Desean Jackson (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I had big expectations for Desean heading into the season. In returns leagues he seemed like a great bet to put up WR1 numbers. But so far he's been very disappointing. I haven't watched the Dream Team at all but why is he not even getting looks? Is there any hope for optimism or is it time to just unload this guy?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Same as he's always been. 5-6 big games per season, the rest eh. Just doesn't get enough catches to be consistant.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well. I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

No not a guy like Smith. But if I had an offer for Lance Moore or David Nelson, I'd have to consider it. Even in a return yardage league. I'm hoping he feasts pretty quickly here again but with Vick banged up, it doesn't look good.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Also am worried about DJAX. Drafted as my WR1/2 with TBMW. :(

And if Kafka has to step in, expect DJAX's value to go down even further, as he's not a deep ball passer. In any case, Vick is not looking like the guy from last year who lit up the league, and it doesn't look like he will ever be this year at least.

 

[glong989]

Should have been expected. He had around 50 receptions last season so it's simple math to know that he will have those 2/40 type games. Vick being concussed/hurt hand wont help either.

Lets wait and see how this progresses before offloading him for what will probably be a cheap price since no one is going to pay what you drafted him for.

 

[Tango]

By my unofficial count, Vick has zero attempts of a ball thrown 40+ yards.

That's problem #1 IMO.

They have been matriculating the ball down the field with McCoy, Vick scrambles and deepish passes (15-20 yds)over the middle. From what I have seen the bomb hasnt been in the mix so far and that's not a good thing for Djax.

After the first snap of the Redskins game on Monday night last November, Vick had 1 attempt and an 80 yard TD to DJax.

 

[fightingillini]

Never understand why PHI can't get the ball to Jackson in space, like on short crossing routes, because he can take it to the house on any play. PIT is doing this with Mike Wallace and turning Wallace into a stud fantasy WR.

That said, Jackson has never been a big reception guy, so he relies on the deep ball for his value....and when PHI isn't throwing that deep ball, he suffers. Great WR3, but most drafted him to be a good WR2, or even a weak WR1.

And it also looks like Vick's career year last year was an aberration, a perfect storm of everything going right. Teams are now taking away the deep ball and forcing Vick to make short throws and allowing Vick to scramble and gain some yards on the ground. Not allowing the big play gives Vick more opportunity to make a mistake, which he's doing more often.

I would just hold onto Jackson, unless you have depth at WR and can throw him in a deal to make an RB or QB upgrade. His value is pretty low right now.

 

[VaTerp]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

I swear people just repeat stuff until everyone thinks its true.

D-Jax had a great week one and didnt do much the last two weeks. Part of that is that's what you get with him. Part of that is he battled minor injuries during games the last two weeks.

With Maclin now dealing with a hamstring and Vick looking to be in the lineup for now, I expect D-Jax to bounce back strong this week.

But this is what you get with him. It's nothing new. I had him last season and love watching him play but he's just not the kind of WR who is gonna be consistent week in week out. He's a really small guy and if he doesnt hit on a few big plays then you are looking at some 2 for 32, 3 for 40 type stat lines. And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB.

This is why I felt he was a little overvalued by some coming into this year. But the one thing I kinda agree with above is that he is a good WR2 especially if your team is strong overall. There will be weeks where he goes off and can help put you in contention for league high scores.

 

[Shutout]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

I swear people just repeat stuff until everyone thinks its true.

D-Jax had a great week one and didnt do much the last two weeks. Part of that is that's what you get with him. Part of that is he battled minor injuries during games the last two weeks.

With Maclin now dealing with a hamstring and Vick looking to be in the lineup for now, I expect D-Jax to bounce back strong this week.

But this is what you get with him. It's nothing new. I had him last season and love watching him play but he's just not the kind of WR who is gonna be consistent week in week out. He's a really small guy and if he doesnt hit on a few big plays then you are looking at some 2 for 32, 3 for 40 type stat lines. And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB.

This is why I felt he was a little overvalued by some coming into this year. But the one thing I kinda agree with above is that he is a good WR2 especially if your team is strong overall. There will be weeks where he goes off and can help put you in contention for league high scores.

While it is true that he is like this (hit or miss), you have to have your eyes open that a lot of this is the QB and line play. Vick could never stay healhty as a frequent scrambler. So now he rides the pocket and he is getting hit a lot. The problem resides as much with how Vick is playing as anything DJAX is doing. I don't think anything changes until Vick improves. Until then, DJAX is what he always is, a guy that can get you 3/42 or a guy that can have that one huge bomb in a game. But in that light, he is no different than Devery Henderson or Nate Washington; you never know when/if it is going to happen.

 

[VaTerp]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

I swear people just repeat stuff until everyone thinks its true.

D-Jax had a great week one and didnt do much the last two weeks. Part of that is that's what you get with him. Part of that is he battled minor injuries during games the last two weeks.

With Maclin now dealing with a hamstring and Vick looking to be in the lineup for now, I expect D-Jax to bounce back strong this week.

But this is what you get with him. It's nothing new. I had him last season and love watching him play but he's just not the kind of WR who is gonna be consistent week in week out. He's a really small guy and if he doesnt hit on a few big plays then you are looking at some 2 for 32, 3 for 40 type stat lines. And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB.

This is why I felt he was a little overvalued by some coming into this year. But the one thing I kinda agree with above is that he is a good WR2 especially if your team is strong overall. There will be weeks where he goes off and can help put you in contention for league high scores.

While it is true that he is like this (hit or miss), you have to have your eyes open that a lot of this is the QB and line play. Vick could never stay healhty as a frequent scrambler. So now he rides the pocket and he is getting hit a lot. The problem resides as much with how Vick is playing as anything DJAX is doing. I don't think anything changes until Vick improves. Until then, DJAX is what he always is, a guy that can get you 3/42 or a guy that can have that one huge bomb in a game. But in that light, he is no different than Devery Henderson or Nate Washington; you never know when/if it is going to happen.

Which is why I said this "And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB."Obviously Vick has not played as well as last season but Jackson had a very good week 1. In weeks 2 and 3 both he and Vick were in and out of the lineup. Let's see what happens moving forward.

And I know it's popular opinion that Vick couldnt stay healthy as a scrambling QB but in 4 of his last 5 years in Atlanta he played 15 games 3 times and 16 once. The only years he missed significant time were when he broke his leg in pre-season and last year with the ribs. The shot he took where he broke his ribs last year was a flukish play when he got sandwiched trying to get into the enzone. This year, he's getting smacked around in the pocket. At his size, I think he actually is less likely to get hurt on the move.

 

[fightingillini]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

I swear people just repeat stuff until everyone thinks its true.

D-Jax had a great week one and didnt do much the last two weeks. Part of that is that's what you get with him. Part of that is he battled minor injuries during games the last two weeks.

With Maclin now dealing with a hamstring and Vick looking to be in the lineup for now, I expect D-Jax to bounce back strong this week.

But this is what you get with him. It's nothing new. I had him last season and love watching him play but he's just not the kind of WR who is gonna be consistent week in week out. He's a really small guy and if he doesnt hit on a few big plays then you are looking at some 2 for 32, 3 for 40 type stat lines. And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB.

This is why I felt he was a little overvalued by some coming into this year. But the one thing I kinda agree with above is that he is a good WR2 especially if your team is strong overall. There will be weeks where he goes off and can help put you in contention for league high scores.

While it is true that he is like this (hit or miss), you have to have your eyes open that a lot of this is the QB and line play. Vick could never stay healhty as a frequent scrambler. So now he rides the pocket and he is getting hit a lot. The problem resides as much with how Vick is playing as anything DJAX is doing. I don't think anything changes until Vick improves. Until then, DJAX is what he always is, a guy that can get you 3/42 or a guy that can have that one huge bomb in a game. But in that light, he is no different than Devery Henderson or Nate Washington; you never know when/if it is going to happen.

That's generally why I think Desean is more a WR3, and would be a great WR3. You want your WR3 to possess huge upside, one that could help carry you to a win if he catches that 60 yard bomb for a TD, and if he flames out, you're not losing too much to your competition. Problem is most drafted Desean as strong WR2 and he is just way to inconsistent for that.If you can trade for Desean for very cheap in a start 3WR league, I would.

 

[Sabertooth]

Should have been expected. He had around 50 receptions last season so it's simple math to know that he will have those 2/40 type games. Vick being concussed/hurt hand wont help either. Lets wait and see how this progresses before offloading him for what will probably be a cheap price since no one is going to pay what you drafted him for.

I didn't expect him to have less than 150 yards going into October.

 

[VaTerp]

Should have been expected. He had around 50 receptions last season so it's simple math to know that he will have those 2/40 type games. Vick being concussed/hurt hand wont help either. Lets wait and see how this progresses before offloading him for what will probably be a cheap price since no one is going to pay what you drafted him for.

I didn't expect him to have less than 150 yards going into October.

Last season Jackson had a hot start then his first 3 games in October were 3 for 19, 2 for 24, 1 for 19.So this IS to be expected. Sorry if the timing is not ideal for your FF team but this is the player you should have known you were getting.

 

[Da Guru]

D-Jax talent and speed are still there, it is more Vick not playing well than an issue with D-Jax. Vick seems to have regressed to his old ways and is not seeing the field.

Put Jackson on a team with a good passing QB and he would still be lights out.

 

[DoubleG]

D-Jax talent and speed are still there, it is more Vick not playing well than an issue with D-Jax. Vick seems to have regressed to his old ways and is not seeing the field.

Put Jackson on a team with a good passing QB and he would still be lights out.

The bolded. Last season, Vick was looking for DJax A LOT. This season, Vick has been dinged up, knocked out of two games (the two DJax had poor showings in) and in general, the Eagles o-line has been as bad as advertised (meaning less time for Vick to find Desean). IMHO, if Vick plays and the opposing team is not known for a good pass rush, DJax is a WR2 with upside. If Vick doesn't play or the opposing team is known for a good pass rush - he's a mediocre WR3.

 

[Kuz]

I had big expectations for Desean heading into the season. In returns leagues he seemed like a great bet to put up WR1 numbers. But so far he's been very disappointing. I haven't watched the Dream Team at all but why is he not even getting looks? Is there any hope for optimism or is it time to just unload this guy?

Last couple of weeks he's been a poor man's Manningham - I say he should be dropped ASAP

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I don't think I would unload him but he is a very feast and famine type player. He plays with a QB that seems to have a hard time looking past the first read and he holds onto the ball too long. Jackson also isn't really the first option as Maclin may have that role. The line stinks and as far as returns go, teams will be very hesitant to allow him to return the ball. I would feel comfortable with him as my #2 so long as the rest of my team was stacked. He will have games where he hits homeruns for you but he'll dissapear a lot as well.

I wouldnt get rid of him though for likes of Torry Smith though.

I swear people just repeat stuff until everyone thinks its true.

D-Jax had a great week one and didnt do much the last two weeks. Part of that is that's what you get with him. Part of that is he battled minor injuries during games the last two weeks.

With Maclin now dealing with a hamstring and Vick looking to be in the lineup for now, I expect D-Jax to bounce back strong this week.

But this is what you get with him. It's nothing new. I had him last season and love watching him play but he's just not the kind of WR who is gonna be consistent week in week out. He's a really small guy and if he doesnt hit on a few big plays then you are looking at some 2 for 32, 3 for 40 type stat lines. And the big plays require quite a few things to go right---protection up front, catching the D in the right play, throw from the QB.

This is why I felt he was a little overvalued by some coming into this year. But the one thing I kinda agree with above is that he is a good WR2 especially if your team is strong overall. There will be weeks where he goes off and can help put you in contention for league high scores.

Hey man, maybe you're watching a different Eagles team than I am. But if you don't think Vick is hanging onto the ball too long and a least partly responsible for the punishment he's taking, then I don't know what to tell you. Marino or Peyton, he ain't. This goes back to the last month of last season. For all the talk about he thought about studying while in his cell, maybe he just doesn't have it to grasp 2nd, 3rd and 4th reads. As an athlete, he's the best out there. As a pocket QB which he's kind of being forced to be, it just isn't happening. And Jackson's talents are suffering for it.

 

[Max Power]

I get the feeling he is going to become the new "Lee Evans" He end of year stats will justify a WR2 ranking, but he will always go off after you bench him for better options.

I'd still love to buy on him in a Dynasty league, but imagine his value is still too inflated.

 

[Max Power]

From Rotoworld...

After every game, the Eagles seem to have excuses for why DeSean Jackson was held in check. More of than not, it comes back to: The (insert team name here) had their safeties back 30 yards so we couldn’t get anything deep the DeSean.Oh, so teams don’t play off Mike Wallace? They don’t give Steve Smith or Greg Jennings or Calvin Johnson tons of room? The problem with Jackson isn’t the defense. It’s that, unlike the previously listed elite wideouts, D-Jax is a one-trick pony. Jackson doesn’t like to go over the middle, sporting alligator arms as we saw Monday night. He goes down easily upon contact. He has questionable hands. And when the Eagles need a critical play, they smartly go to Jeremy Maclin or Jason Avant.So on most days, Jackson is just a decoy. He’s a guy that runs really fast and straight. Perhaps that’s why the Eagles have not given him the contract extension he so desires. And it’s why he has these numbers over his last 16 games (including playoffs): 52 catches, 1,102 yards, four touchdowns. That’s an average of 3.2 catches for 68.8 yards and 0.25 touchdowns per game. With a sample size this large, it’s unrealistic to expect a change. The one or two big games per year don’t outweigh the airballs Jackson throws up for owners.

 

[JetMaxx]

He is a big play guy that hasn't brought the big play this year. All the Eagles seem to have gotten are alligator drops and fumbles at crucial times on PR. He seems disinterested and overly concerned about injury, i.e., the alligator arms and take notice of his effort on the first Vick INT last night, Jackson starts chasing the returner then falls to the ground like he had been shot when a blocker approached. I'd franchise him with the intent to trade him in the offseason and wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[Sabertooth]

He is a big play guy that hasn't brought the big play this year. All the Eagles seem to have gotten are alligator drops and fumbles at crucial times on PR. He seems disinterested and overly concerned about injury, i.e., the alligator arms and take notice of his effort on the first Vick INT last night, Jackson starts chasing the returner then falls to the ground like he had been shot when a blocker approached. I'd franchise him with the intent to trade him in the offseason and wouldn't think twice about it.

I couldn't see anyone giving up much for him. Whatever Brandon Lloyd was worth minus about 3 rounds in terms of draft picks. Even the Raiders wouldn't touch him

 

[Raiderfan32904]

In the preseason, about the time that Maclin had his mystery "illness" and his season was in doubt, DJAX looked like he'd have a bump in value this year. Most drafted him as a WR2 with upside, but he's barely been a WR3 this year, and oftentimes has let down owners. I'll be benching him for the immediate future, as they don't reward fantasy points for decoys. Could have had Maclin where I took DJAX.

 

[bulger2holt]

Starting next weeek, Jordy Nelson replaces DJax as my WR3.

 

[rickyg]

Starting next weeek, Jordy Nelson replaces DJax as my WR3.

Not advisable to bench djax vs Arizona. He will almost certainly catch a bomb or 2 a la torrey smith. I hear you on benching him though. From now on, he is a matchup WR3 for me, behind s. rice. But again, I would not bench him vs arizona. I think week 10 will be one of his explosions.

 

[habsfan]

He is a big play guy that hasn't brought the big play this year. All the Eagles seem to have gotten are alligator drops and fumbles at crucial times on PR. He seems disinterested and overly concerned about injury, i.e., the alligator arms and take notice of his effort on the first Vick INT last night, Jackson starts chasing the returner then falls to the ground like he had been shot when a blocker approached. I'd franchise him with the intent to trade him in the offseason and wouldn't think twice about it.

I didn't watch last night (and don't own DeSean) but I'm having trouble reconciling how the guy can be "afraid of contact" yet is returning punts(?)

 

[Dought Man]

Dont sit him folks. Next week against Arizona, he is prime for one of those 182/3 type games. I would set his floor at 100/2 next week.

 

[Sabertooth]

Dont sit him folks. Next week against Arizona, he is prime for one of those 182/3 type games. I would set his floor at 100/2 next week.

I wish I shared your enthusiasm. I just don't see it.

 

[Amused to Death]

“Whether I have the ball in my hands or not, I feel like I already established myself in this league as one of the great receivers,” said Jackson. “I just gotta go out there and keep doing what I can do. Stay healthy is the biggest thing. As long as I can stay healthy, regardless of where I’m playing, I think I’ll be alright. Just stay healthy and go out there and do my thing.”

http://phillysportsdaily.com/eagles/2011/09/29/desean-jackson-%E2%80%9Cfirst-priority-is-to-stay-healthy%E2%80%9D/

 

[dickey moe]

Dont sit him folks. Next week against Arizona, he is prime for one of those 182/3 type games. I would set his floor at 100/2 next week.

@ 100/2 as a floor for anybody.

 

[rickyg]

He does appear to be shying away from co tact while running routes over the middle. Ever since thy suntan Robinson hit last year. He is not the same player bc of that and the eagles have even running a more conservative offense that allows Vick to get rid ofthe ball more quickly do he doesn't get demolished in the pocket like he has been. All that spells less opportunities for djax and more for celek, maclin, and avant.

But when the eagles face a team with a weak pass rush, those are the weeks where Vick will have enough time to let a play develop and find desean deep. That's how you judge whether to start him or not moving forward.

Arizona defense is putrid. While I haven't seen their stats for rushing the passer I would imagine they are bad at it considering they lead the league in big pass plays allowed. It means that opposing qbs are getting the time to let the big play develop.

No way I'm benching djax vs Arizona. If he doesn't have a great game in week 10 he will be stuck to my bench permanently rest of the year regardless of matchup bc then something is wrong with him!

 

[jackdubl]

He's dropped at least two wide open touchdowns this season, probably more since I haven't been able to see every snap.

 

[glong989]

If you drafted him as your WR1 then shame on you. He's always been a boom/bust type guy. If you drafted well around him you should be able to pick up the slack he leaves at times. He has 3 pretty good games and 5 duds thus far - definitely less than you should have expected but there's still about 6 weeks left in the season so he could end up having several big games down the stretch. If you need more consistent production then maybe you start one of the higher floor guys, but to me you can't bench the guy unless you have a lot better options.

 

[gsmayes]

Remember when Chris Carter listed this guy as an elite receiver, while saying Calvin Johnson wasn't at his level? Good times.

 

[urbanhack]

He does appear to be shying away from co tact while running routes over the middle. Ever since thy suntan Robinson hit last year.

 

[rickyg]

He does appear to be shying away from co tact while running routes over the middle. Ever since thy suntan Robinson hit last year.

Sorry. Stupid iPhone autocorrect! That should have said "ever since that dunta Robinson hit last year". Lol

 

[Raiderfan32904]

He does appear to be shying away from co tact while running routes over the middle. Ever since thy suntan Robinson hit last year.

Sorry. Stupid iPhone autocorrect! That should have said "ever since that dunta Robinson hit last year". Lol

damnyouautocorrect!

 

[DoubleG]

He does appear to be shying away from co tact while running routes over the middle. Ever since thy suntan Robinson hit last year.

Sorry. Stupid iPhone autocorrect! That should have said "ever since that dunta Robinson hit last year". Lol

damnyouautocorrect!

I like thy suntan Robinson. Don't hate on the autocorrect.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I had big expectations for Desean heading into the season. In returns leagues he seemed like a great bet to put up WR1 numbers. But so far he's been very disappointing. I haven't watched the Dream Team at all but why is he not even getting looks? Is there any hope for optimism or is it time to just unload this guy?

Anyone who thought of a big play receiver who scores most of his points on long bombs and long TDs, and who caught 47 balls last year deserves what they got when they took him as a WR1, or high end 2. No WR1 should ever catch 47 balls.