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[N'wahlins Hope]

I cannot believe the hype Bush is getting. He has done nothing in the NFL yet. Personally, I think we are looking at one of the biggest busts in history.Maybe not from an NFL level, but from a fantasy level.

How can Bush, as you say, live up to expectations on an NFL level, which is very high, but be the biggest bust in fantasy football history. You can't have one without the other.

 

[Blackjacks]

The Saints ranked 18th in the NFL in rushing and 20th in total offense. This was with Antwan Smith as their running back and Bowman/Brooks at QB. Bush and Brees are huge improvements over last year at each of those positions, include a healthy Joe Horn and things are not that bad.

I don't see how stating their poor rushing ranking from last year helps an argument for Bush? Also like I said, I don't think Brees is going to thrive in N.O. - I think Brooks may actually be better than Brees in that situation, so no, no upgrade there I'm afraid.

I think what he was trying to state was they were still in the top half of the league rushing with Antwain Smith leading the attack. Also with Brooks there they were trailing many games due to turnovers so they couldn't continue to pound the ball. Brees might not have the skills that Brooks has, and I agree, but he won't make the mental mistakes and he will keep the team in more game which should mean more touches for Saints running backs.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The Saints ranked 18th in the NFL in rushing and 20th in total offense. This was with Antwan Smith as their running back and Bowman/Brooks at QB. Bush and Brees are huge improvements over last year at each of those positions, include a healthy Joe Horn and things are not that bad.

I don't see how stating their poor rushing ranking from last year helps an argument for Bush? Also like I said, I don't think Brees is going to thrive in N.O. - I think Brooks may actually be better than Brees in that situation, so no, no upgrade there I'm afraid.

Bush has been the best player at every level he has ever played at (FACT)! 8.9 yards per carry against top college (FACT)! Size?? So he doesn't weigh 220 lbs. Barber, Portis, Dunn, Westbrook, Faulk all backs who did not weigh much but have had success in the last 4 years. Why can't Bush do the same?

I addressed this already, but to sum up again, for this season, he's not going into a situation that's favorable for his skils.

Oh wait ....... because he has great juke moves he can't run inside ..... I forgot.

Who's saying that?I'm saying, having seen him play extensively while he was at USC, he did not display the skills/abilities it takes to be successful in that area, and that when given the opportunity to perform in that area he did not do very well - in stark constrast to his very own teammate's performance on the very same team in the very same situations. Thus based on his past average to poor peformance in that area I feel comfortable thinking he will remain that way going forward. Now that could change if he worked on it possibly (though I personally feel he just isn't that kind of back and even with much work would probably only be average at it), but for now I think it stands that that area is a weak point for Bush.Like I said, I'm just trying to bring a little more topics for consideration to light here - nothing personal. I'm not saying he's not going to have a nice NFL carreer. I just think some folks have gotten a little overwrought about his prospects this season. I suppose for most of those people, they've already made their decison and seem to have gotten religion about it - so I guess I'm hoping to give those who still have open minds about this some counter points to chew on.I'll bow out now as I'm not bringing anything new to the table on this one at this point.

They were 18th with Antwan Smith!! I was stating there rank because with the signings during the offseason they will be much better. You can bash Reggie all you want, I really don't care.....its an obvious difference of opinions. I'll enjoy watching him play and hopefully having him on my FF team this year.

 

[3nOut]

I cannot believe the hype Bush is getting. He has done nothing in the NFL yet. Personally, I think we are looking at one of the biggest busts in history.Maybe not from an NFL level, but from a fantasy level.

How can Bush, as you say, live up to expectations on an NFL level, which is very high, but be the biggest bust in fantasy football history. You can't have one without the other.

I believe Troy Aikman is an exmple.

 

[jurb26]

I cannot believe the hype Bush is getting. He has done nothing in the NFL yet. Personally, I think we are looking at one of the biggest busts in history.Maybe not from an NFL level, but from a fantasy level.

How can Bush, as you say, live up to expectations on an NFL level, which is very high, but be the biggest bust in fantasy football history. You can't have one without the other.

I believe Troy Aikman is an exmple.

The position difference make a stark contrast in this case if you ask me.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Deuce isn't done.  They'll split time.  But if this continues, I can see Bush's PT going up even more than before.  Right now, I could see a 60-40 Deuce to Bush ratio, but the more we see of this the more it gets to 50-50 or more...

If Bush lives up to the hype, 80-20 Reggie by week 4. The superior talent will get the call. Golaline carriers maybe a differewnt story.

Man, you people don't realize how good Deuce is when healthy. Sure, that is the question mark right now, but if and that is a big if Deuce is 100% he is as good as any back in the league. The OL and a horrible situation in NO is the only reason his YPC is poor. If he were in KC, he would be doing what Larry Johnson does (if healthy). As for Reggie Bush, maybe he is a faster Brian Westbrook, but he still needs some room to run. You guys who think that Bush would unseat Deuce if Deuce is healthy don't know how the NFL works. Now, if Bush is a faster Westbrook that would be an awesome weapon and if Deuce is hurt Bush could do pretty well, but he still needs room to run. If you are in a redraft league, you should let Bush fall for awhile before you take him. Most certainly, someone will drink the koolaid in a redraft and take him too early.FWIW, I will be taking Bush with the 1st overall pick in the draft in a 9 man keeper league after acquiring that pick plus Deuce for Marvin Harrison, Cedric Benson and the 5th overall pick (DeAngelo or L. White?). I subsequently traded Deuce and Chester Taylor away for McGahee.

 

[MLBrandow]

I cannot believe the hype Bush is getting. He has done nothing in the NFL yet. Personally, I think we are looking at one of the biggest busts in history.Maybe not from an NFL level, but from a fantasy level.

I think he will hit his ADP. 1000/10 is plausible.but getting 1000/10, between WR3 and RB2, won't impact Deuce's numbers, and from what I've seen/heard/read, will likely lead Deuce to better TD production via more goal-line opportunities.

 

[hawaiiankrush]

I love it when guys trash Bush....that makes him move available to me in my leagues if my other league members read this thread. You don't turn down a Ferrari when you have a chance to drive one.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Thats 177 total yds and a TD in what is considered a poor performance for Bush.

By the way, that's 23 points.Times 16, that's 368 points, or good for RB1 in NFL FF last year.Yes, it's college, and yes, it's different. But that gives you an idea of what his BAD games were like in college.No, he shouldn't be a first round pick this year. But given Deuce's injury, and the problems associated with it, I have no problem with him being a mid-late 3rd round pick.