Detroit vs. Tennessee - Which is more brilliant? (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm asking which team was more brilliant, because we're all sweetness and light here, and because Matt Millen is after all somebody's daughter.

This is not an easy choice. Detroit has had more spectacular failure as all of those guys are high 1st round picks, but in their defense the consensus was that all of those guys belonged in that part of the draft, which is more than we can say about Tennessee's Henry & Johnson picks.

Choose wisely.

 

[Bri]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

IMO it's about a coach getting the most out of his players and those players respecting the coach and giving him their all as well. While the Titans RBs hold their value what's happenned to those Detroit WRs over the years? Fisher is one of the best and, when it comes down to it, every team knows that and would consider(if even for just a second) taking on one of his players because they'll be well coached players.

 

[BoltBacker]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

 

[Bri]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

 

[FUBAR]

I'd prefer the team that didn't take two complete busts in the top 10.

 

[BoltBacker]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

IMO it's about a coach getting the most out of his players and those players respecting the coach and giving him their all as well. While the Titans RBs hold their value what's happenned to those Detroit WRs over the years? Fisher is one of the best and, when it comes down to it, every team knows that and would consider(if even for just a second) taking on one of his players because they'll be well coached players.

XRB's are lousy trade bait for the same reason that they tend to be ill-advised choices as very high draft picks - with the exception only of the elite RB's, they're virtually fungible goods with any number of RB's being capable getting yards for most teams. Drafting them because "they retain good trade value" seems more like a poor rationalization for bad picks than it does good draft policy.

 

[Bri]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

you said "I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster" when discussing a guy that got 1110 yards in his second year. Sorry but it sure seems like Tomlinson has spoiled you and your expectations are especially high of RBs.

 

[Bri]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

IMO it's about a coach getting the most out of his players and those players respecting the coach and giving him their all as well. While the Titans RBs hold their value what's happenned to those Detroit WRs over the years? Fisher is one of the best and, when it comes down to it, every team knows that and would consider(if even for just a second) taking on one of his players because they'll be well coached players.

XRB's are lousy trade bait for the same reason that they tend to be ill-advised choices as very high draft picks - with the exception only of the elite RB's, they're virtually fungible goods with any number of RB's being capable getting yards for most teams. Drafting them because "they retain good trade value" seems more like a poor rationalization for bad picks than it does good draft policy.

You ignored the part about them leaving a high quality player available to other teams.

 

[BoltBacker]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

you said "I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster" when discussing a guy that got 1110 yards in his second year. Sorry but it sure seems like Tomlinson has spoiled you and your expectations are especially high of RBs.

Not really. I believe the last guy to get that little productivity out of 300+ carries was Lamar Smith with the Dolphins in 2001. A stat line that reads 1100/7 may look ok at first glance but not if you are getting that number of carries. I wouldn't put White in the top 50 backs in the league in terms of real football. Looks like he may not have much competition again this year so if he gets another 300+ carries he'll be a fantasy option... but only because the # of carries. Not the quality.

 

[Sinrman]

Even as a Lions fan, I must say that our "brilliant" draft strategy over the last..... millenium, has been sound. We dominate.

'Nuff said..

 

[vandyt]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

You seem to have little clue how bad the Titans' playcalling was last year. There weren't many downs last year when everyone on the defense, sidelines, in the stadium, and watching on TV didn't know what play was coming. White (at his current weight) is not fantastic, but he's much better than you are giving him credit for.

 

[BoltBacker]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

You seem to have little clue how bad the Titans' playcalling was last year. There weren't many downs last year when everyone on the defense, sidelines, in the stadium, and watching on TV didn't know what play was coming. White (at his current weight) is not fantastic, but he's much better than you are giving him credit for.

I guess it must be the worst play calling in the NFL the past several years, because as I said no other runner since 2001 has produced less than White when they had as many carries. The name of that stud: Lamar Smith. Another guy I didn't think was a top 50 back.

 

[FUBAR]

If you google, there's a good article/interview with Fisher a month or two ago about this.

I guess to sum it up, name the last Titans RB that didn't have good trade value? He envisioned this scenario working itself out in this year's draft and said something like- They're not leaving high quality on their board just because they don't have a pressing need for it.

Henry went and started in Denver, Brown might be the starter in Houston etc.

I don't really understand any of this. TEN has spent a first and two second rounders on RB and I still don't see a starting quality RB on their roster. They have had a pressing need for RB and haven't been able to fill it. If anything it looks to me like they've been reaching to fill a need each year unsuccessfully.They didn't draft Henry, but if they had kept him maybe they wouldn't have been flushing picks each year trying to replace him.

White and Henry were 2nd rounders5 100 yard games in your 2nd year as a RB is nothing to sneeze at. There's work to be done and improvement to be achieved but it's something IMO

Yeah, that's what I typed a first and two second rounders.It's a lot easier to sneeze at if the guy is getting 300+ carries and only mustering 3.6yard/carry. I think your average journeyman RB could muster 3.6yards/carry so if you gave them 300+ carries they'd have at least 5 100yard games.

You seem to have little clue how bad the Titans' playcalling was last year. There weren't many downs last year when everyone on the defense, sidelines, in the stadium, and watching on TV didn't know what play was coming. White (at his current weight) is not fantastic, but he's much better than you are giving him credit for.

Maybe, but the OL is better than average. A competent RB should have netted better than 3.7 - as Brown, VY (I know, you can't compare QB rushing average with RBs) and Henry all did. 1224/7 (total/TD) looks good, but does 76.5/.5? Cedric Benson had about the same.