Detroit Mom defends her home with 'Assault Weapon' (1 Viewer)

[DocHolliday]

I am still waiting on Tim to post. He knows stuff. Actually, he knows everything about everything.

 

[Henry Ford]

Thank goodness she wasn't restricted to any of the other guns which don't work for home defense.

I think it is awesome that she was able to defend her home from these pieces of crap but that doesn't mean that I think it is a good idea for home owners to have assault weapons in their houses any more than I would want them to have bazookas, tanks, grenades and bombs. I would bet a rifle or shotgun would have be just as effective in this case.

There is no point in arguing about it since neither one of us is going to change each others mind.

Yea, god forbid someone have a pistol grip on a rifle, or a heat shield, or the ability to attach additional tactical equipment... That is just asking for trouble..

In your mind, what is the difference between an "assault weapon" and a regular hunting rifle?

Anything capable of automatic fire.

If her weapon were automatic fire, she'd be in jail.

I am not a gun expert by any means but I thought an assault weapon implied it was at least semi-automatic and capable of rapid-fire.

Almost everything is semi-automatic these days.

 

[humpback]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

You got a link to the bolded? My guess would be that you are referring to home defense situations where shots are fired or where someone is even shot, ignoring the fact that in most home defense situations no shots are ever fired. Primarily because most criminals are like these guys, in search of an easy target, not a gun fight.

This lady should definitely get a shotgun instead though.

I'm guessing he heard it on talk radio.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Thank goodness she wasn't restricted to any of the other guns which don't work for home defense.

I think it is awesome that she was able to defend her home from these pieces of crap but that doesn't mean that I think it is a good idea for home owners to have assault weapons in their houses any more than I would want them to have bazookas, tanks, grenades and bombs. I would bet a rifle or shotgun would have be just as effective in this case.

There is no point in arguing about it since neither one of us is going to change each others mind.

Yea, god forbid someone have a pistol grip on a rifle, or a heat shield, or the ability to attach additional tactical equipment... That is just asking for trouble..

In your mind, what is the difference between an "assault weapon" and a regular hunting rifle?

Anything capable of automatic fire.

If her weapon were automatic fire, she'd be in jail.

I am not a gun expert by any means but I thought an assault weapon implied it was at least semi-automatic and capable of rapid-fire.

Almost everything is semi-automatic these days.

Dang. I thought it was all ball bearings.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But... But.. They were just kids!

Good for her. I wouldn't bet my life on a Hi-Point, but that's just me being a gun snob.

Joe Biden did say she should have used a double barrel shot gun. Just rip off a few shells in the air when they started making noise.

Joe Biden is a moron...

 

[Hang 10]

[Tim] Sure the gun was only a 9mm but it had the body of a 22.[/Tim]

 

[Apes with Guns]

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

The point is though, as per federal government definitions, that is an assault weapon. Pistol grip, semi auto, heat shield, tactical mounting rail..

Which goes to show how stupid the federal definition is seeing as none of those things impact lethality.... and this actually doesn't even chamber rifle rounds..it shoots pistol ammo.

Reason #5029 intelligent people fight back when ignorant legislators try to make laws about things they don't understand.

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

It is a pistol round by design. The fact that some carbine style rifles are now chambered in this round doesn't change that. The dramatic difference between what is characterized as a "handgun" round vs a "rifle" round can be found by starting to look at the kinetic energy of the round. a 115gr 9mm JHP round carries about 420lbft of energy, compared to a standard .308 hunting round which carries 2600+ ft lb of energy.

For starters.

I would say categorizing something as strictly a pistol round when it is used in military assault rifles the world over is a bit silly.

lol.. where do you get this stuff

Anyone who knows guns knows the 9mm is categorized as a pistol round

i think some may be confusing assault rifle with submachine gun. Many of the submachineguns use 9mm, such as the MP5 and Uzi.

 

[Apes with Guns]

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

What?

From what I understand NATO rifle ammo is OVERWHELMINGLY (possibly exclusively) 7.62 or 5.56. In fact I'm unaware of the 9mm round used in this incident being approved for use in ANY NATO scenarios.

I know you have some military background from (notebook) so could you provide some examples of the 9mm round being deployed in NATO "assault rifle" scenarios "the world over"? Thanks.

Yeah not sure what I was thinking but I was uneqiuvocally wrong, my bad. I haven't really looked into for a while but I remember a few years ago everyone was developing 9mm assault weapons. FN was leading the charge and I could have sworn many of the NATO countries started using their light assault rifles. Add in the Israelis doing some 9 mm development and I guess I though it went further than it did. Again my apologies I try to do better than that and usually do.

if you were talking submachine guns, you were actually spot on. lots of 9mm. but i forgot the significance of this entire thread of the discussion!

 

[The Commish]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

 

[NCCommish]

Since when is 9 mm only pistol ammo?

since it was designed to be fired from a pistol?

And yet is used as in the assault rifles of most of our NATO allies. So maybe it isn't "just"pistol ammo.

What?

From what I understand NATO rifle ammo is OVERWHELMINGLY (possibly exclusively) 7.62 or 5.56. In fact I'm unaware of the 9mm round used in this incident being approved for use in ANY NATO scenarios.

I know you have some military background from (notebook) so could you provide some examples of the 9mm round being deployed in NATO "assault rifle" scenarios "the world over"? Thanks.

Yeah not sure what I was thinking but I was uneqiuvocally wrong, my bad. I haven't really looked into for a while but I remember a few years ago everyone was developing 9mm assault weapons. FN was leading the charge and I could have sworn many of the NATO countries started using their light assault rifles. Add in the Israelis doing some 9 mm development and I guess I though it went further than it did. Again my apologies I try to do better than that and usually do.

if you were talking submachine guns, you were actually spot on. lots of 9mm. but i forgot the significance of this entire thread of the discussion!

Yeah definitely a lot of 9 mm submachine guns out there. But I said assault rifle and I do know the difference so I was wrong.

 

[[icon]]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The original video had ASSAULT RIFLE big on the screen and referenced it repeatedly.

They got called out on the stupid mistake apparently because the link in the OP has updated the video.

 

[The Commish]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The original video had ASSAULT RIFLE big on the screen and referenced it repeatedly.

They got called out on the stupid mistake apparently because the link in the OP has updated the video.

ok...so are we condemning the media for fixing their mistake? This thread seems all over the place. FWIW, I'm glad she was able to defend her family. Situations like this are exactly why we need the ability to own guns.

 

[[icon]]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The original video had ASSAULT RIFLE big on the screen and referenced it repeatedly.

They got called out on the stupid mistake apparently because the link in the OP has updated the video.

ok...so are we condemning the media for fixing their mistake? This thread seems all over the place. FWIW, I'm glad she was able to defend her family. Situations like this are exactly why we need the ability to own guns.

I hope you're being obtuse and not actually missing this... Just let me know if I should update my notebook.

MEDIA: OMG ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!

LEMMINGS IN THREAD: OMG ASSAULT RIFLES!!!

LEMMINGS IN THREAD: Yada yada See Assault rifles are bad Yada Yada

MEDIA: Quietly edits footage posting no redaction of previous claim.

COMMISH: Why all the Assault rifle talk?!

 

[Clifford]

Icon, I think you have to accept that non-gun owners are not going to be as knowledgeable about specific delineation and definitions even though these people still care about gun rights and gun violence. I get that those folks, me included, get it wrong a lot.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

 

[fatness]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

They were from a similar graphic so if the numbers are exaggerated I apologize. They sourced FBI but the link appears to simply to be to the homepage. Regardless I'd wager good money that the odds of being confronted with a home invasion is INFINITELY higher than Tim's claim that it's comparable to "winning the lottery several times in a year"

Thanks for the reply. I know you weren't purposely trying to be deceptive. Some people would but you wouldn't.

When I saw that link repeated endlessly on 1) pro-gun sites and 2) home security sites, and none of them had a link to the study I got suspicious. I could not find any similar report on the FBI site. I think it's safe to say that it's just Internet BS numbers from an Internet BS report that doesn't exist, which people publish widely to advance a view (pro-gun sites) or to make money (home security sites).

 

[The Commish]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The original video had ASSAULT RIFLE big on the screen and referenced it repeatedly.

They got called out on the stupid mistake apparently because the link in the OP has updated the video.

ok...so are we condemning the media for fixing their mistake? This thread seems all over the place. FWIW, I'm glad she was able to defend her family. Situations like this are exactly why we need the ability to own guns.

I hope you're being obtuse and not actually missing this... Just let me know if I should update my notebook.

MEDIA: OMG ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!

LEMMINGS IN THREAD: OMG ASSAULT RIFLES!!!

LEMMINGS IN THREAD: Yada yada See Assault rifles are bad Yada Yada

MEDIA: Quietly edits footage posting no redaction of previous claim.

COMMISH: Why all the Assault rifle talk?!

I watched the video and saw all the mocking of assault rifles. The two didn't correlate. I have gone back through the thread and seen folks take issue with several things:

1. Bias of the initial reports (punks, thugs etc)

2. Somehow the media being a "hype machine" but supposedly they aren't covering this.

3. Folks thinking it was a good that she was able to defend her home.

4. A comment that this still doesn't justify folks owning assault rifles (which is true, given that what she had wasn't an assault rifle). To this point that's the first time it was mentioned in any context.

5. Some random crap about additional tactical equipment

6. Personal definition of what "assault weapon" meant to someone.

7. Random stuff

8. Taking exception with the "logic" that a poor shooter would be helped by a larger mag

9. Then you chime in mocking the definition from #6

10. The rest has been standard bickering amongst the usual suspects since then.

So, I don't see the OMG ASSAULT RIFLES part As I said, this thread is all over the place.

 

[The Commish]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Not talking about break ins here. I'm referring to people entering your house with intent to do you or your loved ones physical harm, so that you are forced to use a firearm to defend yourself.

Do you ask all intruders what their intent is once they break into your house before you decide on how to proceed?

 

[matttyl]

I am not a gun expert by any means but I thought an assault weapon implied it was at least semi-automatic and capable of rapid-fire.

I personally own a semi-automatic Beretta 12 gauge shotgun that I use for skeet and clay shooting. Is that an "assault weapon" by your definition?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

They were from a similar graphic so if the numbers are exaggerated I apologize. They sourced FBI but the link appears to simply to be to the homepage. Regardless

Busted yet again for making stuff up. At least when you plagiarize, you sound believable to the "lemmings."

Good show BuenoLHUCKS.

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Damn....I need to buy more guns! Seriously, though, that's a lot more than I expected.

 

[[icon]]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

They were from a similar graphic so if the numbers are exaggerated I apologize. They sourced FBI but the link appears to simply to be to the homepage. Regardless

Busted yet again for making stuff up. At least when you plagiarize, you sound believable to the "lemmings."

Good show BuenoLHUCKS.

atshead: That's it buddy... you heel like a good dog.

now C'mon little buddy.....let's go back to that wagering thread and see if you'll man up and accept my $1000 wager on one of your many made up accusations

 

[[icon]]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Damn....I need to buy more guns! Seriously, though, that's a lot more than I expected.

FYI these stats are sourced from multiple places claiming FBI as a source, but have since been disproven.

 

[Clifford]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

Kudos to you for being responsible. Question: do you have a system for getting your guns in a quick way if you have a home invasion?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

 

[Clifford]

Saying someone made a fool of themselves does not mean they did (or that you will convince anyone they did).

 

[The Commish]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

"pronouncing the thread title wrong"?? wut?

 

[Widbil83]

Too bad she didn't hit the puke who tried to rush back in a second time.

why do you think it was important that someone get hurt in this situation?

Because the guy makes two attempts to storm into this poor ladies house with her kids inside, the second time holding a gun. I'm more worried why you don't think this guy should have been hurt.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

"pronouncing the thread title wrong"?? wut?

The thread title is where you'll find my "use of the term assault weapon"...

 

[The Commish]

Saying someone made a fool of themselves does not mean they did (or that you will convince anyone they did).

To be fair...in his world a person saying an incident like this is exactly why we have the right to own guns is "anti-gun shtick" so I think this is just a case of "doing the internet wrong". Internet can be tricky. Can't fault him for that.

 

[The Commish]

The thread title is where you'll find my "use of the term assault weapon"...

right

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The thread title is where you'll find my "use of the term assault weapon"...

right

glad I could clear that up for you

 

[avoiding injuries]

Too bad she didn't hit the puke who tried to rush back in a second time.

why do you think it was important that someone get hurt in this situation?

Because the guy makes two attempts to storm into this poor ladies house with her kids inside, the second time holding a gun. I'm more worried why you don't think this guy should have been hurt.

I agree with this. What if the cops didn't find him, whose house would be next? I'm not confident in the correctional system rehabilitating people, but maybe they'll think twice about doing this again after they were met with fire power on the other side of the door.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Do you have a direct link to that report? I've seen those numbers on various sites, called DOJ report numbers or FBI numbers, but I've not turned up a link to the report. I did find a site calling the numbers "bogus information", so if you've got a link I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

They were from a similar graphic so if the numbers are exaggerated I apologize. They sourced FBI but the link appears to simply to be to the homepage. Regardless

Busted yet again for making stuff up. At least when you plagiarize, you sound believable to the "lemmings."

Good show BuenoLHUCKS.

atshead: That's it buddy... you heel like a good dog.

now C'mon little buddy.....let's go back to that wagering thread and see if you'll man up and accept my $1000 wager on one of your many made up accusations

again

I'm just keeping the internet safe from BuenoLHUCKS at this point.

Also there is no way you have $1000.

 

[LinusMarr]

I am still waiting on Tim to post. He knows stuff. Actually, he knows everything about everything.

As my grandfather used to tell me, "You know more then 2 whole families dont ya Linus.."

Icon is like a moth to a flame with a gun thread...lol

 

[[icon]]

Also there is no way you have $1000.

Call my bluff then...

I can make it $500 if you can't swing the full rack, GB.

Didn't think so... All bark...

Arf Arf, anklebiter

 

[Apes with Guns]

i wish there was a wheaton's law smiley. rare form around here today. it's like the Ukraine.

 

[Clifford]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

"pronouncing the thread title wrong"?? wut?

He's scrambling at this point. Just let him hang himself.

 

[timschochet]

Hi guys. Been busy all day with a family crisis. When I get the time I will demonstrate why what I wrote this morning is true, and why Icon's statistics are meaningless.

Until then you'll have to take my word for it.

 

[[icon]]

Hi guys. Been busy all day with a family crisis. When I get the time I will demonstrate why what I wrote this morning is true, and why Icon's statistics are meaningless.

Until then you'll have to take my word for it.

The statistics already shown to be meaningless, however I'm sure that won't stop you from posting 100,000 words about it

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

"pronouncing the thread title wrong"?? wut?

He's scrambling at this point. Just let him hang himself.

When all else fails, and your narrative is failing, just invent something to complain about...

Gun-control guy comes in and the story doesn't match his narrative, so he either:

- Claims journalism is biased because they called punks, "punks", ignoring the video evidence proving the assailants were punks and the narrative of the story was accurate.

- Look for key words (in this case 'assault weapon') used in the thread that they can't find in the media clip, and pretend everyone is off topic and that somehow invalidates the discussion. (just to find out the article had been amended and originally contained said key word)

- Make up some ridiculous statistic about a higher % of accidental deaths to family members via assault weapons than % of home invasions occurrences

- Ignores the federal definition of assault weapon that everyone was referring to, and uses the undefined version he'll later trot out to validate his previous ridiculous claims...

 

[Clifford]

I get the mocking the use of the term "assault rifle" but the only place I see it is in the thread title. The people on the clip didn't say it that I heard, so what gives? Is this just a thread to bash CH for using the term?

The weapon used, was exactly the type of weapon deemed an "assault weapon" by our federal government.. That is the point.. Maybe we could mock you for not knowing your anti-gun schtick.. But by all means continue..

Perhaps you and icon need to regroup, get on the same page and come back a bit more organized. You can mock me all you want. I couldn't care less, but at least mock me in accurate terms.

What does Icon have to do with you stumbling in and pronouncing the thread title wrong and making a fool of yourself?

"pronouncing the thread title wrong"?? wut?

He's scrambling at this point. Just let him hang himself.

When all else fails, and your narrative is failing, just invent something to complain about...

Gun-control guy comes in and the story doesn't match his narrative, so he either:

- Claims journalism is biased because they called punks, "punks", ignoring the video evidence proving the assailants were punks and the narrative of the story was accurate.

- Look for key words (in this case 'assault weapon') used in the thread that they can't find in the media clip, and pretend everyone is off topic. (just to find out the article had been amended)

- Make up some ridiculous statistic about a higher % of accidental deaths to family members via assault weapons than % of home invasions occurances

- Ignores the federal definition of assault weapon that everyone was referring to, and uses the undefined version he'll later trot out to validate his previous ridiculous claims...

I assume you will at the very least copy and paste their quotes so we can expose these infidels

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

Kudos to you for being responsible. Question: do you have a system for getting your guns in a quick way if you have a home invasion?

Guns yes, ammo not so much. I'm not sure an intruder is going to ask if it's loaded if he sees me with the gun. Do we know if the woman in the video had a loaded gun?

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

According to a United States Department of Justice report:• 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.

• 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break­in or home invasion.
• Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
• According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.

Damn....I need to buy more guns! Seriously, though, that's a lot more than I expected.

FYI these stats are sourced from multiple places claiming FBI as a source, but have since been disproven.

Even if the "actual numbers" are only half of that, it's still a very good argument for being allowed to arm yourself to protect yourself and your family.

 

[Clifford]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

Kudos to you for being responsible. Question: do you have a system for getting your guns in a quick way if you have a home invasion?

Guns yes, ammo not so much. I'm not sure an intruder is going to ask if it's loaded if he sees me with the gun. Do we know if the woman in the video had a loaded gun?

Yeah, pretty sure it was loaded.

 

[matttyl]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

In the words of Lloyd Christmas - "So you're telling me there's a chance?".

The odds of anything at all happening to anyone are zero if the gun is handled and stored properly. I own guns personally - yes plural. They are stored properly in one locked location, and my ammunition is stored in a hidden and locked container in a totally different location in my house.

Kudos to you for being responsible. Question: do you have a system for getting your guns in a quick way if you have a home invasion?

Guns yes, ammo not so much. I'm not sure an intruder is going to ask if it's loaded if he sees me with the gun. Do we know if the woman in the video had a loaded gun?

Yeah, pretty sure it was loaded.

Sorry, don't have speakers on my work computer where I watched the video earlier today, rewatched again here at home - it was obviously loaded.

I also didn't realize that this woman's home was broken into 2 weeks ago as well?! Hell yeah I would have had a gun.

 

[Pantherz]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Where in Charlotte are you? I live in a semi-sketchy neighborhood and have for over ten years. A few years ago my car was broken into. That is the extent of crime I have had to deal with here. In fact I have lived in Charlotte for 25 years and that is all the crime I have been victim of.

When I first got married about 30 years ago I lived in a rough area off Sugar Creek Road. The break ins happened in bad areas. Now I live near Cotswold.

 

[Pantherz]

Statistics suggest that the owner of such a weapon is far more likely to kill a family member or friend in a tragic accident than they are to ever have to defend themselves against a home invader. The odds of the latter are akin to winning the lottery several times in the same year.

I can only speak for myself here, but:Home broken into- 5

Won Lottery - 0

Not talking about break ins here. I'm referring to people entering your house with intent to do you or your loved ones physical harm, so that you are forced to use a firearm to defend yourself.

OK then:

Bad intent -2

Lottery-0

The last one was caught around the corner after coming in through the sliding glass door while my wife was home alone. A dog and a 12-guage shotgun convinced him to leave. He had a very long rap sheet including several sexual assaults.