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The Frankman
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Weird to see a double benching... Abdullah due to fumbles and Jones due to missing too many pass blocking assignments/Montgomery being better at it.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Really need to throw a flag on the last play of a 30-10 game
sho nuff
Footballguy
Was Jones benched for that? There was talk about one miss...where he actually blocked the guy and then His medley was “sacked” from behind by the guy after he stepped up and started to run.
Football Jones
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I'd like to see Jamaal Williams get more touches.
He played tight earlier in the season, but he's a good all-around prospect.
He played tight earlier in the season, but he's a good all-around prospect.
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coyote5
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The Frankman
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BobbyLayne
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The last time the Lions went an entire game without punting was November 1971.
Am very comfortable with them going 5-3 here to be conservative. 9 wins might get them into playoffs. Vikings will be tough to catch for the div.
I stand by that. Stafford has no running game support and a crappy offensive line. He has a good receiving core, but nothing great. A defense which is unable to pressure the quarterback. And yet he has made this a playoff team. Outside of Brady and Brees who are 40 and pushing 39 and Watson and Rogers who are probably out for the season, no one I would take. Wentz is the best candidate, but he has a far superior team around him and his body of work as being elite is a half of a season. People who don't watch the Lions don't realize the level that Stafford is playing. There is not a healthy quarterback who is not pushing 40 who could win with this team.
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matuski
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Sabertooth
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jurrassic
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I respectfully disagree. He doesn't have a single playoff win in his career. Not sure how that is the guy you would take over anyone else. I appreciate your loyalty but Stafford is a mid-to-above average NFL starter. Once you start making caveats that you won't take anyone old (Brees, Brady, Rivers, Ben, etc.) or anyone hurt (Rodgers, Watson, Luck), or anyone young (Wentz, Prescott, Goff) sure then he is in the discussion. That said, I think you would get the argument most people would take Wilson and Carr over him and possibly even Cam and Ryan (both MVP's who took their teams to a Super Bowl)
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The Lions are a 2-4 win team with an average QB. Not having a playoff win is not his fault. He wore a Superman cape last season for that team to be in the playoffs.
jurrassic
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I appreciate your point of view. I actually think Stafford has disappointed, if you look at his pedigree and expectations coming out of college. I agree with you on the supporting cast to a certain extent, but that is what happens when Stafford is the highest paid player in the league. There is not enough money to spend on other players. Look at the Packers last night. That is the same team Rodgers had at 4-1. You could argue the Packers have coaching and talent issues, and all Rodgers has done is win 2 MVP's, the Super Bowl and lead his team to 9 straight playoff appearances. I think 90% of GM's in the league would take Wilson over Stafford, maybe 100%
coyote5
Footballguy
What didn't you understand about me laughing about not wanting any other quarterback in the league more than Stafford? Seemed fairly obvious to me...
matuski
Footballguy
You haven't explained yourself. Kind of hard to figure out who you prefer out there.
Not many young veteran QBs on top of their game out there.
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Snotbubbles
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Mr.Pack
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Mr.Pack
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Mr.Pack
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Mr.Pack
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Yea well Gruden didn't see anything wrong with the Daniels headbutt either. I think he was drunk last night
Mr.Pack
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Yep, this game was totally on Hundley. You parrot what all the Milwaukee Radio clowns are saying today..... Hundley Hundley Hundley........
He's not the best, not close, but he didn't cost them the game.
Just a stupid stupid thing to say, that Hundley cost them the game. The Defense cost them this game. Gave up 30 and should have been more, plus they didn't force the Lions to punt once. NOT ONCE.
Give me a break.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Yes, clearly I'm saying that Calvin Johnson was mediocre.
Unfortunately, Calvin wasn't able to be a GM, a head coach, the O line, the coordinator the 2nd and 3rd receiver options, a strong hammer of a running back etc etc at the same time as being an unbelievably good WR.
Cowboysfan8
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Agreed. That said it appears Hundley is...not goodMr.Pack said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Nah, he didn't cost them. He wasn't good enough to keep them in it either.Mr.Pack said:
tricky1066
Footballguy
....and I respectively respectively disagree. IMO Stafford is this generation of Brady, Brees, Rogers and perhaps (we will see) better. He came in with a record breaking 0-16..., average surrounding cast of players and horrific management (coaching included). The only reason this team is in a conversation of "good" is because of Stafford. I'll take Stafford at this age, at this maturity going forward over ANY other QB. FULL STOP.
TartanLion
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Osweiler has a career playoff win because he faced a Carr-less Raiders last season. That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. A playoff win served on a platter.
I think it's a silly stat to put on Stafford that he doesn't have one. Playoff wins will come for him. He's not had the luxury of something like the above example
Young with a relatively weak support cast around him on road to Brees/Saints in super dome
Absolutely robbed blind on the road to the Cowboys in a game where he played extremely well
Playing with injury on the road to the Seahawks. Lions had pretty much run out of steam by that point.
When you play in the same division as the QB talent of a generation who generally has a well run team around him, then some of these stats that Stafford doesn't have become very understandable, especially being with a general #### show of a ball club.
The Lions have only recently got their house in order with Quinn, more stable coaching etc. Next five years are hopefully the years for Stafford to take it to the next level and don something.
Wentz, I love, but honestly he's ended up at a great situation with his club and it has allowed him to start his career off extremely well. Who knows how he would have coped or turned out to his point if he'd ended up at the Browns, Jets or who ever.
I think QB performances are influenced by the people around them more than people realise sometimes.
Id actually love to have seen how far Stafford would have gone up to this point in his career if he'd been at a team like say The Chiefs, Pats, Cardinals, Broncos, where coaching and defence, drafting etc has been generally been more strong.
Either way he has most definitely taken some big strides in the past 2 years in terms of maturation and ability to perform consistently
I think it's a silly stat to put on Stafford that he doesn't have one. Playoff wins will come for him. He's not had the luxury of something like the above example
Young with a relatively weak support cast around him on road to Brees/Saints in super dome
Absolutely robbed blind on the road to the Cowboys in a game where he played extremely well
Playing with injury on the road to the Seahawks. Lions had pretty much run out of steam by that point.
When you play in the same division as the QB talent of a generation who generally has a well run team around him, then some of these stats that Stafford doesn't have become very understandable, especially being with a general #### show of a ball club.
The Lions have only recently got their house in order with Quinn, more stable coaching etc. Next five years are hopefully the years for Stafford to take it to the next level and don something.
Wentz, I love, but honestly he's ended up at a great situation with his club and it has allowed him to start his career off extremely well. Who knows how he would have coped or turned out to his point if he'd ended up at the Browns, Jets or who ever.
I think QB performances are influenced by the people around them more than people realise sometimes.
Id actually love to have seen how far Stafford would have gone up to this point in his career if he'd been at a team like say The Chiefs, Pats, Cardinals, Broncos, where coaching and defence, drafting etc has been generally been more strong.
Either way he has most definitely taken some big strides in the past 2 years in terms of maturation and ability to perform consistently
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playin4beer
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He's got #skills...
At 29 years old, he becomes just the fourth quarterback in NFL history to throw for 200 TDs before his 30th birthday. Dan Marino (245 touchdowns), Peyton Manning (244) and Brett Favre (218) are the others.
In terms of games played, Stafford is the sixth fastest QB in history to reach 200 touchdown passes. Marino did it the quickest (89 games), followed by Aaron Rodgers (99), Manning (106), Favre (107) and Tom Brady (116 games).
Stafford, who is playing in his 117th game, has set all sorts of records in his nine years with the Lions. He already owns every notable team passing mark, plus was the fastest QB in NFL history to 30,000 passing yards.
At 29 years old, he becomes just the fourth quarterback in NFL history to throw for 200 TDs before his 30th birthday. Dan Marino (245 touchdowns), Peyton Manning (244) and Brett Favre (218) are the others.
In terms of games played, Stafford is the sixth fastest QB in history to reach 200 touchdown passes. Marino did it the quickest (89 games), followed by Aaron Rodgers (99), Manning (106), Favre (107) and Tom Brady (116 games).
Stafford, who is playing in his 117th game, has set all sorts of records in his nine years with the Lions. He already owns every notable team passing mark, plus was the fastest QB in NFL history to 30,000 passing yards.
The Kerminator
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Packers brought in Hoyer? News to me. Gotta link?
The front office kicked the tires on him but that's it. McCarthy didn't even know about it. I would expect any front office who just lost their starting QB to kick the tires on an available former starting QB.
GrantK
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http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/01/report-packers-tried-to-sign-free-agent-qb-brian-hoyer/
Agree about kicking the tires on any available QB, who's out there better than Hundley? Tough call... Hundley might just need a little more time...
The Kerminator
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And the follow up story downplayed it and said they might not have been as interested in Hoyer as 1st reported. This loss wasn't on Hundley. He's not the greatest but he was adequate enough to win with a competent game plan or defense.
Mr.Pack
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I don't agree with this.
When your Def doesn't force a punt and gives up 30, it would have taken a herculean effort that only Rodgers could possibly pull off.
Sabertooth
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
10 Quarters into starting, and he's being labeled a bust. Only by clowns that don't know football.
Sure he may end up being a bust but only 10 qrtrs in and no training camps as the starter and you and others are labeling him a bust already...... hilarious.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Extremely good post. People have to look beyond W/L records/splits and look at the individual talents & the situations they find themselves in.
Anyone really believe Tom Brady would be "Tom Brady" if he was drafted by Cleveland?
It's pretty much the same reason certain college players move up or down FF draft boards based on what team controls their destiny through the NFL draft.
Sabertooth
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Mr.Pack said:
He is three years into his career, and looks like he’s a rookie.
You still giving Randall time to develop too? Lol.
You’re just a mouth. Always were. Yap yap yap.
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I'm a Lions fan and like Stafford a lot. That being said, if you are going to rule out players for being old, that suggests you are looking at this from a dynasty perspective. Stafford has improved a lot these past few years, but I don't see how you could choose him to start your team with today over Wentz. Even setting aside the longevity aspect of the equation, Wentz this year is playing at another level, making everybody around him better, including late round rookie receivers and undrafted running backs and tight ends. I suppose you are arguing that you can't trust the sample size, but if you watch what Wentz is doing, it is utterly sustainable and, even during the nine games this year, you can see him getting markedly better. Beginning with the game against Arizona, Wentz is taken his game up to the top of the league. I think it is an easy call that you take Wentz.
Mr.Pack
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Sabertooth
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