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[Adrian Peterson]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.thoughts?

 

[Cookiemonster]

Anybody COULD be in the market for him. Last I heard, Gruden liked the idea of keeping both Simms and Griese. Not sure what the cap situation in Tampa is or how the owner/GM feel about it.I would have to think another Griese playing for Miami is pretty attracitve, though he did play for the Wolverines.

 

[Godsbrother]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.

Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.

thoughts?

I would be shocked if anyone gave up a #4 for Harrington.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.

Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.

thoughts?

It's a terrible idea..................in fact it's laughable. He's no better than Joey Harrington, give me a break.Another nugget of information is that the Lions could have drafted Griese. When Charlie Batch played for Eastern Michigan University, so do Brien Greise play for U of M. Obviously, Detroit being in the state of Michigan is was of big debate here who or which one to take. The Lions opted with the stronger armed Charlie Batch and passed on Griese.

Now, years later we're going to take him and let go of our No.3 overall pick from just a few years ago because Tampa Bay has found someone who's better than him.

Please, the Lions have so many other problems, let's not add another one.

 

[msommer]

iwannabeacowboybaby is actually a Lion fan?It is obvious that the Garcia experiment was not the solution so he will be cast to the winds. That leaves Joey and Orlovsky.What would be wrong with getting an insurance blanket and a training camp competition?I may be the only one but I believe that Griese is a better qb now than he was in Denver. Drying out and growing up a bit certainly hasn't made him a worse qb.Is he the solution?Is Orlovsky or Cutler or Harrington?Detroit could do worse than give him an incentive laden contract for a few years.

 

[Payne]

If they hire Jackson as OC, he has ties to Kitna.Could make an argument they bring in Kitna too.

 

[Capella]

Gruden may WANT to keep both Simms and Griese -- but they can't. They don't have the cap room, and if they do make room, they still have other needs. I personally think Gruden would prefer to go into next year with Griese at the trigger, but Allen will overrule him and sign the younger, better QB. I expect Griese to end up in Miami or Michigan.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

iwannabeacowboybaby is actually a Lion fan?

It is obvious that the Garcia experiment was not the solution so he will be cast to the winds. That leaves Joey and Orlovsky.

What would be wrong with getting an insurance blanket and a training camp competition?

I may be the only one but I believe that Griese is a better qb now than he was in Denver. Drying out and growing up a bit certainly hasn't made him a worse qb.

Is he the solution?

Is Orlovsky or Cutler or Harrington?

Detroit could do worse than give him an incentive laden contract for a few years.

I live in Detroit and root for the Lions until Thanksgiving and then all hopes are gone.Most people in Detroit have to have what we call " team B"

Definition of a Team B: A Team B is a team that isn't your normal team to root for but that you like and will root for when your team is knocked out of contention.

Well, here in Detroit everyone every year has a Team B. For some it's Indy, other's it's PIttsburgh, maybe Dallas.........but we all have them because that's how it's been since we were born. I'm 34 years old and that's how it is. I was told about a Team B from someone who is now 56......it's life.

If Detroit ever wins a Super Bowl, it will be absolutely wild here.......scary wild. Maybe it's good that we don't win.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If they hire Jackson as OC, he has ties to Kitna.

Could make an argument they bring in Kitna too.

I wouldn't be opposed to Kitna if it was a good deal, not giving up much.Remember, we just brought in Garcia another vet and that didn't work out to well.....so we're a little tender still as far as bringing in guys like that.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Gruden may WANT to keep both Simms and Griese -- but they can't. They don't have the cap room, and if they do make room, they still have other needs.

I personally think Gruden would prefer to go into next year with Griese at the trigger, but Allen will overrule him and sign the younger, better QB.

I expect Griese to end up in Miami or Michigan.

He better not come to Detroit, he's no better than Harrington.

 

[-OZ-]

Most people in Detroit have to have what we call " team B"

Definition of a Team B: A Team B is a team that isn't your normal team to root for but that you like and will root for when your team is knocked out of contention.

Well, here in Detroit everyone every year has a Team B. For some it's Indy, other's it's PIttsburgh, maybe Dallas.........but we all have them because that's how it's been since we were born. I'm 34 years old and that's how it is. I was told about a Team B from someone who is now 56......it's life.

If Detroit ever wins a Super Bowl, it will be absolutely wild here.......scary wild. Maybe it's good that we don't win.

If not the NFL, we always had the Wolverine to cheer for.

It's a terrible idea..................in fact it's laughable. He's no better than Joey Harrington, give me a break.

Another nugget of information is that the Lions could have drafted Griese. When Charlie Batch played for Eastern Michigan University, so do Brien Greise play for U of M. Obviously, Detroit being in the state of Michigan is was of big debate here who or which one to take. The Lions opted with the stronger armed Charlie Batch and passed on Griese.

Now, years later we're going to take him and let go of our No.3 overall pick from just a few years ago because Tampa Bay has found someone who's better than him.

Please, the Lions have so many other problems, let's not add another one.

I could see keeping Orlovsky and Harrington, bring in Griese for a challenge. Garcia failed, maybe Griese wouldn't? A lot will come down to the OC.

If they hire Jackson as OC, he has ties to Kitna.

Could make an argument they bring in Kitna too.

This would be the best route.

 

[wannabee]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.

Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.

thoughts?

I would be shocked if anyone gave up a #4 for Harrington.

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

 

[SproutDaddy]

If they hire Jackson as OC, he has ties to Kitna.

Could make an argument they bring in Kitna too.

Kitna is a much, much better choice than Griese. When given the chance, he has done what was asked of him.

 

[-OZ-]

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

It's entirely possible that I just missed this, and it does make some sense with Trent Green getting up there in years, but despite living in KS, following the Chiefs fairly closely, and being a Lions fan - I haven't heard this from any credible source.

 

[Beaumont]

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

It's entirely possible that I just missed this, and it does make some sense with Trent Green getting up there in years, but despite living in KS, following the Chiefs fairly closely, and being a Lions fan - I haven't heard this from any credible source.

There were a lot of rumors at the beginning of the season on Chiefs Planet and also on these boards ... I think the Detroit Press started them ...

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I would keep Harrington and upgrade the offensive line and defense.........and do this every single year.I'd throw Garcia out, bring in Kitna because Orlovsky isn't ready and you can't just have Harrington and Orlovsky as the backup.The only problem with this and I do believe it's a problem is the fans in Detroit. They've been absolutely brutal to Harrington........he walks onto the field at zero, zero and he's booed. This isn't going to work. If ownership decides he needs to go for those reasons, I'd have to support that because they're not going to win the SB next year. They are "REBUILDING" yet again so there will be more bumps and bruises again next year, and could be another brutal year for the Detroit QB no matter who it is.The only sign of hope I can think of is that the fans once Harrington was benched, when Garcia was the starter and he showed just how ineffective he was and that the problems that Detroit has stems farther than just the QB they actually were chanting for Joey to get in the game.And, if you think back to the last game of the season........Detroit went into Pittsburgh,...........a must win game for PIttsburgh to make the playoffs and Joey Harrington may have played his best game. He was sharp and he played well. He had 3 Td passes vs. Pittsburgh and Detroit played solid that game. If not for a couple special team plays by Pittsburgh, they might not have even been in the playoffs.I have a hard time just throwing Joey away right now when there isn't anyone really to replace him.Bring in Brian Griese for him.......come on, we all know that isn't going to solve anything.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

It's entirely possible that I just missed this, and it does make some sense with Trent Green getting up there in years, but despite living in KS, following the Chiefs fairly closely, and being a Lions fan - I haven't heard this from any credible source.

There were a lot of rumors at the beginning of the season on Chiefs Planet and also on these boards ... I think the Detroit Press started them ...

Yes there was......until Garcia went down for what we thought was for the year.......and then there was no way Detroit was going to trade Joey.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

It's entirely possible that I just missed this, and it does make some sense with Trent Green getting up there in years, but despite living in KS, following the Chiefs fairly closely, and being a Lions fan - I haven't heard this from any credible source.

It lasted for about a week, just prior to Garcia getting injured.

 

[Da Guru]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

I should have thought of that!

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Detroit has to figure out 3 basic things, sit in a room and figure this out and they'll start winning, ready:1. You have to defend against the run, you can't let teams run on you.2. You have to put pressure on the QB while stopping the run. You need to do this thru scheme and personnel.3. You have to be able to run the ball when the other team wants to stop you.You do those 3 things, and you will win football games. Its seems simple......but it's difficult to do those things. The Lions have confused themselves into thinking they need flash to win but they have crashed and burned.Do these basic rules, something I think PIttsburgh stives to do every year and you will find yourselves winning ball games.Currently Detroit does none of these well. They're not horrible vs. the run, but they're not good at it.

 

[Bri]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.

Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.

thoughts?

I would be shocked if anyone gave up a #4 for Harrington.

4th not equal to #4 around here #4=1.04 just to avoid future confusion

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The oringial poster forgot to mention that the radio personality is a huge michigan homer by the name of Doug Karsh. And has said this like every off season, EVER.Not gonna happen

 

[Payne]

About the Joey to KC thing, that was because Al Saunders LOVED Joey.Since Saunders is no longer in KC, a trade there seems unlikely.

 

[msommer]

Bring in Brian Griese for him.......come on, we all know that isn't going to solve anything.

I don't think the speculation is Griese for Harrington - why would Gruden want his baggage, certainly when Simms was looking decent - doesn't make sense to me.If Joey is not going to work with the fans - then a trade is a good idea. But then you need to bring in a veteran to teach something to Orlovsky or the next qb pick.

Is that guy Griese?

I can't say what influence Griese has had over Simms these last couple of years. It is not as if the FA pool is rife with talented starters being cut from their existing teams though.

I don't see Kitna as a solution. Kitna will bring you another year.

Maybe Griese will too.

PS - cowboy, sorry if you felt that I questioned your integrity, that was not intended although in hindsight I can see it could be read that way

 

[D-BO]

Detroit has to figure out 3 basic things, sit in a room and figure this out and they'll start winning, ready:

1. You have to defend against the run, you can't let teams run on you.

2. You have to put pressure on the QB while stopping the run. You need to do this thru scheme and personnel.

3. You have to be able to run the ball when the other team wants to stop you.

Like you said, not bad at #1. They need help at #2 & aside from our shortcomings on the o-line KJ has to stay healthy to be successful at #3.

 

[msommer]

About the Joey to KC thing, that was because Al Saunders LOVED Joey.

Since Saunders is no longer in KC, a trade there seems unlikely.

Joey to the 'Skins?Where do we start the rumour...

 

[Fumbleweed]

Anybody COULD be in the market for him. Last I heard, Gruden liked the idea of keeping both Simms and Griese. Not sure what the cap situation in Tampa is or how the owner/GM feel about it.

I would have to think another Griese playing for Miami is pretty attracitve, though he did play for the Wolverines.

"Another Griese" has already played for Miami....he went there a couple of years ago and it didn't work out........

 

[cosmonaut]

Detroit 1270am reported yesterday with Marinelli's ties to Tampa Bay - the Lions could be in the market for Brian Griese.

Dan Pompei also stated on Cold Pizza (ESPN) that several teams have made contact about a trade for Harrington - guesses are a 4th rounder by the show.

thoughts?

It's a terrible idea..................in fact it's laughable. He's no better than Joey Harrington, give me a break.Another nugget of information is that the Lions could have drafted Griese. When Charlie Batch played for Eastern Michigan University, so do Brien Greise play for U of M. Obviously, Detroit being in the state of Michigan is was of big debate here who or which one to take. The Lions opted with the stronger armed Charlie Batch and passed on Griese.

Now, years later we're going to take him and let go of our No.3 overall pick from just a few years ago because Tampa Bay has found someone who's better than him.

Please, the Lions have so many other problems, let's not add another one.

Dead on.Here's the deal though. Griese is who he is as a pro QB because he was drafted by Denver and developed through Kubiak and Shanahan. IF the Lions had drafted him instead of Batch, he wouldn't have ever made a Pro Bowl, etc. People thought Griese was a reach in Round 3.

Joey H has suffered through multiple years of Lion mis-development. That's the difference. If Joey H had gone through Denver and Gruden would he be ahead of Griese. Probably. But he hasn't.

And right now, I couldn't ever see Joey College coming out in the second half on MNF with a separated throwing shoulder and playing through it. That stuff makes a difference. And that's the stuff that Marinelli loves.

p.s. I'm a Wolverine. Respect Griese greatly. Kitna would be better. Either would be a very positive step forward.

 

[cosmonaut]

About the Joey to KC thing, that was because Al Saunders LOVED Joey.

Since Saunders is no longer in KC, a trade there seems unlikely.

Joey to the 'Skins?Where do we start the rumour...

Agreed. Joey could flourish in the right system.

 

[Wreckincrew]

I hope this will not affect the Lion's plan to draft a WR with their first round pick. BTW, I hear that Millen has already given Rod Marinelli the dreaded "vote of confidence". Rumor has it that he has already started clearing out his office.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Gruden may WANT to keep both Simms and Griese -- but they can't. They don't have the cap room, and if they do make room, they still have other needs.

Exactly. Gruden always wants more QBs but it would be a mistake to keep both unless they consider Griese their starter but have concerns with his recovery. They also traded for Rattay. They dont need 3 veterans. Give Gruden another young guy or two to keep him happy and deal one of the older guys.

 

[-OZ-]

Chiefs have been interested in Joey for a long time and it was rumored that a trade was happening when Garcia was starting .... until Garcia got hurt

It's entirely possible that I just missed this, and it does make some sense with Trent Green getting up there in years, but despite living in KS, following the Chiefs fairly closely, and being a Lions fan - I haven't heard this from any credible source.

It lasted for about a week, just prior to Garcia getting injured.

Ah yes, I remember the rumor, but didn't see anyone I consider credible in the media backing them.

 

[-OZ-]

About the Joey to KC thing, that was because Al Saunders LOVED Joey.

Since Saunders is no longer in KC, a trade there seems unlikely.

Joey to the 'Skins?Where do we start the rumour...

Agreed. Joey could flourish in the right system.

Yeah, cuz there's not enough QBs in Washington already. Harrington for Ramsey or Campbell... not gonna happen, but as a Lions fan, I'd welcome either one, preferably Campbell.

 

[BoltBacker]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

I should have thought of that!

I strongly disagree with both of you.Griese

63 completion %

7 yards/attempt

103 TD

78 INT

84 passing rating

Harrington

54 completion %

5.5 yards/attempt

60 TD

62 INT

68 passing rating

I can buy Harrington has more upside(though I think he'd need a change of scenery to make real strides) but up to this point Griese has been a far superior QB than Harrington in almost every way. Greise would improve the level of play at the QB position in DET next season.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

I should have thought of that!

I strongly disagree with both of you.Griese

63 completion %

7 yards/attempt

103 TD

78 INT

84 passing rating

Harrington

54 completion %

5.5 yards/attempt

60 TD

62 INT

68 passing rating

I can buy Harrington has more upside(though I think he'd need a change of scenery to make real strides) but up to this point Griese has been a far superior QB than Harrington in almost every way. Greise would improve the level of play at the QB position in DET next season.

I don't buy into stats all that much, which always makes for a tough argument with me. I go on what I see and I can say that what I saw especially this year in Detroit no QB in the league would have had success.They're running game absolutely stunk.......which meant defenses continually just pinned their ears back and rushed the QB. Most of the time, the Lions' Qb whether it be Joey or Garcia, they were running for their lives or throwing the ball with guys ready to knock them to the floor.

I believe, that in those same exact circumstances, that Brian Griese would have done no better if not worse.

So yes, you can show me stats from one QB playing on another team and I agree with you, Griese's stats are better but I don't believe playing for the Lions he would have done any better.

That doesn't mean I'm right, but I have seen some games where Griese gets rattled vs. a good defense and he looks poor. Well, every defense seems to be a good defense vs. the Lions since their offense is bad so his stats would definately take a hit.

 

[TheFanatic]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

I should have thought of that!

I strongly disagree with both of you.Griese

63 completion %

7 yards/attempt

103 TD

78 INT

84 passing rating

Harrington

54 completion %

5.5 yards/attempt

60 TD

62 INT

68 passing rating

I can buy Harrington has more upside(though I think he'd need a change of scenery to make real strides) but up to this point Griese has been a far superior QB than Harrington in almost every way. Greise would improve the level of play at the QB position in DET next season.

I believe that Griese had a substance abuse problem that caused his decline and dismissal in Denver. I think he has since gotten his head out of his butt, his bod out of the bottle and has cleaned up his act. He made a lot out of nothing last year with just a rookie WR to throw to....I'm not saying that Griese would take Detroit to the promise land, but I say he would be a significant improvement over Joey.

 

[amnesiac]

If they hire Jackson as OC, he has ties to Kitna.

Could make an argument they bring in Kitna too.

I wouldn't be opposed to Kitna if it was a good deal, not giving up much.Remember, we just brought in Garcia another vet and that didn't work out to well.....so we're a little tender still as far as bringing in guys like that.

garcia was being held together with duct-tape and chewing gum when he got to cleveland though. that signing was a joke.kitna looked good 2 years ago with the bengals, and i don't believe has much of an injury history. course, he didn't look so good in the second half against the steelers.

but i wouldn't compare signing kitna to signing garcia.

 

[azgroover]

Can we please stop with the idea of signing Kitna? If that's the course they're going to take, I'd rather them just stick with Harrington.

 

[Gopher State]

The Lions need to draft a good WR round 1 & take Vick in round 2 :X

 

[hutchins929]

I predict that Harrington will go to a team like the Packers and thrive and kick the Lions butt twice a year for the next 8-10 years

 

[Cunning Linguist]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Harrington does well when he leaves Detroit. Look at Rueben Droughns. They have no idea how to develop a player.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

iwannabeacowboybaby is actually a Lion fan?

It is obvious that the Garcia experiment was not the solution so he will be cast to the winds. That leaves Joey and Orlovsky.

What would be wrong with getting an insurance blanket and a training camp competition?

I may be the only one but I believe that Griese is a better qb now than he was in Denver. Drying out and growing up a bit certainly hasn't made him a worse qb.

Is he the solution?

Is Orlovsky or Cutler or Harrington?

Detroit could do worse than give him an incentive laden contract for a few years.

I live in Detroit and root for the Lions until Thanksgiving and then all hopes are gone.Most people in Detroit have to have what we call " team B"

Definition of a Team B: A Team B is a team that isn't your normal team to root for but that you like and will root for when your team is knocked out of contention.

Well, here in Detroit everyone every year has a Team B. For some it's Indy, other's it's PIttsburgh, maybe Dallas.........but we all have them because that's how it's been since we were born. I'm 34 years old and that's how it is. I was told about a Team B from someone who is now 56......it's life.

If Detroit ever wins a Super Bowl, it will be absolutely wild here.......scary wild. Maybe it's good that we don't win.

Anyone who ever says Detroit is a Hockey town or a Pistons town have never lived there for long. Detroit belongs to the Lions and if they ever win they'll burn down whatever is left in that city.

Hypothetically if all four teams were contenders this is how they would rank to the true Detroit sports fan: Lions, Tigers, Wings, Pistons.

I'm not a Lions fan and never was but I'd be happy for my friends if they ever won. GO TIGERS, WINGS, and PISTONS though!

 

[Righetti]

I was hoping this would be about NASA deciding to remame the moon

 

[Colin Dowling]

Gruden may WANT to keep both Simms and Griese -- but they can't. They don't have the cap room, and if they do make room, they still have other needs.

I personally think Gruden would prefer to go into next year with Griese at the trigger, but Allen will overrule him and sign the younger, better QB.

I expect Griese to end up in Miami or Michigan.

He better not come to Detroit, he's no better than Harrington.

This is perhaps your worst post ever. You should give Griese's numbers, both in terms of production and in terms of Wins/losses before posting something so insane.Colin

 

[MagicMan]

He's no better than Joey Harrington, give me a break.

This has to be a joke

 

[realblue]

Griese would be no better than Harrington!

I should have thought of that!

I strongly disagree with both of you.Griese

63 completion %

7 yards/attempt

103 TD

78 INT

84 passing rating

Harrington

54 completion %

5.5 yards/attempt

60 TD

62 INT

68 passing rating

I can buy Harrington has more upside(though I think he'd need a change of scenery to make real strides) but up to this point Griese has been a far superior QB than Harrington in almost every way. Greise would improve the level of play at the QB position in DET next season.

I strongly disagree with you. I think that a persons stats have a lot to do with the team that they are playing for. Griese has played for FAR better teams than Joey has.That being said - I don't mind getting Griese for a 4th (not sure what his contract is though) and keeping Joey. It would be a lot better than paying through the nose for Kitna or Warner.

I'd rather gamble seeing what Joey can do in a non-west coast offense than on Kitna or Warner.

Chris Simms and Seneca Wallace are RFAs I believe - what would it take to get them? I wouldn't pay too much, but I would inquire. Also, what would it take to pry Schaub or Garrard away via trade?

I think that Joey went something like 4-6 as a starter this year. While 4-6 is nothing to write home about, it isn't THAT bad considering the state of the team he was playing for.

The bigger question is are they keeping CRog? Again, I think they got to. The object in trading is to "buy low, sell high". CRog is defintely "low".

 

[Colin Dowling]

Griese for a 4th is an outright steal.Colin

 

[azgroover]

iwannabeacowboybaby is actually a Lion fan?

It is obvious that the Garcia experiment was not the solution so he will be cast to the winds. That leaves Joey and Orlovsky.

What would be wrong with getting an insurance blanket and a training camp competition?

I may be the only one but I believe that Griese is a better qb now than he was in Denver. Drying out and growing up a bit certainly hasn't made him a worse qb.

Is he the solution?

Is Orlovsky or Cutler or Harrington?

Detroit could do worse than give him an incentive laden contract for a few years.

I live in Detroit and root for the Lions until Thanksgiving and then all hopes are gone.Most people in Detroit have to have what we call " team B"

Definition of a Team B: A Team B is a team that isn't your normal team to root for but that you like and will root for when your team is knocked out of contention.

Well, here in Detroit everyone every year has a Team B. For some it's Indy, other's it's PIttsburgh, maybe Dallas.........but we all have them because that's how it's been since we were born. I'm 34 years old and that's how it is. I was told about a Team B from someone who is now 56......it's life.

If Detroit ever wins a Super Bowl, it will be absolutely wild here.......scary wild. Maybe it's good that we don't win.

Anyone who ever says Detroit is a Hockey town or a Pistons town have never lived there for long. Detroit belongs to the Lions and if they ever win they'll burn down whatever is left in that city.

Hypothetically if all four teams were contenders this is how they would rank to the true Detroit sports fan: Lions, Tigers, Wings, Pistons.

I'm not a Lions fan and never was but I'd be happy for my friends if they ever won. GO TIGERS, WINGS, and PISTONS though!

The Lions and Tigers are always pretty popular. The Pistons and Red Wings are popular when they're good.

 

[BoltBacker]

I strongly disagree with you. I think that a persons stats have a lot to do with the team that they are playing for. Griese has played for FAR better teams than Joey has.

Agree to a point which is why I left out the W/L stats because Griese has been surrounded by more talent(especially on defense) and better coaching.... BUT those stats aren't just a little different. Grieses has played MUCH better than Joey by a large margin. I'm sure Joey would have looked better for DEN and TB but not by that wide a margin. Joey has also had some talented players on offense around him for a couple of seasons now and I haven't seen much improvement.