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[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Detroit Lions Rumors: Bobby Carpenter Re-Signs



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With linebacker Zack Follett apparently no longer playing with the Detroit Lions going forward, there is a vacancy on the roster. Nothing has been officially announced just yet, but there are rumors floating around that linebacker Bobby Carpenter could fill the opening. Even before Follett broke the news about being done in Detroit and possibly with football, rumors were swirling about Carpenter, and it looks like he might have already been re-signed.From a radio host in Columbus:

breaking news the lions sign MY GUY Bobby CarpenterI will admit that I was skeptical of somebody that goes by "The Torg" having any inside information, but it turns out he and Carpenter have worked together before on 97.1 The Fan in Columbus. This makes me think that the above tweet is legit, especially with the news about Follett coming out. The Lions need another linebacker, and re-signing Carpenter would be a great move considering how well he played at the end of last season.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

Nothing is certain, they say it could be, but nothing is diagnosed yet.

One reporter speculated that it could be. The Lions did not.

They Leos are tight on injuries, he could have an issue, most likely is a stress fracture from the quick walking boot. But Xrays are negative, so how can it be a stress fracture? Anyone who has reported it as certainty is just guessing, like all of us.I hope we find out with certainty soon.

X-Rays usually won't reveal a stress fracture. It has to be an MRI or some type of bone scan.

I would assume a coaches statement would be xrays meaning all of them, but who knows.

 

[Ilov80s]

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

Nothing is certain, they say it could be, but nothing is diagnosed yet.

One reporter speculated that it could be. The Lions did not.

They Leos are tight on injuries, he could have an issue, most likely is a stress fracture from the quick walking boot. But Xrays are negative, so how can it be a stress fracture? Anyone who has reported it as certainty is just guessing, like all of us.I hope we find out with certainty soon.

X-Rays usually won't reveal a stress fracture. It has to be an MRI or some type of bone scan.

I would assume a coaches statement would be xrays meaning all of them, but who knows.

I don't believe an MRI was done yet. Schwartz said the team was conducting more tests still.ETA: Fairley is headed to Charlotte to see Dr. Robert Anderson per beat writer Chris McCosky.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Fairley has foot surgery, will miss a "significant portion of training camp".

As bad as the news is, I'm sure the Lions are breathing a sigh of relief that it wasn't more serious.

Link

Detroit Lions rookie defensive tackle Nick Fairley underwent foot surgery today and will miss “a significant portion of training camp,” the team said in a news release.

A person familiar with the situation said Fairley had a small fracture in his left foot and will miss three to four weeks.

Fairley limped off the practice field Monday after injuring his foot during pass-rush drills. He was in a walking boot Tuesday and visited orthopedic surgeon Dr. Robert Anderson in North Carolina today.

"The examination of Nick Fairley's foot today by Dr. Bob Anderson resulted in a diagnosis consistent with that of Lions team physicians that surgical correction was required," the team said in a release. "Accordingly, surgery was successfully performed this afternoon in Charlotte, N.C., by Dr. Anderson. Nick is expected to miss a significant portion of training camp.”

Fairley underwent X-rays Monday during practice, but Lions coach Jim Schwartz said they were negative at the time.

“At the tail end of Monday, we did some additional tests; we had some concerns, so yesterday, we sent him down, and he’s being seen this morning,” Schwartz said after practice today.

After this evening's announcement, Schwartz tweeted: "Tough news today for Nick. Obviously he won’t be able to practice, so he'll have to put in a lot of class time until he's back on the field. He was in great condition for camp & made a good impression the first couple days. Look forward to getting him back as soon as he's healthy."

The Lions are deep on the defensive line, but were counting on Fairley, the 13th overall pick, to be part of the tackle rotation with Ndamukong Suh and Corey Williams.

Speaking before surgery was announced, Williams said he still expected Fairley to be a factor this year.

Offensive lineman Isaac Sowells also worked out for the Lions today and said he expects to sign with the team this afternoon.

Running back Maurice Morris (hand), receiver Titus Young (leg), right tackle Gosder Cherilus (knee), cornerback Jack Williams (knee) and tight end Richard Dickson (undisclosed) also are out with injuries.

Morris has a cast on his right hand a day after leaving practice with an injury.

Young has not practiced since the first day of camp, and Cherilus is slowly recovering from December microfracture surgery on his knee.

 

[jurb26]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

 

[Ilov80s]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

 

[jurb26]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

 

[jon_mx]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

 

[meatwad1]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

 

[AmosMoses]

It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture.

update?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

Yes surgery and a foot is never good. The good news is the Lions have decent depth upfront without him.I personally wanted Prince A.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture.

update?

First, I will show the entire post and the post that I responded to, instead of just that single sentence you show above:

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

As of this writing, it is still not a fact that Fairley has a stress fracture. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but saying he does is nothing but speculation at this point, same as when I responded to the post above. The Lions have not announced anything and I don't think they will anytime soon. One writer reported today that Fairley has a small fracture in his left foot. See post 204. Knowing how secretive the Lions are about injuries, it's hard to say if this report is true or not.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

I think it is a little too soon to write Fairley off for the entire season. The fact that the Lions are not talking about what it is doesn't mean a thing. They never talk about injuries.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I heard 4 weeks and he won't be ready to be a starter for week 1 due to the lost camp time, per local sports show.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I heard 4 weeks and he won't be ready to be a starter for week 1 due to the lost camp time, per local sports show.

4 weeks seems like the consensus.

 

[jon_mx]

I was just thinking this forum needs more soothsaying psychic doctors who speculate and talk smack.

 

[AmosMoses]

It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture.

update?

First, I will show the entire post and the post that I responded to, instead of just that single sentence you show above:

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

As of this writing, it is still not a fact that Fairley has a stress fracture. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but saying he does is nothing but speculation at this point, same as when I responded to the post above. The Lions have not announced anything and I don't think they will anytime soon. One writer reported today that Fairley has a small fracture in his left foot. See post 204. Knowing how secretive the Lions are about injuries, it's hard to say if this report is true or not.

You don't know if it's a fact or not. Do you know what a fact is?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture.

update?

First, I will show the entire post and the post that I responded to, instead of just that single sentence you show above:

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

As of this writing, it is still not a fact that Fairley has a stress fracture. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but saying he does is nothing but speculation at this point, same as when I responded to the post above. The Lions have not announced anything and I don't think they will anytime soon. One writer reported today that Fairley has a small fracture in his left foot. See post 204. Knowing how secretive the Lions are about injuries, it's hard to say if this report is true or not.

You don't know if it's a fact or not. Do you know what a fact is?

My only point was someone made speculation sound like a fact. Maybe it will turn out to be a fact; maybe not. Regardless, until it is proven to be a fact, it's not one. It is speculation. If it is ever proven to be a fact, I will acknowledge it as one. Right now, it's not.That's all the time I will waste on this subject. It is getting off the topic of the thread.

 

[AmosMoses]

Do you know what a fact is?

Regardless, until it is proven to be a fact, it's not one.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture.

update?

First, I will show the entire post and the post that I responded to, instead of just that single sentence you show above:

Another fact, Nick Fairly is in a walking boot and it's apparently a stress fracture in his foot.

It is a fact that Fairley is in a walking boot. It is not a fact that he has a stress fracture. That was a local writer speculating, nothing more.

As of this writing, it is still not a fact that Fairley has a stress fracture. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but saying he does is nothing but speculation at this point, same as when I responded to the post above. The Lions have not announced anything and I don't think they will anytime soon. One writer reported today that Fairley has a small fracture in his left foot. See post 204. Knowing how secretive the Lions are about injuries, it's hard to say if this report is true or not.

You don't know if it's a fact or not. Do you know what a fact is?

My only point was someone made speculation sound like a fact. Maybe it will turn out to be a fact; maybe not. Regardless, until it is proven to be a fact, it's not one. It is speculation. If it is ever proven to be a fact, I will acknowledge it as one. Right now, it's not.That's all the time I will waste on this subject. It is getting off the topic of the thread.

I used the word apparently, you tried to disprove that it seems...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

it's all speculation anyway, but clayton/PFW say 3-4 weeks

Posted Aug. 03, 2011 @ 5:59 p.m. ET

By PFW staffLions rookie DT Nick Fairley is "expected to miss a significant portion of training camp" after foot surgery Wednesday, the club announced.

"The examination of Nick Fairley's foot today by Dr. Bob Anderson resulted in a diagnosis consistent with that of Lions' team physicians that surgical correction was required," the Lions said in a prepared statement. "Accordingly, surgery was successfully performed this afternoon in Charlotte, N.C., by Dr. Anderson."

The Lions' first-round pick in April's draft, Fairley suffered the foot injury on Monday.

According to ESPN's John Clayton, Fairley is expected to be out 3-4 weeks.

The way we see it

Fairley is expected to be a key part of the defensive line as a rookie, but the Lions are still solid up the middle without him, what with Ndamukong Suh already a star and Corey Williams a capable performer, too. The questions now are how much of the summer will Fairley miss — and how quickly can he catch up when he returns?

 

[hutchins929]

I'll speculate here too. I guess it seems that what ever the injury is. It didn't require a major surgery. If they say he will miss a significant part of training camp then it must be some time of arthroscopic surgery. Which is really not a big deal. What is going to be the big question is how does this guy recover? Is he a fast healer or is he one of those people that take longer. IF the surgery successfully fixed the problem in his foot the injury from the surgery itself will only take a couple of weeks to heal add in the rest of the recover time for his original foot injury and he SHOULD be ready to go in about a month. IMO, he will not be mentally or physically ready to start come the beginning of the regular season. However, I didn't think he would start at first anyway. I'd be willing to SPECULATE that he doesn't start for a while but he will begin to get some on the field action, a little at a time, in the first couple of games. I also believe that this shouldn't be a ongoing issue and his long term play shouldn't be affected by this. I'll predict he won't start for the first month or so in the regular season. But, he will play in obvious pass rush situations. His playing time will increase game to game until he is up to speed and playing at a level where Jim Schwartz feels comfortable starting him. I see this as a definite set back, but not for long.

 

[Ilov80s]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Schwartz has always operated that a player earns their spot when they earn it. Fairley is 4th on the depth chart and can't do anything in camp to improve on that.

 

[Funkley]

A rookie who had no ota's, minicamp or training camp.....he'll likely be placed on the PUP list in hopes of being ready mid season. This is like a baseball player with a wrist injury....4 weeks is just healing. Takes another 4 to be useful. He could be a beast during the playoff push though.

 

[hutchins929]

A rookie who had no ota's, minicamp or training camp.....he'll likely be placed on the PUP list in hopes of being ready mid season. This is like a baseball player with a wrist injury....4 weeks is just healing. Takes another 4 to be useful. He could be a beast during the playoff push though.

Definitely a good possibility.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

A rookie who had no ota's, minicamp or training camp.....he'll likely be placed on the PUP list in hopes of being ready mid season. This is like a baseball player with a wrist injury....4 weeks is just healing. Takes another 4 to be useful. He could be a beast during the playoff push though.

Definitely a good possibility.

He is not eligible for the PUP since he has practiced already.

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of people overestimating the impact. The coaches weren't too concern about him missing training camp too long ago, they said the playbook for the defensive line is about a half page and consists of telling them to kick ###. Not much reason not to expect Fairley in the lineup by week two.

 

[Ilov80s]

Lots of people overestimating the impact. The coaches weren't too concern about him missing training camp too long ago, they said the playbook for the defensive line is about a half page and consists of telling them to kick ###. Not much reason not to expect Fairley in the lineup by week two.

It isn't the assignments on the plays- not too complicated, but it is the execution. Suh struggled early last camp, but the biggest thing the coaches praised him on was how quickly he learned and was able to improve his techniques. The plays might be simple, but executing them better than Suh, Corey Williams, and Sammie Lee Hill isn't so simple. That being said, i think we ultimately agree that his role on the team will be rather specific.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Lots of people overestimating the impact. The coaches weren't too concern about him missing training camp too long ago, they said the playbook for the defensive line is about a half page and consists of telling them to kick ###. Not much reason not to expect Fairley in the lineup by week two.

One can be glass half full or one can be ignorant...

 

[Ilov80s]

Lots of people overestimating the impact. The coaches weren't too concern about him missing training camp too long ago, they said the playbook for the defensive line is about a half page and consists of telling them to kick ###. Not much reason not to expect Fairley in the lineup by week two.

One can be glass half full or one can be ignorant...

Are you sure that is what you meant to say?

 

[jon_mx]

Lots of people overestimating the impact. The coaches weren't too concern about him missing training camp too long ago, they said the playbook for the defensive line is about a half page and consists of telling them to kick ###. Not much reason not to expect Fairley in the lineup by week two.

One can be glass half full or one can be ignorant...

Are you sure that is what you meant to say?

I was not gonna disagee.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Everyone is over thinking this.

He has played football a long time.

He has been training all offseason, I'm sure.

He will still be in meeting to learn plays.

He's a DLineman.

He will be healthy when he returns.

So what is the problem?

So what if he is not out there high steppin and pushing tacklin dummies, is he new to this? No

He will be just fine, and will do just fine.

 

[Funkley]

Everyone is over thinking this.He has played football a long time.He has been training all offseason, I'm sure.He will still be in meeting to learn plays.He's a DLineman.He will be healthy when he returns.So what is the problem?So what if he is not out there high steppin and pushing tacklin dummies, is he new to this? NoHe will be just fine, and will do just fine.

loflThere you have it. Being a rookie in the nfl is easy.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Everyone is over thinking this.He has played football a long time.He has been training all offseason, I'm sure.He will still be in meeting to learn plays.He's a DLineman.He will be healthy when he returns.So what is the problem?So what if he is not out there high steppin and pushing tacklin dummies, is he new to this? NoHe will be just fine, and will do just fine.

loflThere you have it. Being a rookie in the nfl is easy.

For a DLineman, yes its different.Stop with the TABOO "he is a rookie so he cant perform" crap. Tell that to Chris Johnson, ADP, Suh, and others who has success as a rookie.Practice is a joke almost without contact or anything of substance anymore...all it is, is conditioning. I'm just being real, but whatever.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Link

ALLEN PARK — A day after the Lions announced first-round draft pick Nick Fairley had surgery on his left foot, which he injured at Monday's practice, Schwartz was in a glass-half-full type of mood while assessing the situation.

"I look at this way," he explained. "(Fairley) missed all of the OTAs and all of the offseason work and things like that - now he has a chance to make all that stuff back up. He can get all the classroom work; he can get a good base; he can lift. He can do all those things.

Schwartz doesn't put a timeframe on when injured players will return to the practice field, and it's no different with Fairley, whose original X-ray came back negative.

"He broke a bone in his foot and he'll be back as soon as it's healed up."

Nothing earth shattering here, but the noteworthy part is Schwartz stating that Fairley broke a bone in his foot (see bolded).

 

[Sinrman]

That is just horrible luck. Fairley was already behind because of the lockout. Now this? Ugh. Can we buy a break?! I don't see him

doing much in the early portion of the season. The kid is young, so why rush things back? It might do him some good to sit things out for awhile

and see how things roll as he's healing up...

 

[King of the Jungle]

No doubt this is a setback, however it is the one position that they can afford this to happen to. They have great depth with Williams and Hill so long as everyone else is healthy on the dline they should still be a force.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I look at it as a positive, now we'll be able to look at the Lions D without him this year and then with him to see if he really makes an impact.

As long as we don't read Matthew Stafford is out, the Lions will be fine to start the season. Let it heal the right way, if the guy is the real deal he'll be a force for the Lions the 2nd half of the season.

 

[hutchins929]

I look at it as a positive, now we'll be able to look at the Lions D without him this year and then with him to see if he really makes an impact.As long as we don't read Matthew Stafford is out, the Lions will be fine to start the season. Let it heal the right way, if the guy is the real deal he'll be a force for the Lions the 2nd half of the season.

I don't think it will take 8 regular season games for him to get back. Maybe a few. I think he will play in the month of September. They just need to ease him in there a play at a time for a while but I think after three or four games he should be up to speed and ready to start. Not that he will because he will have to earn that. They wont just give it to him. Especially with the depth at the position. I do think though that he can have a great impact on the team without starting. I do agree though the Lions do not need to rush this thing. Let it heal correctly and completely before you put him out there. But I'm not concerned that Jim Schwartz will do that.

 

[hutchins929]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

Yes surgery and a foot is never good. The good news is the Lions have decent depth upfront without him.I personally wanted Prince A.

Still think they should have picked Prince A?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

Yes surgery and a foot is never good. The good news is the Lions have decent depth upfront without him.I personally wanted Prince A.

Still think they should have picked Prince A?

They both broke their foot.But to me CB was a bigger area of need than DT.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Fairleys foot, Backus body, LeShoures leg, Bests toe, Staffords shoulder, Can we not stop the injury bug. The curse is the Lions cant stay healthy.

Watch out Suh and Calvin....gees.

ETA: Oh and Wright carted off the other day as well, can Delmas stay on the field this year I hope? Did I miss any names of the often injured Lions?

 

[hutchins929]

Looks like Fairly will be back in time for the start of the regular season. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this has on him.

I would guess a huge impact early (he will struggle to earn snaps this year) but will have no long-term impact.

If he is healthy, why would he struggle to earn snaps? I understand he will be behind on learning the scheme but based on pure physical ability alone I don't see how Det can not get him on the field even if it is as part of a rotation.

Yeah, it will get rotated in. This will hurt his endurance. Fairley will be used in most pass rushing situations. That is where he will excel and what he is made for. He is not the force that Suh is on the line. He is quicker and more athletic.

lol...good luck on getting anything from him this year. Any way you cut it, foot injuries are not good. The fact they are not even letting on what it is and he had to have surgury is not a good sign.

Yes surgery and a foot is never good. The good news is the Lions have decent depth upfront without him.I personally wanted Prince A.

Still think they should have picked Prince A?

They both broke their foot.But to me CB was a bigger area of need than DT.

Prince A's seems to be more serious and he will be out longer from what I heard.But my point was more along the lines of, you can't help what happens. If everyone knew the future it would be great but nobody can be certain about injuries. It can happen to the most durable guy.

 

[Apple Juice]

Unreal. Lions just can't keep anybody healthy. Good or bad players.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

on the bright side, the hit was by Avril, so i guess he signed his tender

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Cliff Avril never has made any secret about his desire to sign a long-term deal with the Lions. The front office has been just as clear about what Avril needs to do to earn one.

"(They) said we'll just see how I play, I guess," Avril said. "That's the nature of the beast. If you're not producing, they're probably not going to offer anything. If you are, you'll probably get something. So that's how I'm taking it. I'm going to go out and have fun and have an even better year than I had last year."

Avril signed a one-year restricted free-agent tender Thursday (for around $2.7 million), becoming the last significant piece of the improved defense to come to camp.

The fourth-year defensive end is coming off a career-best 8 1/2-sack season despite missing three games with injuries. He said he was hoping for a long-term offer -- from the Lions or another team -- but wanted to sign Thursday in time for the first full-squad practice of the summer.

"It's all a part of the process," Avril said. "I knew I couldn't practice till Thursday, so just me and my agent thought it would be good to see if anybody would try to grab me, and I'm glad they didn't, kind of, and I'm here."

Avril, 25, could be the next Lion in line for a large payday if he continues his upward trend as a pass rusher.

He has 19 sacks in his first three seasons -- the most by anyone taken in the 2008 draft -- and has seen his sack total increase every year.

Tamba Hali, who's two years older than Avril and had 18 1/2 sacks in his first three seasons, signed a five-year, $60-million deal Wednesday with the Chiefs. Avril and Hali, Kansas City's franchise player after a 14 1/2-sack season, are represented by Brian Mackler.

"Got a great deal," Avril said of Hali. "He definitely did, and it's good to see guys getting money that get after the quarterback. Hopefully I can be one of those guys some day.

"It's definitely a little more inspiration to get more sacks, I guess."

Mackler and the Lions had preliminary discussions on a long-term contract for Avril before the lockout began in March. President Tom Lewand declined to update the status of those talks Thursday, but no new contract is imminent.

"We have a lot of players now who are entering the last year of their deal, and we would like to keep our good players around," Lewand said. "I think we've had that track record in the past, and we certainly have the intentions going forward that the young nucleus that we have in place is one that we'd like to keep together. There obviously are always a lot of moving parts as you discuss keeping that nucleus together, but we'll keep an open dialogue with all of the guys who are entering the last year of their contract, including Cliff."

Avril said he'll let his agent handle negotiations during the season, and he doesn't expect contract talks or his uncertain future to be a distraction.

"I definitely would love to build and be a part of changing the culture around here," he said. "I was on the 0-16 team, and I definitely want to be on the championship team."

Contact Dave Birkett: 313-222-8831 or dbirkett@freepress.com . Follow him on Twitter @freeplions.