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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)

97mph fastball on the black with movement is encouraging, everything in the 5th was 96 or 97.

Rough inning, McCann getting crossed up on several signs made it worse. Getting Kipnis and Santana with the bases loaded only giving up one run was huge.

 
Solid first start by Verlander. The only concern I have is he only had 5 swing and misses. But all in all it was a good performance.
That is a good point. Verlander outing was saved by three very good defensive plays in the outfield. But there was still enough good to have confidence Verlander will be a big help to a rotation which needs it.

 
Miggy the last month has been swinging the bat like his triple crown season. He hit the ball for average early on, but now balls have been flying out of the park and the RBI's are piling up.

 
Rehab update:

Victor went 1 for 4 with an RBI. He was the leadoff hitter.

Rondon struggled again, only 10 strikes out of 22 pitches...gave up no runs, 1 hit, a walk and a strikeout. He obviously needs to pitch more because he has not had much command yet.

 
Rondon only has 28 major league innings and didn't pitch at all last year. I can see him needing a month of rehab to get his control, but so far reports are the stuff is there. They are definitely gonna need him so if he's in Toledo until the All Star break, so be it.

 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.

 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.
I think a legit setup man is an absolute must (personally I think they need 2).

I think they need to take a long look at a left-handed hitting 3rd baseman to platoon with Castellanos. He has been terrible against RH pitching (about .215 or so). It isn't likely to happen but it's a glaring hole IMO.

They are really thin on the farm so I don't know what to expect but the bullpen is a major need.

 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.
I think a legit setup man is an absolute must (personally I think they need 2).

I think they need to take a long look at a left-handed hitting 3rd baseman to platoon with Castellanos. He has been terrible against RH pitching (about .215 or so). It isn't likely to happen but it's a glaring hole IMO.

They are really thin on the farm so I don't know what to expect but the bullpen is a major need.
So about the same he hits against lefties? Do they make left-handed hitting 3rd basemen? Nick's hitting has been the weak spot in the lineup, but really if that is our weakness it ain't terrible. They need to drop him to the 9th spot though. Iggy would be more productive hitting somewhere else. He is not getting enough AB's and when he does get on, he is not scoring as much as he should. Iggy is an everyday player, but still does not have enough AB's to qualify for the leader board.

 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.
Cant imagine a reliable setup man with our farm, a potential bounce back is probably the best bet. Any bad NL teams with expiring LH bench bats? Don't have the horses for much more than that.
 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.
I think a legit setup man is an absolute must (personally I think they need 2).I think they need to take a long look at a left-handed hitting 3rd baseman to platoon with Castellanos. He has been terrible against RH pitching (about .215 or so). It isn't likely to happen but it's a glaring hole IMO.

They are really thin on the farm so I don't know what to expect but the bullpen is a major need.
So about the same he hits against lefties? Do they make left-handed hitting 3rd basemen? Nick's hitting has been the weak spot in the lineup, but really if that is our weakness it ain't terrible. They need to drop him to the 9th spot though. Iggy would be more productive hitting somewhere else. He is not getting enough AB's and when he does get on, he is not scoring as much as he should. Iggy is an everyday player, but still does not have enough AB's to qualify for the leader board.
Castellanos is hitting .268 against lefties and .212 against righties. I have no idea if there are any LH hitters available that can play 3rd, but if Castellsnos doesn't improve that rally-killing .212, they need to do something. In addition to Victor and to a lesser degree Avila, I think they still need another LH hitter. Since they aren't going to platoon the corner outfield or middle infield, 3rd base is all that's left.

 
What are the Tigers going to do before the trade deadline? Perhaps as reliable setup man? A left-handed bat? Probably not a starter, but not completely out of the cards.
Cant imagine a reliable setup man with our farm, a potential bounce back is probably the best bet. Any bad NL teams with expiring LH bench bats? Don't have the horses for much more than that.
The lack of assets to trade is the big problem but there are always cheaper options such as older players that can still play. For example, Benoit has been solid and the Padres (assuming they are sellers) can't really expect to get a whole lot for him. That's just one example.

 
5 pitches from Hardy ruins an otherwise good day.
Has this guy ever gotten out of an inning without giving up a run?
That was his first horrible performance in nearly two months. He did get off to a bad start of the season, but he had only given up 2 earned runs in his last 21 appearances before that disaster.
Fair enough. Haven't been able to follow as closely this season as in seasons past. Just felt like I'm always seeing the guy get blown up in box scores.
 
Tigers have had a lack of tradable assets since the Maybin/Miller deal, yet they somehow keep trading. Again, scouts have pretty consistently underrated the system and the tradable parts within. They have one top 100 prospect in Hill, but guys like Gerber, Moyà, and Farmer have value.

Tigers were scouting Cueto yesterday...

 
I hope JD is not the trade chip for a starter. With Castellanos not putting it together it would be hard to lose him in my mind.

 
I hope JD is not the trade chip for a starter. With Castellanos not putting it together it would be hard to lose him in my mind.
Why would they trade JD? He's under team control through 2017 and coming into his own now. I can't see that.
It is not even clear yet they need another starter. I feel a lot better about the rotation than I did a week ago. Price and Simon have been good all year and Verlander looks good on his return and Sanchez has has a couple of very good starts. Ryan has showed some potential for a spot starter and maybe Greene will get it figured out again. I could see the trade deadline pass without a serious attempt at adding a starter. A good setup man is our biggest need and I think we can take a hefty contract off someone's hands for a half season without giving up much.
 
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I hope JD is not the trade chip for a starter. With Castellanos not putting it together it would be hard to lose him in my mind.
Why would they trade JD? He's under team control through 2017 and coming into his own now. I can't see that.
It is not even clear yet they need another starter. I feel a lot better about the rotation than I did a week ago. Price and Simon have been good all year and Verlander looks good on his return and Sanchez has has a couple of very good starts. Ryan has showed some potential for a spot starter and maybe Greene will get it figured out again. I could see the trade deadline pass without a serious attempt at adding a starter. A good setup man is our biggest need and I think we can take a hefty contract off someone's hands for a half season without giving up much.
Plus they have Farmer who should be fine with a few opportunities, pretty sure he's in the rotation for sure in 2016.

Set-up guy won't cost a ton, I can see that. It doesn't have to be a well-known name. Ronald Belisario just opted out in Tampa, I'd give him a long look based on what he did in LA two years ago. But all you have to do is find a reliever having a good year on a bad team, or a guy Like Johnathan Broxton who has struggled but has been really good in the past.

 
Plus we still have Lobstein, who I don't think is injured that badly and should return. Between Lobstein, Ryan, Greene and Farmer, the Tigers will be OK for depth at starting pitching. The key obviously is Price, Simon, Verlander, and Sanchez pitching well and staying healthy. This is really only Simon's second chance at being a full time starter. Last year he hit a wall. I think he will be OK, but IMHO it would be wise to limit him to about 90 pitches a game. He not only loses effectiveness but it may cost us late in the season.

 
Plus we still have Lobstein, who I don't think is injured that badly and should return. Between Lobstein, Ryan, Greene and Farmer, the Tigers will be OK for depth at starting pitching. The key obviously is Price, Simon, Verlander, and Sanchez pitching well and staying healthy. This is really only Simon's second chance at being a full time starter. Last year he hit a wall. I think he will be OK, but IMHO it would be wise to limit him to about 90 pitches a game. He not only loses effectiveness but it may cost us late in the season.
True..but this is a contract year so Pasta will dig a little deeper.

 
Plus we still have Lobstein, who I don't think is injured that badly and should return. Between Lobstein, Ryan, Greene and Farmer, the Tigers will be OK for depth at starting pitching. The key obviously is Price, Simon, Verlander, and Sanchez pitching well and staying healthy. This is really only Simon's second chance at being a full time starter. Last year he hit a wall. I think he will be OK, but IMHO it would be wise to limit him to about 90 pitches a game. He not only loses effectiveness but it may cost us late in the season.
True..but this is a contract year so Pasta will dig a little deeper.
Yes, Pasta will come with some extra sauce.

 
MAC_32 said:
Dan Lambskin said:
Lots of optimism about this rotation
Don't get too high during the high's and don't get too low during the low's. Still a lot of questions right now, lets see where things are in a few weeks.
Hopefully, they are about 8-10 games over .500 by All-Star break. The Royals will probably be about 13-15 games over by then.

 
MAC_32 said:
Dan Lambskin said:
Lots of optimism about this rotation
Don't get too high during the high's and don't get too low during the low's. Still a lot of questions right now, lets see where things are in a few weeks.
But that is what makes me love this thread so very much. No one gets super high and super low better than this group.

 
MAC_32 said:
Dan Lambskin said:
Lots of optimism about this rotation
Don't get too high during the high's and don't get too low during the low's. Still a lot of questions right now, lets see where things are in a few weeks.
But that is what makes me love this thread so very much. No one gets super high and super low better than this group.
:lmao: Having Mac tell us every other day about how a marathon runner doesn't have highs and lows is shocking. NO REASON TO GET EXCITED!

 
MAC_32 said:
Dan Lambskin said:
Lots of optimism about this rotation
Don't get too high during the high's and don't get too low during the low's. Still a lot of questions right now, lets see where things are in a few weeks.
But that is what makes me love this thread so very much. No one gets super high and super low better than this group.
:lmao: Having Mac tell us every other day about how a marathon runner doesn't have highs and lows is shocking. NO REASON TO GET EXCITED!
Given what's being discussed, the hyperbole here fits perfectly.

 
MAC_32 said:
Dan Lambskin said:
Lots of optimism about this rotation
Don't get too high during the high's and don't get too low during the low's. Still a lot of questions right now, lets see where things are in a few weeks.
But that is what makes me love this thread so very much. No one gets super high and super low better than this group.
:lmao: Having Mac tell us every other day about how a marathon runner doesn't have highs and lows is shocking. NO REASON TO GET EXCITED!
Given what's being discussed, the hyperbole here fits perfectly.
Optimism isnt hyperbolic in nature.
 

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