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If you were truly comfortable with characterizing this as a "sex club", you wouldn't need to change your claim and insult Squisition over several pages for disagreeing with that.
I have squistion on ignore. I responded to one post of his and gave it the respect that it merited (very little). Sorry you feel otherwise.
Dude, I tried being magnanimous with you over the weekend. You backed yourself into a silly position and got worked over. You ended up completely agreeing with my stance on this topic. I'm happy to let it go considering that apparently we don't actually disagree.
It’s not one post. You do tend to belittle everyone who disagrees with you either on this topic or on related, cultural topics. I’ve noticed it for months now: you adopt a very patronizing, rather insulting tone that doesn’t match your much more reasonable tone on non-cultural issues.
Yep.
It’s not a “political purpose” to feel sad over the death of a trans person. It’s not a “political purpose” to suspect that this person was murdered because they were trans, since we all know this happens more than a little in our society.
I think you guys are unreasonable on these issues. This is a great example. A handful of folks on "your side" can't even concede that the performer in question is a stripper. It's really hard to have a respectful conversation when one set of participants will simply deny reality even when there's video evidence sitting right there in front of them.
I care quite a bit about the rise in violence against Asians. Former President Trump again referred to the “China Virus” this weekend; it sickens me that we’re so used to his bigotry at this point that it is not roundly condemned anymore.
Also interesting since posts about violence against Asian-Americans have been met here with ridicule that the entire thing is overblown.
If this is about the children to Ron (it's not...it's about the political theater), but assuming it IS about the children, can you explain why his "concern" is narrowly focused on this one particular establishment only? We have an entire section of a city (Key West) that has all this kind of thing. We have entire beach communities that have this little, if not less clothing on them. There isn't a peep about any of that....why? Remember, the law from 1947 is his frame of reference and justification for the "complaint". That law isn't even about the children.
Me: Ivan, you’re being patronizing.
All true. Too bad it doesn't stop a some of them for doing it and/or protecting those that do.
On the flip side, it would be nice (or at least you probably can admit improve the optics a bit) if people seemed equally concerned about the oversexualizing of kids in any context - ie our examples about dance teams, etc.. Without fail the examples and outrage that we see are oral sex in a book (in an LGBTQ book), over sexualization (at a drag queen event), etc.
I think that stuff is distasteful myself. Also, I remember quite a bit of outrage by folks (mostly on the right) over the little girl dance team movie that was featured on Netflix. People were calling for boycotts of Netflix and there was stuff all over social media about it.On the flip side, it would be nice (or at least you probably can admit improve the optics a bit) if people seemed equally concerned about the oversexualizing of kids in any context - ie our examples about dance teams, etc.. Without fail the examples and outrage that we see are oral sex in a book (in an LGBTQ book), over sexualization (at a drag queen event), etc.
IF it was truly about oversexualization of kids, you would think the examples of things like the pageants and dance teams would affect more of these teens and have a bigger impact on helping them.
If wokeness was a religion, they could hide behind it like Ivan is with the grooming and psychological abuse of Jesus Camp.
I saw the video. And the level of nudity was not something I saw at the couple fabulous drag shows I’ve attended lately.
Cuties - right. I remember that as well. I thought a little bit of that was scenes outside the dance stuff, involving non-hetero relations, but not 100% sure. I forgot about that example - thanks. I also remember asking (or thinking) where there the outcry over the actual real life ones taking place, not fictionalized one on the TV.
Honestly, I’ve never been to one of those so it’s hard for me to have informed outrage. But based on my exposure to Sparkle Motion, I have concerns.
right, but:
I don't either.
the outcry is 100% because DeSantis wanted to do something about something he saw on libsoftiktok. That's it. Not all that different than what he did about Disney/Ready Creek.
1) Okay. And I would have concerns with toddlers being present at a nude beach. Particularly if the nude beach catered to them with a kids menu.
I’m with you as far as what should be outlawed or not outlawed. But I have no problem saying something is wrong if I believe it to be so. I think the situation depicted in that video is wrong. Period. But I also think Desantis’ approach to this is wrong. Just because I disagree with Desantis in particular or hostility to transgenders and cross-dressers generally doesn’t mean I have to defend what I consider indefensible. I’m not loyal to a team in that way. Never will be.
I get to tell you what to do.
Who are you talking about? Desantis? Posters here? Me? I get pissed when I’m watching a horror movie at the theater and there are little kids in the audience. The Jesus Camp video is absolutely sickening to me. If folks want to start a thread about those issues, I will happily offer my opinions.
Actually it only happens a little that they are murdered at all, let alone proven for being trans.
I’m more spiritual than religious, but I can’t compare sexual suggestive clubs to a church in terms of indoctrination.
I think that one could argue that sexual repression leads to more issues than being open with sexuality. I watched the video and it didn't look much different than what is on TV all the time.
Or South Beach or Key West or.....
Is that the group from Donnie Darko? 
slap it high!