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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (1 Viewer)

FOX Sports' Jon Morosi reports that the Tigers remain in "buy" mode.
However, he also notes that a poor performance in their early-week series in Tampa could lead to them putting David Price on the trade market. They could also shop Yoenis Cespedes if they wind up altering their course. The Tigers are four games out of a Wild Card spot at the moment and are expected to get Miguel Cabrera (calf) back in about three weeks.
Source: Jon Morosi on Twitter
Jul 27 - 5:30 PM

 
Can we please be sellers now? The entire team knows this is the last chance and they lose 2 of 3 to the Red Sox and now they are giving up 5 runs to team that hasn't scored more than 4 runs in like 3 weeks

 
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I don't think Dave is a moron, I think he has beer goggles on. He loves the team he put together and they aren't performing, he doesn't want to quit on them, but the writing is on the wall in big letters.

 
Also a few points. First it's really ####### hard to make the playoffs five years in a row unless you are the ####### Cardinals. I wasn't sure they'd make it again this year but I thought they'd at least be in it, not so much. Four straight division championships, three straight ALCS appearances, a World Series, and the most heartbreaking loss of my lifetime when they lost to the Red Sox who they should have easily beat.

They got rid of that fat ### no clutch Fielder, they got JDM off the scrap pile, and they made a deal for David Price out of no where. They traded for Cespedes selling high on Porcello, they still have a great core in Miggy, VMart, JDM, JV, Kinsler, and Iglesias, and they still have a lot of fans at their games.

They need to start acting like a medium market team though, so signing Price probably isn't in the cards. Develop pitchers from within, find an occasional bat in the system, and spend your money on 4 year contracts to hitters.

Mr I is not going to allow DD to implode the team, they need to reload not sell off everything for minor league parts that are years away. So Dombrowski has to make moves at this deadline with 2016 in mind. If they trade Price they have to know he isn't coming back and they have to get one guy they can put in the rotation in '16, and a premier prospect at minimum. Cespedes seems to fit and he seems to like Detroit, and you can't re-sign him if you deal him. Davis, Soria, and Avila can all go but you better get a haul for Price and Cespedes if you let them leave. Now that I think about it, Cespedes is probably better to keep than Price at this point.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Now that I think about it, Cespedes is probably better to keep than Price at this point.
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I've felt that they should trade some hitters, if possible, and keep Price ..the logic being that with some strong pitching, they might sneak along in the playoffs (if they can get there). But they face risks either way. Maybe you're right - deal Price for some very good assets, and hope upon hope that they can somehow get on a roll. But as you noted above, and as I saw in the paper this morning, we're tied with the White Sox. This is not a desirable position.

 
Combine the owner being ancient, the GM being a lame duck, and the manager needing to win now to keep his job.

No matter what should be done, it just does not add up to them being sellers.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Combine the owner being ancient, the GM being a lame duck, and the manager needing to win now to keep his job.

No matter what should be done, it just does not add up to them being sellers.
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If they make you an offer you can`t refuse then sell. Sine the All-Star break of last year this team is 5 games under 500 in a full season. Just can`t see this team as it stands putting together a 5-6 game winning streak..or even a couple of 3 out of 4s. The starters other than Price are a crap shoot and the bullpen..well you have watched the bullpen enough this year to make your own judgment.

 
Just read on rotoworld that the Tigers are after Leake. What are they thinking, this is a move they should have made 3 weeks ago, not now.

 
They have just quit. I think the season was over that night they gave up a five run lead in the 9th. Talent is there, they should at least be playing better than they are, the losing is just the end result. Even when they've won in July it has been difficult, like they were ready to lose but somehow snatched a win somehow.

Now they need to just keep losing (shouldn't be an issue) and get a top 10 pick next year in what should be a pretty good prospect draft.

Also Miggy needs to be 100% when he returns, or just let him save some mileage.

I think Dombrowski is going to step down at the end of the year. He could have recently signed an extension and didn't. 14 years is a long time, if he stays I can see him hiring a GM to run the team while he stays as president/CEO.

 
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I can understand if they aren't getting a boatload for Price to just hold on until the compensation pick but Simon, Rajai, Cespedes, Avila and possibly Kinsler need to be on the move. None besides MAYBE Avila are worth tendering. This ship has sunk. They have one winning month on the year. What is magically going to change between now and the end? The bullpen is non existent, the starting pitching is shoddy and inconsistent and no one seems to want to pick up the clubhouse. I hate speculating but I wonder how important a guy like Torii Hunter was to the locker room. It's been a fun run but ultimately JV over Max was a mistake and while the Fister deal was less so they sold a known commodity there and thought they could pencil in a guy to replace him only to sell off a pretty sharp looking Robbie Ray for a pretty disasterous looking Shane Greene. Those trades will probably be talked about for awhile. I was fine with it at the time because DD is one of the best but it didn't work out.

 
Bojang0301 said:
I can understand if they aren't getting a boatload for Price to just hold on until the compensation pick but Simon, Rajai, Cespedes, Avila and possibly Kinsler need to be on the move. None besides MAYBE Avila are worth tendering. This ship has sunk. They have one winning month on the year. What is magically going to change between now and the end? The bullpen is non existent, the starting pitching is shoddy and inconsistent and no one seems to want to pick up the clubhouse. I hate speculating but I wonder how important a guy like Torii Hunter was to the locker room. It's been a fun run but ultimately JV over Max was a mistake and while the Fister deal was less so they sold a known commodity there and thought they could pencil in a guy to replace him only to sell off a pretty sharp looking Robbie Ray for a pretty disasterous looking Shane Greene. Those trades will probably be talked about for awhile. I was fine with it at the time because DD is one of the best but it didn't work out.
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Certainly if Cueto and Kazmir can net packages that are > then comp pick, Price can too.

 
All the locker room stuff is pure :bs:

With Miggy, VMart, and JV they have the types of guys most teams wish they had and Rajai Davis is like a prankster who everyone loves. The problem in the clubhouse is Ausmus doesn't seem to get anything out of these guys, and then his on field mistakes compound the issues. They just aren't very good this year despite the talent and the pitching has just been downright horrific.

Disagree on Kinsler, he's gonna make $25mm the next two years and well worth that price IMO. He's one of the best defensive 2Bman in the league, he's had some power issues this year but still hitting .283 with low K's and a fair amount of walks. I actually think he's been the team's best player sans JDM and Cespedes. Only bad thing I can say about Kinsler is he is a terrible baserunner, at least sometimes when he seems to be off in his own little world.

I think Davis is gone for sure, I'm sure a ton of teams would love to have him as a platoon/pinch runner. Avila may have some trade value, Simon might as well as a bullpen/spot starter type. They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days. Soria also could be dealt, he certainly has value.

 
Ugh. This team is just horrible to follow. Lots of good individual talent, but can't win. Ausmus needs to go sooner rather than later.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days.
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According to what I read, the above is not correct.

Cespedes' contract allows him to be released 5 days after the World Series. His current team at that time has exclusive negotiating rights through those 5 days, but if he doesn't sign by then he is released, becomes a free agent, and cannot sign with his current team until May 15th.

I can't post the link with this stupid phone (or maybe it's stupid me), but go to freep.com and type "cespedes contract" in the search box, then it's in the article about Cespedes wanting to re-sign with the Tigers.

 
jon_mx said:
Ugh. This team is just horrible to follow. Lots of good individual talent, but can't win. Ausmus needs to go sooner rather than later.
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Right now they need to make some sort of statement and since they can`t fire the team they need to fire Ausmus. Dombrowski said last week that he thinks Ausmus is doing a "fine job". So that is probably not going to happen.

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days.
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According to what I read, the above is not correct. Cespedes' contract allows him to be released 5 days after the World Series. His current team at that time has exclusive negotiating rights through those 5 days, but if he doesn't sign by then he is released, becomes a free agent, and cannot sign with his current team until May 15th.

I can't post the link with this stupid phone (or maybe it's stupid me), but go to freep.com and type "cespedes contract" in the search box, then it's in the article about Cespedes wanting to re-sign with the Tigers.
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Right, so if the Tigers trade him they won't be his "current team" and would have to wait until May 15th to sign him. We are saying the same thing.
 
Today's Tigers lineup:

1. Ian Kinsler, 2B

2. Jose Iglesias, SS

3. Yoenis Cespedes, LF

4. Victor Martinez, DH

5. J.D. Martinez, RF

6. Nick Castellanos, 3B

7. Alex Avila, 1B

8. James McCann, C

9. Anthony Gose, CF

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Today's Tigers lineup:

1. Ian Kinsler, 2B

2. Jose Iglesias, SS

3. Yoenis Cespedes, LF

4. Victor Martinez, DH

5. J.D. Martinez, RF

6. Nick Castellanos, 3B

7. Alex Avila, 1B

8. James McCann, C

9. Anthony Gose, CF
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I'm very interested in seeing how Iglesias performs at the #2 slot.

Ausmus should have been let go quite a while ago. The talent was there - he just wasn't getting anything from it. I'm hard-pressed to think of anything positive he has done.

eta: Even the White Sox, now a game in front of Detroit, are talking possible wild card. :loco:

 
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tri-man 47 said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Today's Tigers lineup:

1. Ian Kinsler, 2B

2. Jose Iglesias, SS

3. Yoenis Cespedes, LF

4. Victor Martinez, DH

5. J.D. Martinez, RF

6. Nick Castellanos, 3B

7. Alex Avila, 1B

8. James McCann, C

9. Anthony Gose, CF
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I'm very interested in seeing how Iglesias performs at the #2 slot.

Ausmus should have been let go quite a while ago. The talent was there - he just wasn't getting anything from it. I'm hard-pressed to think of anything positive he has done.

eta: Even the White Sox, now a game in front of Detroit, are talking possible wild card. :loco:
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Yes, he should get fired for that alone.

 
Looks like the Doyers are reneging on Latos. If you want price traded, you want him traded to the Cubs or Doyers. They have deep farms and aren't in the AL.

Yankees would have to give top five prospects for us to trade him there, #### that

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days.
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According to what I read, the above is not correct. Cespedes' contract allows him to be released 5 days after the World Series. His current team at that time has exclusive negotiating rights through those 5 days, but if he doesn't sign by then he is released, becomes a free agent, and cannot sign with his current team until May 15th.

I can't post the link with this stupid phone (or maybe it's stupid me), but go to freep.com and type "cespedes contract" in the search box, then it's in the article about Cespedes wanting to re-sign with the Tigers.
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Right, so if the Tigers trade him they won't be his "current team" and would have to wait until May 15th to sign him. We are saying the same thing.
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No, his current team has until 5 days after the world series to sign him...if they dont they cant sign him until may 15th. All teams other than the current team can sign him after the 5 days.

 
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days.
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According to what I read, the above is not correct. Cespedes' contract allows him to be released 5 days after the World Series. His current team at that time has exclusive negotiating rights through those 5 days, but if he doesn't sign by then he is released, becomes a free agent, and cannot sign with his current team until May 15th.

I can't post the link with this stupid phone (or maybe it's stupid me), but go to freep.com and type "cespedes contract" in the search box, then it's in the article about Cespedes wanting to re-sign with the Tigers.
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Right, so if the Tigers trade him they won't be his "current team" and would have to wait until May 15th to sign him. We are saying the same thing.
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No, his current team has until 5 days after the world series to sign him...if they dont they cant sign him until may 15th. All teams other than the current team can sign him after the 5 days.
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Edit to clarify: If the Tigers do not trade Cespedes and instead keep him, they have exclusive negotiation rights until 5 days after the World Series. If the Tigers dont sign him by that day, they cannot sign him until May 15th. That is why trading him is better.
 
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Anthony Borbely said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
Anthony Borbely said:
Doctor Detroit said:
They get no compensation for Cespedes, but also can't re-sign him if they deal him. So they basically need to figure out what they are gonna do with him in 2016 and beyond in the next three days.
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According to what I read, the above is not correct.Cespedes' contract allows him to be released 5 days after the World Series. His current team at that time has exclusive negotiating rights through those 5 days, but if he doesn't sign by then he is released, becomes a free agent, and cannot sign with his current team until May 15th.

I can't post the link with this stupid phone (or maybe it's stupid me), but go to freep.com and type "cespedes contract" in the search box, then it's in the article about Cespedes wanting to re-sign with the Tigers.
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Right, so if the Tigers trade him they won't be his "current team" and would have to wait until May 15th to sign him. We are saying the same thing.
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No, his current team has until 5 days after the world series to sign him...if they dont they cant sign him until may 15th. All teams other than the current team can sign him after the 5 days.
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Edit to clarify: If the Tigers do not trade Cespedes and instead keep him, they have exclusive negotiation rights until 5 days after the World Series. If the Tigers dont sign him by that day, they cannot sign him until May 15th. That is why trading him is better.
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Ah yes, you are correct sir. So yeah, trade him with impunity.

 
Leroy Hoard said:
tri-man 47 said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Today's Tigers lineup:

1. Ian Kinsler, 2B

2. Jose Iglesias, SS

3. Yoenis Cespedes, LF

4. Victor Martinez, DH

5. J.D. Martinez, RF

6. Nick Castellanos, 3B

7. Alex Avila, 1B

8. James McCann, C

9. Anthony Gose, CF
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I'm very interested in seeing how Iglesias performs at the #2 slot.

Ausmus should have been let go quite a while ago. The talent was there - he just wasn't getting anything from it. I'm hard-pressed to think of anything positive he has done.

eta: Even the White Sox, now a game in front of Detroit, are talking possible wild card. :loco:
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Yes, he should get fired for that alone.
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:happyfinger:

 
I posted all my thoughts on Twitter about the haul. Three left handed starters, one with ace upside, one ready to contribute now, and one middle of the rotation guy who is a ways away.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I posted all my thoughts on Twitter about the haul. Three left handed starters, one with ace upside, one ready to contribute now, and one middle of the rotation guy who is a ways away.
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If that indeed is the haul they got for a rental, that's insane. Toronto is not even a guarantee to make the playoffs.

 
Da Guru said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I posted all my thoughts on Twitter about the haul. Three left handed starters, one with ace upside, one ready to contribute now, and one middle of the rotation guy who is a ways away.
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Not bad for a guy who had 9-10 starts left in a Tiger uniform.
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DD drummed up the bidding war. Not bad on paper. I think we all feel pretty confident given DD's track record but prospects are always hold your breath. I'm interested to see who and what else is brought in.
 
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