Strange definition of sucked. He had a WAR of 3.5 last year. Down from the previous two years where he was a top 10 each year in Cy Young voting. He gives you 200 innings, has a decent strikeout to walk ratio. Even in his 'sucked' year he was still top 20 in ERA and top 15 in WHIP in the NL. So he is on the lower-end of the ACE scale or the higher end as a 2nd starter. JV will be similar, given the Tigers a respectable 1-2. Anibal, Norris, Green, Pelfrey. There are many issues, but yet good potential. I have seen mostly the Tigers starters rated about 20th. Probably about right. I think below average is a more accurate characterization than one of the worst. It can go either way though.
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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
SUCKED!
Hi little Peyton!
And yes a 3.66/1.20 in the NL east sucks. That's likely a 4+ ERA in any other division
His K rate has always been mediocre. But he gives you innings!
Yay.
Just another bloaded Detroit contract for a guy who's likely on the downside of his career. Shocker.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
BLOADED!
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
I'll humor your 10+% projected ERA increase due to changing divisions (which is awesome, btw). League average ERA for starters in 2015 was 4.10. Even if you apply that crazy ERA bump he's still league average. SUCKS THO.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
you really do have to try to be this clueless.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I just had a big lunch. I feel BLOADED!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
There is an over/under thread on this forum. Why not post this in there rather than the team thread? I suspect the purpose of your post was to do nothing more than instigate.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
did I say that it was? you're the one who said he SUCKED. now you're changing it to league average?
I said a 3.66 in the NL EAST sucks. Which it does. Over 1/2 his IP were against 2 of the worst lineups in baseball, the Mets who were a train wreck in the 1st half and the Marlins. The Phils/Marlins and Braves were 3 of the 4 worst run scoring teams in baseball. So yea that 3.6+ era. would have been a whole lot worse in the AL.
Reading comprehension little guy. And you can't even ask your bud doc Doolittle for help on that.
Doctor Detroit
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Championships since 1990 - 2015Da Gildz said:
New York teams 9 (NYY - 5; NYG - 3; NYR - 1; NYM, NYJ, NYK, NWI - 0)
So out of 182 seasons, that's a 4.95% success rate. Throw in the 3-4 seasons of Nets basketball, and that number is even worse.
Detroit teams 6 (Red Wings - 4; Pitons - 2; Lions, Tigers - 0)
Out of 104 seasons, that's a 5.77% success rate
Congrats....... I guess?
New Math = New York still sucks.
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
26 seasons X 7 NY teams = 182 total seasons played
9 championships over those 182 seasons is 4.95% of the seasons resulting in a championship.
26 seasons X 4 Detroit teams = 104 seasons played
6 championships over those 104 season is 5.77% of the seasons resulting in a championship
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Bogart
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
dammit. That's 9 championships for NY. Fixing hard math stuff now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Easiest fishing is still betting against any one team. These days you have a 29 out of 30 chance of being right.
Oh the irony. Can't even do simple math dickey boy. And no one gives a crap about hockey. The 2 biggest American sports are baseball and football. Both of which Detroit has sucked more then your simple addition skills and Doc Doolittles social life (check his 3 am daily posts, assuming they're there). So yea that's a whopping 0-52 for those lions and tiggers since 1990. Can we at least request franchise name changes? How about Detroit Futility 1 and 2?
Dickey that is 1+1
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You'll be slobbering all over the Rangers' virtual knob if they lift Lord Stanley this June
Doctor Detroit
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All Gilda replies should go directly into the New York Mets thread. Their last title? 1986, when Gilda was still in prison in his mom's belly.
Ahh yes 1986. Quite some time ago. Hard to imagine you were able to survive back then. You know w/o being able to post gibberish on fantasy football forums at all hrs of the nite. That battle with boredom was a fierce one for doc Doolittle
Sanchez pitching 4 no hit innings is a very good sign. Spring training, but still. Really, IMHO he is the biggest wild card on this team that could take them to contention or sucking again.I will take the over. Depends on Sanchez being healthy and thus much better than last year.
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skillz
Footballguy
No kidding. At least the opening series is against the Marlins so he can sit that one out due to no DH. They just have to take it slow with him and hope for the best.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
They need to build a giant bubble that V-Mart can walk/run in. And fill it with HGH & steroids just in case.
skillz
Footballguy
Right or just give him the PEDs he was probably using in 2014 when he had his career year during what was coincidentally a contract year.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Skillz!!!!!
whoknew
Footballguy
Twitter rumors that the Tigers are looking into bringing in Kyle Lohse. He was terrible last year, but decent the years before. Could be a fine risk.
Pretty worried about the injuries piling up. I mean, that was my biggest fear coming into the season - guys like Victor getting hurt. And now it seems like neither he nor Norris are going to be available on opening day.
Pretty worried about the injuries piling up. I mean, that was my biggest fear coming into the season - guys like Victor getting hurt. And now it seems like neither he nor Norris are going to be available on opening day.
whoknew
Footballguy
I hear you. But of course if he were 32, he probably wouldn't be on the market right now.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Yet they're getting some good pre-season pitching from Greene and a couple others. Hopefully Zimmerman can sharpen up, though.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
After being someone excited by the offseason, I'm sort of meh on this team in the spring. Lowe looks like that next Joba, still don't trust KRod, the back end of the rotation is a massive question mark and they are still a team predicated on offense... Injuries are already killing them and the season hinges on a lot of veterans on the wrong side of 30. Guess that should have been my analysis this offseason too.
skillz
Footballguy
I am not real concerned about Norris missing starts early in the season. He is likely going to be on an innings limit this year anyway. I would rather have him being able to pitch at the end of the year, if need be, if they are in a stretch run. They have decent options to replace him for now. It's not like he is like a top 3 starter we are losing. He is a bottom end rotation guy for now. I suspect we are going to see a ton of starters coming in and out of the rotation this year anyway - Boyd, Farmer, Greene and possibly Fulmer will all get chances.
Unless I am missing something it looks like Tyler Collins will be on the opening day roster with Maybin out.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What was your favorite moment of the Bobby Parnell Era?
Doctor Detroit
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
T minus 5 days. Nothing says opening day like a night game in Miami. 
Here is your chance to buy Miggy's old house as he just bought a new one. For $2 million it is all yours.
http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/detroit-tigers-slugger-miguel-cabrera-selling-2m-michigan-home/
it is a bit funny they fell the need to tell us he paid cash for his new $3.2 million dollar home. What is Miggy gonna do, take out a 30-day mortgage so he can pay it off with his next paycheck?
http://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/detroit-tigers-slugger-miguel-cabrera-selling-2m-michigan-home/
it is a bit funny they fell the need to tell us he paid cash for his new $3.2 million dollar home. What is Miggy gonna do, take out a 30-day mortgage so he can pay it off with his next paycheck?
As far as everyday players, Tiger fans should be very happy with 1b, 2nd, SS, LF, RF, C, and DH. All are top notch players with Allstar potential. CF and 3rd are the only positions which are subpar, and CF is mostly only due to injury which hopefully by late April will not be a concern. This team is highly underrated IMHO. Even assuming the worst for the starting rotation, this team should be above .500. I would take the over all day.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You're assuming health though, which has already shown dicey in March and was a big part of this teams undoing last year. Given all the problems in the pen the starting rotation needed to stay healthy and effective. Obviously they didn't and it's not any better now. Adequate depth is probably still at least a year out. I like this teams chances if it makes it to October and the pen is not a total liability. Getting there though...
whoknew
Footballguy
Assuming reasonable health, the lineup should be good.
Its the pitching that is worrying.
Doctor Detroit
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How would they do well in the playoffs if their bullpen sucks? The teams succeeding in the playoffs the past five years or more have all had elite bullpens, no reason to think the Tigers would do well in October if your prediction of a terrible bullpen is true.MAC_32 said:
It's a different bullpen and I can give you tons of examples how bullpens vary in performance from year to year. Just because they were terrible last year doesn't mean much at all. Lowe, K-Rod, Kensing and J Wilson are all new, Verhagen is a rising franchise arm, and Ryan has shown upside as well. Once Alex Wilson returns this bullpen might actually be pretty strong, and to me the starters are the real question mark. JV and JZimm will probably perform better than fantasy people projected, but the rest of the staff is questionable. Anibal for health, Greene for meltdowns, and Pelfrey because his career WHIP is nearly 1.5.
To me Norris and Greene are critical in making this a playoff team, at least one if not both need to be a #3 starter. This team is gonna hit, and hit a lot. But to take pressure off the pen they'll need to pitch deeper into games and have games where we get 8 innings from these guys. I have zero confidence in Pelfrey, not much more in Greene, and Anibal needs to return to the guy that keeps balls in the park.
