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Detroit at New Orleans (1 Viewer)

Lions, your team is better than our today. In a few weeks, when the kids gets some more experience ... maybe not. But today, you are. Regardless of scoreboard.

Good teams don't lose by less than 21 after being up 35.

 
jon_mx said:
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Can't wait to watch the highlights and the game replay. I heard that on the Saints' first TO in the second quarter, our WR caught the ball and was down for like a three-count (exaggeration) before the strip. Also, that it was not a bang-bang 50-50 play, and that the official screwed up royally calling it a fumble.

But again ... all I have is radio and a Saints fan board to go by.

 
Doug B said:
Lions, your team is better than our today. In a few weeks, when the kids gets some more experience ... maybe not. But today, you are. Regardless of scoreboard.

Good teams don't lose by less than 21 after being up 35.
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Worse O-line (at least until Decker gets back). Worse RB pair. Arguably better WRs, who knows on TE. Banged up D-Line, LBs with growing pains, much better at CB/S when healthy. I think it's close, though Stafford hasn't exactly helped things today.

And then another fluke INT. As fark would say, clown shoes.

 
Mt. Man said:
Worse O-line (at least until Decker gets back). Worse RB pair. Arguably better WRs, who knows on TE. Banged up D-Line, LBs with growing pains, much better at CB/S when healthy. I think it's close, though Stafford hasn't exactly helped things today.

And then another fluke INT. As fark would say, clown shoes.
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Nah ... if they were truly better, Saints win by 28-42 pts.

A lotta flukey stuff in this game.

 
Doug B said:
Can't wait to watch the highlights and the game replay. I heard that on the Saints' first TO in the second quarter, our WR caught the ball and was down for like a three-count (exaggeration) before the strip. Also, that it was not a bang-bang 50-50 play, and that the official screwed up royally calling it a fumble.

But again ... all I have is radio and a Saints fan board to go by.
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It led to no points so it was meaningless.  It was not 3 seconds.  Normally if he had already caught the ball he would have been down, no question   But since you have to complete the process of the catch all the way through the fall to the ground, the catch was not officially complete and the ball was stripped.  I hate the rule, and it produces stupid results.  But that is the rule.  It was not a fumble.  The Saints receiver never officially caught it. It should be ruled an interception.  I don't know why they have such a strange catch rule if you go to the ground. 

 
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2:38? Eh, saints should be able to kneel it out. Game really not as close as it looks given Stafford's 5 turnovers.

Lions missing 3 O-line starters and Tate the 2nd half, but clawed into "respectable loss" instead of "horrible loss". Still loss though, and this team is reeling. They might not lose to the bye, though!

 
jon_mx said:
It led to no points so it was meaningless.  It was not 3 seconds.  Normally if he had already caught the ball he would have been down, no question   But since you have to complete the process of the catch all the way through the fall to the ground, the catch was not officially complete and the ball was stripped.  I hate the rule, and it produces stupid results.  But that is the rule.  It was not a fumble.  The Saints receiver never officially caught it. It should be ruled an interception.  I don't know why they have such a strange catch rule if you go to the ground. 
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Just saw the video of this play on the NFL's YouTube channel. I think Thomas had control of the ball to the ground. The Lions defender having hands on the ball before Thomas's backside touched the turf did not mean Thomas didn't have control to the ground. "Having control" is obviously a gigantic judgment call ... and I think sometimes refs think any ball movement whatsoever means lack of control. That is not so -- in fact, it almost never happens that a ball gets stopped cold and goes stationary on any catch..

Had the on-field ref ruled the other way in real time, the replay couldn't have been conclusively ruled in the Lions' favor, either. It would have been "insufficient evidence" in that direction, too.

 
Doug B said:
Can't wait to watch the highlights and the game replay. I heard that on the Saints' first TO in the second quarter, our WR caught the ball and was down for like a three-count (exaggeration) before the strip. Also, that it was not a bang-bang 50-50 play, and that the official screwed up royally calling it a fumble.

But again ... all I have is radio and a Saints fan board to go by.
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That was correct, it was an absolutely disgraceful call, and it changed the game's momentum.

 
just another in a long history of ridiculous Saints game over the years. I liked how the defense played for the most part. the rookie Lattimore shows he belongs in the NFL. Crawley is another "physical" CB that is only as useful as the refs allow him to be. loved the pressure the front four were able to generate against Stafford. 

running game seems to have settled down with the departure of AP. 

can we just cut fleener? what is the point of signing him if he's going to disappear for most of any game he "plays"? we've gone from being overly reliant on TE's to using them sparingly. you can't pay a guy $6+ million a year with a reputation for being mostly useful in a passing offense to do nothing.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Doug B said:
Lotta ref-blaming over here (I am following online, no video). Maybe that's natural in game like this ... but is it even a little bit legit?
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Yes. 
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One thing the Saintsreport crew was going about was that in the second half, every flag either killed a Saints big play or bailed out Detroit from facing a 4th down.

Also, people were saying that Detroit was continuously blocking in the back on every special teams return and not getting called.

 
Doug B said:
Been happy with Crawley's play for the most part ... but, man, I hope that whiff on Golden Tate's TD isn't indicative of anything.
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He's pretty "grabby" and that led to him getting burned yesterday. he'll get his share of PI's and burned by WR's that he doesn't disrupt their route. he's not a "cover corner" at all. in any game, the refs will determine his utility. personally, i like PJ Williams more than Crawley but i'm in the minority.

 
saintfool said:
can we just cut fleener? what is the point of signing him if he's going to disappear for most of any game he "plays"? we've gone from being overly reliant on TE's to using them sparingly. you can't pay a guy $6+ million a year with a reputation for being mostly useful in a passing offense to do nothing.
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It was pretty noticeable that Hoomanawanui was the go-to TE. I don't even recall seeing Fleener on the field.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It was pretty noticeable that Hoomanawanui was the go-to TE. I don't even recall seeing Fleener on the field.
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Hoo is a capable run blocker while Fleener is not. The gameplan this week was to run the ball and/or have the game go through them. Brees threw for less than 200 yards for the first in a million years. Fleener had 1 target all game. we were grinding the game, protecting Brees, and trying to win it. 

I suspect that Kamara has taken a lot of the targets from the TE position. he doesn't catch the ball behind the LOS really. so if Kamara is that weapon going forward then i would look at replacing Fleener this offseason. he's paid top ten for his position without the production (blocking or receptions) to support it.

 
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