Derrick Henry for the 1.06 (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

i think they were always going to bring in a 3rd down receiving back.  Henry should still get most of the early down carries and goal line work.

Overall not really a surprise.

Dion is now a top 10 paid Rb and I just don't see $11.5 M guaranteed and $23m for 4 years as just third down receiving back pay. 

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Dion is now a top 10 paid Rb and I just don't see $11.5 M guaranteed and $23m for 4 years as just third down receiving back pay. 

The Titans may have bigger plans for him, but it rarely ends up working out trying to put a square peg in a round hole.  Last year he had a decent amount of carries but before that never even close to 100.

Reminds me of the Packers trying to make Montgomery a feature RB.  Some guys are what they are no matter what a teams plan for them.

 

[menobrown]

The Titans may have bigger plans for him, but it rarely ends up working out trying to put a square peg in a round hole.  Last year he had a decent amount of carries but before that never even close to 100.

You could cut and paste most of that statement and barely tweak the arbitrary 100 number and apply everything in that statement to Henry.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

You could cut and paste most of that statement and barely tweak the arbitrary 100 number and apply everything in that statement to Henry.

True, but Henry is only going into his 3rd year and was playing behind DeMarco who was a legit workhorse.  He still had 110/176 the past 2 seasons.

Lewis has been in the league 7 years and had 149 total carries from 2011-2016 before last years 180.  Lewis did miss 2 years but he has never been given many carries before 2017.

Are we to ignore his career and only focus on the one season he was used as a runner?

 

[menobrown]

True, but Henry is only going into his 3rd year and was playing behind DeMarco who was a legit workhorse.  He still had 110/176 the past 2 seasons.

Lewis has been in the league 7 years and had 149 total carries from 2011-2016 before last years 180.  Lewis did miss 2 years but he has never been given many carries before 2017.

Are we to ignore his career and only focus on the one season he was used as a runner?

The Titans did not pick Henry to  be Demarco's backup. He never did enough to replace him.  When he sits on his golden chance they went out and made the biggest FA RB signing.

That's the here and now and that's what I'm into.

When people start bringing up Dion in 2011 and talking about his 7 year career and this and that I realize they taking a hill and dying on it. They got an angle they are going to fight till the end. No thanks, I'm out on that. The here and now is where I'm at. You go ahead and label Dion a nothing third down guy and think back to 2011 but I don't see what that illusion is going to do for me in 2018.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

The Titans did not pick Henry to  be Demarco's backup. He never did enough to replace him.  When he sits on his golden chance they went out and made the biggest FA RB signing.

That's the here and now and that's what I'm into.

When people start bringing up Dion in 2011 and talking about his 7 year career and this and that I realize they taking a hill and dying on it. They got an angle they are going to fight till the end. No thanks, I'm out on that. The here and now is where I'm at. You go ahead and label Dion a nothing third down guy and think back to 2011 but I don't see what that illusion is going to do for me in 2018.

Do you think Lewis will have more carries than Henry this season in games when both are active?

 

[menobrown]

Do you think Lewis will have more carries than Henry this season in games when both are active?

No but that's not point of my post to which you responded either.

If you asked me who do I think will score the most fantasy points when both are active I'd have answered Dion. But that's not really the point of the post I made either.

A point of that post is that you are even asking me if Dion will get more carries. That I am saying I think Dion will outscore him in fantasy next season is a point of that post.Meaning I don't think the plan is for him to just be the third down back. He's a legit threat to be the top fantasy RB on the team, a legit threat to out snap and out produce Henry and yes to out carry him.

I totally get if people don't believe in Dion or believe in Henry so much that he'll ward off Dion. All good but this Officer Barbrady routine on the Dion signing is just not wanting to accept what just happened.

 

[-OZ-]

Titans agreed to terms with RB Dion Lewis, formerly of the Patriots, on a four-year contract.

The Derrick Henry bellcow status lasted for all of five days. The Titans released DeMarco Murray last Thursday and add the more talented Lewis to pair with Henry in what will likely be a backfield tough to figure out at times in 2018. Lewis is by no means just a pass-down back, as he proved late last season when he carried the Patriots' offense on his back. He can bang it between the tackles in addition to excelling in the pass game. Lewis is the latest in a long line of former ex-Patriots to head to Nashville. This will be a backfield to watch closely.

This is exactly why I said this type of trade should wait until after the draft...

Carried the pats offense on his back? He had 4 more carries than Henry last year. 22nd most carries in the league, 22nd most yards from scrimmage of the backs. On a team that passed the ball more than any team other than the chargers despite having the lead most of the year.  Dion didn't carry that offense, Brady did. 

More talented? I won't try to refute the opinion but we'll disagree. He brings things Henry doesn't and vice versa. 

It's going to be a really good tandem, but I will agree that Dion hurts Henry's value more than a rookie likely would have, and probably a bit more than my preferred FA RB, McKinnon. 

 

[Boone22]

Carried the pats offense on his back? He had 4 more carries than Henry last year. 22nd most carries in the league, 22nd most yards from scrimmage of the backs. On a team that passed the ball more than any team other than the chargers despite having the lead most of the year.  Dion didn't carry that offense, Brady did. 

More talented? I won't try to refute the opinion but we'll disagree. He brings things Henry doesn't and vice versa. 

It's going to be a really good tandem, but I will agree that Dion hurts Henry's value more than a rookie likely would have, and probably a bit more than my preferred FA RB, McKinnon. 

Just for clarity, those comments cam from Rotoworld. I just copied and pasted them in.

 

[Gandalf]

I think the Lewis signing for that kind of a contract tells us what the titans think about Henry. Best case it’s an Ingram/Kamara situation. But this caps Henry’s value and the time to trade him at peak value was last week, in my opinion.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Carried the pats offense on his back? He had 4 more carries than Henry last year.

"as he proved late last season when he carried the Patriots' offense on his back." - what they did over the course of the season isn't relevant to that statement since they were talking about once the team turned to Lewis as it's bellcow back - they were easing him back in early in the season.

And I think your taking "carried the offense" part too literally - obviously Brady is the key to that offense. I think it's clear they were talking about the run game even if it was worded hyperbolically.

 

[-OZ-]

"as he proved late last season when he carried the Patriots' offense on his back." - what they did over the course of the season isn't relevant to that statement since they were talking about once the team turned to Lewis as it's bellcow back - they were easing him back in early in the season.

And I think your taking "carried the offense" part too literally - obviously Brady is the key to that offense. I think it's clear they were talking about the run game even if it was worded hyperbolically.

Fair enough. Usually when the "carried X on his back" phrase is invoked it's referring to the player being the key to the offense or defense. 

It's possible I'm thinking more in line of basketball right now. 

Dion is a nice player with flashes. But he's not a guy who is going to elevate the offense to the next level. Imo of course.

 

[JohnnyU]

I can't wait for the low ball offers to come in to my inbox.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

The guy with pick 6 in one of the 3 leagues I have Henry put his pick on the block. I just offered Henry. He's probably reading this...

 

[Gawain]

It's difficult for me to give up the dream. There was some thought with Murray that he was the premier player, Henry was the rookie and Murray had been a top 5 back in the NFL.

Lewis isn't that. If Henry can't force touches through performance, he's just not the player I thought/hoped he was. Tough to see him as more than a RB2 though for 2018.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I can't wait for the low ball offers to come in to my inbox.

I WISH I'd get a lowball. At least it would be something I could work with. I'm not expecting any offers. Got turned down for pick 6. Trying to get 5 or 7.

 

[Boone22]

I’m not Meno so I can’t speak for him but since it looks like he and I are on the same side in this discussion I’ll give my opinion...

Based on my comments above I see him valued right around 1.05-1.06 based on the unknowns. I can’t see giving up the 1.03 or earlier as some people have mentioned.  My reasons being...

1) We don’t know how much he’ll be used in the passing game going forward.  With the new coaching staff and him not having a big resume when it comes to receptions that makes me a bit leary of him in PPR leagues.

and 

2) We don’t know whether Tenn will bring someone else in through the draft or Free Agency.

I guess I just can’t see spending MORE than the 1.06 at this point in time.  If you are willing to give up more to get him why not wait until after the draft to see how things shake out.  I don’t see his value increasing (beyond the 1.02-1.03) so why spend that now when there are still a bunch of unknowns.  

I think a potentially good comparison to Henry is Jordan Howard.  What do people feel his value is in rookie picks?  I think Henry could become a slightly better Howard if he becomes the unquestioned starter and everything falls just right. 

Guess I was off on this. He’s not even close to Howard this year.