good in preseason, and we kept hearing about 'lighning and thunder' with he and Tiki..it never happened..Just like when Giants fans warned Raider fans about Kerry Collins, we should probably warn you Dayne lovers that what you're watching is a mirage, he is the `complete` BUST. :wall: Please refrain from selecting him for you fantasy team! I'd say Bell more value and is a lock to finish as Denver's #1 RB IF they don't trade for another guy like TJ..
 
Q1 - Ron Dayne - I think there's a lot more faith in him by DEN coming into the season that he'll be able to withstand a full season....

Q2 - Round 6 or 7 would be where I would target Dayne.

Q3 - I think it would be a headache to try to deal with DEN backfield this year. If you could grab Tatum Bell it might be beneficial, but I'm in a league where RBs are valued extremely heavily, however we're only allowed to carry 4 (start 3) on our roster.

It would be fairly risky to reserve two spots for the DEN RBs, but it could also be valuable.....

 
Q1: Dayne. He's running with the first team and by early reports looks better than Tatum (although Dayne hasn't been lights out or anything).

Q2: RB15

Q3: Unlike some headaches (read: Jets RB situation), this is one worth watching. The value and precedent for a top10 RB nobody is there... even a Ron Dayne.

On another note, supposably, Mike Bell has impressed the most in camp. Not saying he is going to run with the 1st team anytime soon, but if I had a deeper roster, I'd definitely take a flyer on him since he's seperated himself from the other backups.

 
1) Voted Bell, although I have Dayne ranked higher. As far as I can tell, they are in the same "tier" - while Dayne may be rated higher, I feel that the difference is within the error of projections - I don't think that there is a statistically significant difference between the two.

Bell, on the other hand, has more upside. I think that because there is no established RB in Denver this year, if Dayne were to go down, Bell would take over as primary ballcarrier and will get a chance to back up his talk. I'm not convinced that Dayne can be a primary RB.

2) I currently have Bell at 22 and Dayne at 23.

3) the Denver backfield is gold - you just have to look for it and monitor the situation. It is difficult to second guess Shannahan - he is very prone to changing his mind - this flexability is one of his greatest attributes, IMO. One Shannahan truism - he will always do what is best for the team. So, to figure out what he will decide, determine what is best for the team.

 
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Question about the past...

In 2004 when Dayne was getting his 2nd chance with the NYG under Coughlin... was Dayne ever named the starter or running with the first team regularly?

I remember Tiki being quoted as saying he expected Dayne to get more carries, but was he ever listed as RB1 on the depth chart? I think everyone remembers his nice preseason game against the Chiefs... Which preseason game was that, and was Dayne running with the 1st or 2nd team?

 
1) I think this quote form OC Rick Dennison sums up my feelings on who the runningback to have this year is from Denver:

"He's a big guy who has good feet and goes downhill. He can go through guys and is quick enough to go around them. He'll always move the chains. And that's what we're all about."

Ron Dayne

Coachspeak? I don't think so, I've heard this quite a bit over the offseason. Moving the chains is what Denver is all about. Sure Tatum will get some carries but I think Dayne is the workhorse this year.

2) I have Dayne ranked 15 and I'd be very happy to take him in the 5th or 6th in a 12 team league.

3) Yes, in my opinion it's worth the headache and people will be amazed how Dayne can succeed. And this is coming from a Giants fan who has a bad taste in my mouth from the Ron Dayne experience.

 
Question about the past...

In 2004 when Dayne was getting his 2nd chance with the NYG under Coughlin... was Dayne ever named the starter or running with the first team regularly?

I remember Tiki being quoted as saying he expected Dayne to get more carries, but was he ever listed as RB1 on the depth chart? I think everyone remembers his nice preseason game against the Chiefs... Which preseason game was that, and was Dayne running with the 1st or 2nd team?
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KRS, read the article I linked to in my post above. Read everything Tiki said about Dayne, it is very true. Dayne didn't really have a chance in NY.
 
As I Giants fan, all this Dayne love is killing me :rant:

Anyway, I have him ranked in the 15-20 range (a little non-traditional scoring for our league/Scoresheet-style) and Bell a few slots behind.

I am not targeting either player in my draft, however I can see me grabbing Cobbs with the last pick (30th round/12 teams) as a no-risk, all upside pick. They'll be plenty of backup kickers and 4th/5th LBs, DBs, etc taken at that time and if Bell or Dayne were to fail or get hurt, this guy could be gold.

 
Bell, even though Dayne might project higher.......for now. If Bell gets 15-17 carries a game even, he'll have legit RB2 numbers. Don't see Shanny giving him the 20+ he would need to make him RB1, either because of breakdown possibilities or trying out someone else like Dayne or one of the others.

 
Question Part 1:

I'd most want to have Dayne. In fact, I just traded for him in one of my dynasty leagues.

Question Part 2:

I put Dayne in the #15 range.

Question Part 3:

I think it's a headache that presents great value. :P I've stashed Cobbs and M. Bell in several dynasties this off-season. Heck, I even have Cecil Sapp in a couple of leagues ... just in case. In my leagues we can carry 26 in the off-season and I'm a big believer in grabbing as many RB lottery tickets as you can before the exhibition games begin. No better place to go bargain shopping than Denver, imo.
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you show a lot of faith in Ron Dayne..watching him with the Giants, he always looked good in preseason, and we kept hearing about 'lighning and thunder' with he and Tiki..it never happened..Just like when Giants fans warned Raider fans about Kerry Collins, we should probably warn you Dayne lovers that what you're watching is a mirage, he is the `complete` BUST. :wall: Please refrain from selecting him for you fantasy team! I'd say Bell more value and is a lock to finish as Denver's #1 RB IF they don't trade for another guy like TJ..
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Please, no arguing in this thread. There are lots of other threads around to argue until your face turns blue. In this thread, I just want to gather as many truly unbiased opinions as I can, because knowing how the average Fantasy Football player feels gives you a tremendous advantage when drafting.
 
Question about the past...

In 2004 when Dayne was getting his 2nd chance with the NYG under Coughlin... was Dayne ever named the starter or running with the first team regularly?

I remember Tiki being quoted as saying he expected Dayne to get more carries, but was he ever listed as RB1 on the depth chart? I think everyone remembers his nice preseason game against the Chiefs... Which preseason game was that, and was Dayne running with the 1st or 2nd team?
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Answered my own question. Found the gamelog hereIt was preseason game 1, AKA starters get maybe 1 or 2 series. TIKI started that game and Dayne came in with the 2nd team.

Week 2 preseason, Tiki started the first series and Dayne relieved him.

Week 3 preseason, from the gamelog it looks like they rotated. Tiki got the first carry, then a 17 yard reception, then Dayne came in presumably to give Tiki a quick breath. Dayne came in the next series (they started at the Jets 32) and got two carries, 1 of which was a TD. Then it was pretty much Tiki the rest of the first half. Then it was pretty much all Dayne the rest of the game.

So far as I can tell, this is the first time Dayne has been the frontrunner at the RB position basically since 2001 or 2002.

Just wanted to refresh mine and everyone else's memory as to whether Dayne was really the starter under Coughlin and lost his job or whether he was clearly the #2 RB still all that time.

 
#1- I chose Bell over Dayne, but I think both are very nice players to have. I tend to still have questions about Dayne's running style, and feel he doesn't show the power and yardage after contact that I would like to see from a back that size. I also have questions about Bell, however, because I am not sure that he displays the vision and elusivenes needed to be a feature back. But he has worked hard to put on muscle and has shown a tremendous work ethic this offseason. In my current fantasy situation, I have Alexander and Jordan, so Bell fits perfectly for my team (perfect 3rd back). His downside is about what he did last year, and he is capable of have a big game with minimal carries (perfect for a bye week), but also has the upside of being a top 10 back if he makes improvements. Taking my situation out of the equation, I think it is extremely close, but I would still rather take Bell.

#2- Both should be ranked in the top 24, and I would rank Bell slightly higher due to the fact that I think he has more upside. I haven't compiled an official list yet, so I can't be more specific. However, I wouldn't want to rely on either as a starter for my team until they have displayed more.

#3- The situation is always a headache. It is not due to Shanahan, because although many feel he isn't honest about the depth chart, he has historically informed the public exactly what his opinions are about who will carry the load. The real problem is the inconsistency from year to year. A back could gain 1600 yards, and they will replace him with someone else just to avoid a large contract. Their system is very efficient, and that makes it extremely hard to pinpoint who will be productive from year to year. Being in a keeper league, it is important to think long term, and that picture is always a little cloudy when analyzing the Denver backfield.

However, like others have said, it is a volatile situation that presents extreme value. Basically, in dynasty leagues to want to obtain the next breakout performer, and trade him as soon as he is the starter. In a redraft, draft all of the Denver backs and ride the starter to the title. But, once you do find/obtain the starter in Denver, it is always hard to trade the player due to their production. I just don't think the starter in Denver can be considered a long term, reliable fantasy stud, because the player will change so frequently.

 
Can we get a special sub-forum for the Denver running game?
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lol . . . good one . . .why don't we get tired of discussing it?
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:shrug: I'm waiting for the TC report on today's practice. I hear Bell had a better day than he had been having, but fumbled at the goalline.
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I appreciate the fact that you guys are interested in the Denver RB situation, but there are several other threads that would be a better place to discuss it. Please, thanks, etc. :)
 
Question Part 1:

I'd most want to have Dayne. In fact, I just traded for him in one of my dynasty leagues.

Question Part 2:

I put Dayne in the #15 range.

Question Part 3:

I think it's a headache that presents great value. :P I've stashed Cobbs and M. Bell in several dynasties this off-season. Heck, I even have Cecil Sapp in a couple of leagues ... just in case. In my leagues we can carry 26 in the off-season and I'm a big believer in grabbing as many RB lottery tickets as you can before the exhibition games begin. No better place to go bargain shopping than Denver, imo.
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you show a lot of faith in Ron Dayne..watching him with the Giants, he always looked good in preseason, and we kept hearing about 'lighning and thunder' with he and Tiki..it never happened..Just like when Giants fans warned Raider fans about Kerry Collins, we should probably warn you Dayne lovers that what you're watching is a mirage, he is the `complete` BUST. :wall: Please refrain from selecting him for you fantasy team! I'd say Bell more value and is a lock to finish as Denver's #1 RB IF they don't trade for another guy like TJ..
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Please, no arguing in this thread. There are lots of other threads around to argue until your face turns blue. In this thread, I just want to gather as many truly unbiased opinions as I can, because knowing how the average Fantasy Football player feels gives you a tremendous advantage when drafting.
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WTF?! :confused: This didn't seem like an arguing-type response. And, there is no person here who can give an unbiased opinion, as there is no such thing. This seemed like a very well-reasoned approach from a Giant fan who has some experience with Dayne. If all you want is Dayne love, good luck in getting it. But, whether this guy is right or wrong in extending his NYG experience to today's Ron Dayne is beside the point. This was a very fair analysis, imho.

 
I picked Dayne if for no other reason his goalline carries. TDs equate to 60 yards rushing in my league, so TB will have to gain a helluva lot of yards to counter RD's goalline TDs if TB gets the nod as starter. Of course that's not a given.

 
WTF?! :confused:

This didn't seem like an arguing-type response. And, there is no person here who can give an unbiased opinion, as there is no such thing. This seemed like a very well-reasoned approach from a Giant fan who has some experience with Dayne. If all you want is Dayne love, good luck in getting it. But, whether this guy is right or wrong in extending his NYG experience to today's Ron Dayne is beside the point. This was a very fair analysis, imho.
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It very well might have been very fair analysis, but this is exactly the wrong place for it. I said in the first post that I didn't want this to turn into a discussion, or a place to post analysis. There are already a lot of other threads on page 1 that would be ideal places to post analysis or discussion.The point of this thread is to get a general consensus of what the average FFer thinks of the Denver RB situation so that I can ask the same 3 questions a month from now and see how perceptions have changed. If I could, I'd disable the quote feature entirely. I'm not concerned about what you think regarding what somebody else thinks... I just want to know what you think. Hence the 3 questions. :)

 
1. Dayne

2. Ranked #10-14

3. Not targeting this situation until I have 2 RBs secured on my roster. If I land Dayne in the 5th or later, then would look to start him only after he confirms my optimistic view - which should only take a week or two into the season. I'm fairly certain he'll succeed in this system (for reasons stated in several other DEN RB posts).

 
SSOG said:
WTF?!  :confused:

This didn't seem like an arguing-type response.  And, there is no person here who can give an unbiased opinion, as there is no such thing.  This seemed like a very well-reasoned approach from a Giant fan who has some experience with Dayne.  If all you want is Dayne love, good luck in getting it.  But, whether this guy is right or wrong in extending his NYG experience to today's Ron Dayne is beside the point.  This was a very fair analysis, imho.
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It very well might have been very fair analysis, but this is exactly the wrong place for it. I said in the first post that I didn't want this to turn into a discussion, or a place to post analysis. There are already a lot of other threads on page 1 that would be ideal places to post analysis or discussion.The point of this thread is to get a general consensus of what the average FFer thinks of the Denver RB situation so that I can ask the same 3 questions a month from now and see how perceptions have changed. If I could, I'd disable the quote feature entirely. I'm not concerned about what you think regarding what somebody else thinks... I just want to know what you think. Hence the 3 questions. :)
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Fair enough! my mistake in providing ANTI-Dayne speak :bag: ..I'll say this: here in the NY metro area, with Giants fans in particular, I don't think you could sell Dayne to anyone. I am, however, reading many articles and statements on fantasy websites that seem to indicate that there is a lot of love out there for Dayne, and many feel he is going to be a productive "quasi" #1 or #2, depending on who gets the starting gig in Denver..Many people feel he'll be a productive RB even in the Mike Anderson role, i.e., the short yardage goallline back who'll relieve Bell every couple of series, or so..what will likely happen, is once preseason games begin, you'll see Dayne on SportsCenter and his name will come up MORE frequently with every passing week, because he will run for 97 yards on 12 carries or something like that, or have a 100-yard game vs a supposedly good defense ( keeping in mind it is vs. second stringers) , and as a result his value will skyrocket. If you're trying to get an read on what'll happen to Dayne come fantasy draft time, i.e., where he'll be picked, I'd bet somewhere between RB 12-15..perhaps a 4th - 5th round pick in a 10 team league ( say some 40-45 picks into the draft), but a certified 4th round pick , at the very least, in a 12 team league..

again, imo, dayne is fool's gold. I wouldn't touch him for anything..but, thats me..others most certainly will..

 
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Fair enough! my mistake in providing ANTI-Dayne speak :bag: ..I'll say this: here in the NY metro area, with Giants fans in particular, I don't think you could sell Dayne to anyone. I am, however, reading many articles and statements on fantasy websites that seem to indicate that there is a lot of love out there for Dayne, and many feel he is going to be a productive "quasi" #1 or #2, depending on who gets the starting gig in Denver..Many people feel he'll be a productive RB even in the Mike Anderson role, i.e., the short yardage goallline back who'll relieve Bell every couple of series, or so..

what will likely happen, is once preseason games begin, you'll see Dayne on SportsCenter and his name will come up MORE frequently with every passing week, because he will run for 97 yards on 12 carries or something like that, or have a 100-yard game vs a supposedly good defense ( keeping in mind it is vs. second stringers) , and as a result his value will skyrocket. If you're trying to get an read on what'll happen to Dayne come fantasy draft time, i.e., where he'll be picked, I'd bet somewhere between RB 12-15..perhaps a 4th - 5th round pick in a 10 team league ( say some 40-45 picks into the draft), but a certified 4th round pick , at the very least, in a 12 team league..

again, imo, dayne is fool's gold. I wouldn't touch him for anything..but, thats me..others most certainly will..
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That's great, fantastic, thank you, SUPERB, stellar, whatever. THIS ISN'T THE THREAD FOR THAT. Is this really such a hard concept to grasp?In this thread, all I care about are the answers to the three questions. Please, don't quote anyone. Please, don't respond to anyone. Please, do not stimulate discussion about Dayne, Bell, Bell, Johnson, Sapp, Cobbs, or Olandis Freaking Gary. If you want to discuss the RB situation- which you obviously do- then might I recommend one of the following threads?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=254336

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=254346

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...98&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...56&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...50&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...91&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...94&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...96&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...09&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...21&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...65&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...73&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...94&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...47&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...54&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...49&hl=dayne

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...42&hl=dayne

Please don't respond to this post. If you'd like to post your answer to the three questions, though, that'd be absolutely fantastic and I'd really appreciate it. Thank you, and have a great day. :)

 
1. Bell by a nose

I just haven't seen enough of Dayne yet. If Dayne looks as good in preseason as Anderson did last year, this will certainly change. But personally, I suspect Dayne is not quite as capable as Anderson.

2. I would currently put Dayne and Bell down for 1000 yards and 10 TDs and rank them wherever they end up vs my other projections.

3. I use a VBD-ish drafting strategy using my rankings. I draft my highest ranked available player. If it happens to be Dayne or Bell, I will draft them.

I'm a big Broncos fan and am monitoring this situation closely. I think there is the *potential* for a lot of value, but I think things will shake out a bit more before my draft.

 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Guess now is a good time to bump this.
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I was planning on remaking the poll a couple times (once in early preseason, and once again right before the season opener) just to see how everything changed.In the interest of preserving this poll's integrity, as of August 7th, the results were:Ron Dayne [ 105 ] [40.86%]Tatum Bell [ 124 ] [48.25%]Cedric Cobbs [ 5 ] [1.95%]Mike Bell [ 17 ] [6.61%]Marty Johnson [ 3 ] [1.17%]Cecil Sapp [ 3 ] [1.17%]That Mike Bell number might be a touch high thanks to the news that just broke that he's running with the first team.
 
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1. Bell by a noseI just haven't seen enough of Dayne yet. If Dayne looks as good in preseason as Anderson did last year, this will certainly change. But personally, I suspect Dayne is not quite as capable as Anderson.2. I would currently put Dayne and Bell down for 1000 yards and 10 TDs and rank them wherever they end up vs my other projections.3. I use a VBD-ish drafting strategy using my rankings. I draft my highest ranked available player. If it happens to be Dayne or Bell, I will draft them.I'm a big Broncos fan and am monitoring this situation closely. I think there is the *potential* for a lot of value, but I think things will shake out a bit more before my draft.
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my brother, by Bell i KNOW you meant MIKE bell all along! :yes:
 
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