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Derrick Mason traded to Houston (1 Viewer)

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per John McClain of the Houston Chronicle:

Texans have traded a conditional draft choice to Jets for WR Derrick Mason.

 
Could be much ado about nothin', but glad I don't own AJ.....wouldn't think they'd trade for a WR if he was gonna be back as quickly as they've been crowing all week

 
It makes a lot of sense from the Kubiak and Rick Smith "we'd better make the playoffs if we want to keep our jobs" angle.

I think Sunday proved the Texans need some more receiving options to keep teams honest if Andre Johnson is out. Raiders were stacking the line about as bad as you can. Multiple plays with one safety on the line of scrimmage and another playing 5 yards off like a linebacker.

Big question will be how long will it take him to pick up the offense and be able to work in effectively. I don't think the Texans offense is as complicated as the Patriots where Ochocinco is having problems picking it up. But word just was coming out yesterday that Mason was having problems learning the Jets offense though it was similar to the Ravens he came from. Not exactly a great sign for Houston.

 
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Good trade from the "we need a savvy veteran who can learn the playbook" point of view.

Bad trade from the "we need someone who isn't washed up" point of view.

 
My initial guess is that this is a better Texans' football move than anything that will consistently matter from a fantasy football standpoint. and I have some question about the football move.

 
My initial guess is that this is a better Texans' football move than anything that will consistently matter from a fantasy football standpoint. and I have some question about the football move.
I don't. We need a veteran who can also add a little toughness to that offense. Too many quiet guys. Also Mason can't do worse than getting thrown to almost a dozen times and only catch it once. Good move by Texans.
 
This looks like bad news for the AJ owners. This is almost exactly what IND did with the Manning recovery. They say that the player is going to be good to go then they just happen to bring in the "Veteran" as depth, then next thing you know the "Veteran" is named the starter. They may be looking at AJ being out longer than any of us want to hear.

 
This looks like bad news for the AJ owners. This is almost exactly what IND did with the Manning recovery. They say that the player is going to be good to go then they just happen to bring in the "Veteran" as depth, then next thing you know the "Veteran" is named the starter. They may be looking at AJ being out longer than any of us want to hear.
You could be right. But it could also be a case where their other WRs are just not getting it done. I heard on the radio today that Jacoby Jones was thrown to 11 times last week. Caught one ball. Hasn't done anything all year either. The Texans probably needed another hand even with AJ healthy.
 
This looks like bad news for the AJ owners. This is almost exactly what IND did with the Manning recovery. They say that the player is going to be good to go then they just happen to bring in the "Veteran" as depth, then next thing you know the "Veteran" is named the starter. They may be looking at AJ being out longer than any of us want to hear.
Why is this bad for AJ owners? He's still expected to be out 2 more weeks. Houston has 2 HUGE games coming up, they need to win one of them.
 
You are right that they need to win them, so that will be good for Houston. The reason it could be bad for AJ owners is that he may be out longer than they are telling us, however when when AJ comes back, it should be ALL AJ, ALL DAY!! Mason will be in during situational play (4-5 WR sets).

 
You are right that they need to win them, so that will be good for Houston. The reason it could be bad for AJ owners is that he may be out longer than they are telling us, however when when AJ comes back, it should be ALL AJ, ALL DAY!! Mason will be in during situational play (4-5 WR sets).
I've never seen the Texans run a 4 or 5 WR set? They always have a RB in, and a TE (Daniels).
 
This looks like bad news for the AJ owners. This is almost exactly what IND did with the Manning recovery. They say that the player is going to be good to go then they just happen to bring in the "Veteran" as depth, then next thing you know the "Veteran" is named the starter. They may be looking at AJ being out longer than any of us want to hear.
I think QB is a little different than WR in these situations.
 
You are right that they need to win them, so that will be good for Houston. The reason it could be bad for AJ owners is that he may be out longer than they are telling us, however when when AJ comes back, it should be ALL AJ, ALL DAY!! Mason will be in during situational play (4-5 WR sets).
I've never seen the Texans run a 4 or 5 WR set? They always have a RB in, and a TE (Daniels).
They don't. When they go empty set it is with multiple TE and/or a RB. They never put 5 WR on the field. They rarely even have 5 active WR on gameday.As to those who are suggesting this is in response to Andre's status, that is unfounded. That would be the likely reaction from an out-of-touch POV, but anyone who is aware of the Texans' WR situation and saw the game against Oakland last weekend knows that this is in response to the ineffectiveness of Jacoby Jones as opposed to any perceived setback from Andre (who hasn't even gotten on the practice field to be set back).
 
Not sure Mason is going to be able to cover for the loss of AJ and Mario. This team is just cursed. The AFC South has never been easier to win and they are just falling apart.

 
I'm not sure if Bryant Johnson (the de facto #3 WR while AJ is out) was even in there last Sunday either. He was questionable all week with a hamstring injury. I was at the game so it was hard to see sometimes, but noticed David Anderson playing as the 3rd WR quite a bit.

If we are down to David Anderson we are in a tough spot WR wise (he was cut by us, picked up by Denver in preseason, cut at end of preseason and then we signed him back when Walter suffered the shoulder injury after week 2.)

 
Mason has all the markings of a older, washed up WR. Can he be better than Jacoby? It sure sounds like it, but that's not saying much. Seems to me that, by the time he's fully acclimated, AJ is supposed to be back and then Mason - at best - sees the 4th most touches on that offense. Not interested.

 
Good trade from the "we need a savvy veteran who can learn the playbook" point of view.Bad trade from the "we need someone who isn't washed up" point of view.
Plus the last team is claiming he never learned their playbook and wanted to go home on Mondays and Tuesdays.
 
Mason should have retired. Dont know how he can help the texans...Maybe he will give them some inside info on the ravens for this week? Anyways I think BAL rolls HOU this week pretty easily...

 
Was Mason the best HOU could do?

I guess this should really put the Randy Moss coming back rumors to bed once and for all if the would not even give him a look....

 
Every week in the NFL is critical if you want to be in the playoffs, so I think speculating about AJ's injury is off base. This is a wise move whether AJ is missing two more weeks or the rest of the year.

 
Jacoby Jones has and always will be terrible. I think Kubiak finally realizes this, knowing his job is on the line. That said, Walters has always been primarily a blocking WR and at best the 4th option in the offense (AJ, Daniels, whoever is playing RB at the time, Walters). The problem with Jones has always been his tiny hands. I specifically remember during the draft how played up it was that he had the smallest hands and then to my horror watch Kubiak trot him out to field punts as well. Yes he's fast, but if he can't catch he's useless.

I don't think anyone should read into this any more than Houston taking a 7th round gamble on a player with a proven track record at actually catching the ball. Walters is a good WR but they need someone who has consistent hands on the other side to free up Daniels and Foster underneath, which is where the passes will be going. Right now, teams are crowding up and daring the Texans to go over the top and we saw that with the one long great catch Walters made at midfield against the Raiders. Yes Mason is old and not near what he used to be, but if he can demonstrate consistent hands, it should help back a safety out of the box to let those TE and RB routes underneath go for more yardage.

 
You are right that they need to win them, so that will be good for Houston. The reason it could be bad for AJ owners is that he may be out longer than they are telling us, however when when AJ comes back, it should be ALL AJ, ALL DAY!! Mason will be in during situational play (4-5 WR sets).
I've never seen the Texans run a 4 or 5 WR set? They always have a RB in, and a TE (Daniels).
They don't. When they go empty set it is with multiple TE and/or a RB. They never put 5 WR on the field. They rarely even have 5 active WR on gameday.As to those who are suggesting this is in response to Andre's status, that is unfounded. That would be the likely reaction from an out-of-touch POV, but anyone who is aware of the Texans' WR situation and saw the game against Oakland last weekend knows that this is in response to the ineffectiveness of Jacoby Jones as opposed to any perceived setback from Andre (who hasn't even gotten on the practice field to be set back).
Good posting to this and latest post
 
I agree that I wouldn't try to interpret this move as saying much about Andre's injury. It was pretty clear from how the Raiders game went that they need some help at WR when he isn't in there... and there's enough reason to question Jacoby Jones even when Andre is in there that this makes sense for only a 7th round pick. Even if he doesn't work out, it probably isn't much of a loss anyway for that late of a pick. Again, I attribute a fair amount of this to a front office that knows they have to make the playoffs trying to increase their chances as much as they can.

Buckna I agree, David Anderson was the 3rd WR last game. I'm not sure Bryant Johnson even saw a snap on offense. Mason should at least help add a red zone threat in the slot that Jacoby and Anderson aren't.

 
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I agree that I wouldn't try to interpret this move as saying much about Andre's injury. It was pretty clear from how the Raiders game went that they need some help at WR when he isn't in there... and there's enough reason to question Jacoby Jones even when Andre is in there that this makes sense for only a 7th round pick. Even if he doesn't work out, it probably isn't much of a loss anyway for that late of a pick. Again, I attribute a fair amount of this to a front office that knows they have to make the playoffs trying to increase their chances as much as they can.
Agreed. The WR position is broken and the front office and head coach are hanging onto their jobs by a thread, so they're throwing #### against the wall to see if it sticks (see the Iglesias signing as well). A conditional 7th round pick for a savvy (possibly washed-up) veteran is low risk high reward.
 
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It almost seems like "favor" between two franchises... HOU has a need at WR, NYJ wanted to dump Mason.

He (Mason) was benched on Sunday for being outspoken against the offensive coordinator and then they ship him out of town at first chance for next to nothing. I don't know... is there a financial reason to trade a player versus simply cutting him?

I certainly wouldn't read too much into the "replacement for AJ" theory though.

 
Until we hear otherwise, this to me seems like Houston needs depth at WR. We can all agree that Houston is lacking in the WR dept for as long as AJ is out. Houston had to do something to help their WR corp.

Mason always brought a good work ethic and great hands to the field. Maybe he left a bad situation in NY. I do not know and it makes no sense to guess. I do know that Mason's history is good.

 
Until we hear otherwise, this to me seems like Houston needs depth at WR. We can all agree that Houston is lacking in the WR dept for as long as AJ is out. Houston had to do something to help their WR corp. Mason always brought a good work ethic and great hands to the field. Maybe he left a bad situation in NY. I do not know and it makes no sense to guess. I do know that Mason's history is good.
It also gives Houston a person with extensive knowledge of their opponent this week. Does that gives them an edge - no idea. It's a move other teams have made - NE comes to mind.
 
I agree that I wouldn't try to interpret this move as saying much about Andre's injury. It was pretty clear from how the Raiders game went that they need some help at WR when he isn't in there... and there's enough reason to question Jacoby Jones even when Andre is in there that this makes sense for only a 7th round pick. Even if he doesn't work out, it probably isn't much of a loss anyway for that late of a pick. Again, I attribute a fair amount of this to a front office that knows they have to make the playoffs trying to increase their chances as much as they can.
Agreed. The WR position is broken and the front office and head coach are hanging onto their jobs by a thread, so they're throwing #### against the wall to see if it sticks (see the Iglesias signing as well). A conditional 7th round pick for a savvy (possibly washed-up) veteran is low risk high reward.
I agree.I think HOU just figured a 7th RD pick was worth moving for a guy who could easily be your #2 WR.
 
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