Deuce Mcalister . (1 Viewer)

[Traders2001]

I am looking at teams who might be in need of a RB next season, where do you think he might end up .

New York Jets ( Barlow is nt the answer )

Houston ( If DD does nt come back and no rookie makes a good impression this season )

Jacksonville ( Taylor is old and Jones ..... )

Denver ( they should pursue him now )

Dallas ( if Jones and Barber suxor )

Giants to take Tiki s job

Green Bay will need a RB

Minnesota ( Taylor is nt the answer )

 

[nortobc]

New Orleans.

 

[goonsquad]

 

[cr8f]

I doubt it. They have other needs for the contract money.

 

[trader jake]

Jaguars

 

[ImTheScientist]

Cleveland

 

[gildawg]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

 

[Blackjacks]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

He did but that means nothing in the NFL. I think he ends up as a Giant next year. Tike is done after this year and Deuce fits in nicely. A good runner who can catch and is physical in the cold months of the season. The Saints can't afford to pay him and Reggie the amount they are due next year.

 

[mightyeskimo]

I would love to see him in either Jacksonville or New York Giants. Good QB's on both teams. Good coaching. Good defense. Good (and improving) offensive lines. Both spots would be good for me as a Deuce owner.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why should they get rid of him?

 

[goonsquad]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

He did but that means nothing in the NFL. I think he ends up as a Giant next year. Tike is done after this year and Deuce fits in nicely. A good runner who can catch and is physical in the cold months of the season. The Saints can't afford to pay him and Reggie the amount they are due next year.

I don't see any team trading something of value for a guy with his contract and injury history. If Edge and Alexander couldn't field any trade partners, I don't see teams lining up for Deuce. I could be wrong, but I think he's staying put until his contract expires.

 

[Z-Dog]

My understanding of Deuce's contract is that cutting or trading him next year is either a $9 million cap hit, or $2 million next year and $7 million the year after. I don't think he's going anywhere. There is another thread on this that has the detailed numbers breakdown for anyone who is interested enough to brave the search feature (PS, better off using google to search this site than using the on-board search feature).

 

[King of the Jungle]

Why should they get rid of him?

I agree. Bush is not a 25 carry back (I own Bush in a Dynasty League). They need somebody to split carries with him in order for him to be as effective as possible. It would be a mistake, IMO, to let Duece leave (unless they could find somebody else to fill that role).

 

[redman]

Given Bush's undoubtedly heavy involvement in the passing game, there will be plenty of touches to go around, and Deuce could easily end up with 225 carries without complaint from Bush.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

He did but that means nothing in the NFL. I think he ends up as a Giant next year. Tike is done after this year and Deuce fits in nicely. A good runner who can catch and is physical in the cold months of the season. The Saints can't afford to pay him and Reggie the amount they are due next year.

I don't see any team trading something of value for a guy with his contract and injury history. If Edge and Alexander couldn't field any trade partners, I don't see teams lining up for Deuce. I could be wrong, but I think he's staying put until his contract expires.

I think this is a bit different as Edge and SA had contracts about to expire and were going to be demanding huge, longterm ones. Deuce is two years into a deal and should already be locked up on the basis of that contract if traded, which would be less than if he were to negotiate for a new contract upon being traded like was the case with SA/Edge.

 

[cstu]

I think the Giants are possible if Tiki decides to retire. They would need somebody and Deuce would be the obvious choice. It's hard to say how a trade would work out since NO would be taking a big cap hit and a 1st would be too much for the Giants to give up. On the other hand, the Giants would be getting a starting RB for cheap (just his base salary) and no guaranteed money. Deuce is much more of a sure thing than a late first round rookie who is going to want a big signing bonus.

Signed an eight-year, $50.1 million contract on 7/29/2005. The deal includes $12.5 million in bonuses. McAllister can earn $14.55 million during the first two years of the deal, and $28.2 million over the first five years. The salaries are $1.45 million in 2006, $2.6 million in 2007 with a $1 million roster bonus, $3.6 million in 2008 with a $1 million roster bonus, and $5.2 million in 2009. The deal also contains annual workout boni of $100,000 per year.

 

[JuniorNB]

If people think that McCalister will ne out of New Orleans because Reggie Bush is going to be the full time running back, they are sadly mistaken.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bush never becomes a 25-30 carries a game guy.

 

[Tyrion]

If people think that McCalister will ne out of New Orleans because Reggie Bush is going to be the full time running back, they are sadly mistaken.I wouldn't be surprised if Bush never becomes a 25-30 carries a game guy.

I keep seeing the 25-30 carries a game thrown around. It's not accurate. Most backs never see that number. Even if Bush shares a few carries with another back the Saints might still trade Deuce and bring in a less expensive option for the other carries.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

He did but that means nothing in the NFL. I think he ends up as a Giant next year. Tike is done after this year and Deuce fits in nicely. A good runner who can catch and is physical in the cold months of the season. The Saints can't afford to pay him and Reggie the amount they are due next year.

I would love this as a homer from Oxford, MS. To see Deuce and Eli on the same team in the NFL would be awesome.

 

[chris1969]

Maybe we should see Bush make it through a NFL season first before we get rid of Deuce. Even if he's everything everyone says, we don't know if he'll stay healthy, stay off drugs, not get in a fight with the coach, not demand to get out of New Orleans ect....

 

[ELI2TYREE]

Is his contract up after this season? I thought he signed an extension before last season.

He did but that means nothing in the NFL. I think he ends up as a Giant next year. Tike is done after this year and Deuce fits in nicely. A good runner who can catch and is physical in the cold months of the season. The Saints can't afford to pay him and Reggie the amount they are due next year.

Tiki is "done" next year? Someone better tell Tiki then. ROFL! That is ... Highly unlikely. What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?What season ending injuries has Tiki had compared to Deuce? You'd better hope Deuce makes it through the season without re-injuring that knee before even thinking about where he'll be next year. Tiki's talk of retirement is just that -talk. If they win the SuperBowl, then maybe it becomes a reality. But until then, dream on.Which brings us to all the excellent points as to why the Saints won't get rid of him. Who is to say that Bush will be able to be a full time #1 back? The book is sstill out on that. This entire thread is a waste of time.Sincerely, Giant Fan

 

[Sopranos]

His contract isnt trade friendly,it would be a big hit. He will be there atleast next season

 

[Illmatic]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

 

[Blackjacks]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

 

[ELI2TYREE]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

you're probably the type that believes everything he reads too. Listen, I'm a Giant fan, an i can assure you that retirement is unlikely at this point in his career. You may as well suggest that Shaun LAexander will retire as well, despite his massive contract which he just signed. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he does, won't we?

 

[SSOG]

I am looking at teams who might be in need of a RB next season, where do you think he might end up .New York Jets ( Barlow is nt the answer )Houston ( If DD does nt come back and no rookie makes a good impression this season )Jacksonville ( Taylor is old and Jones ..... )Denver ( they should pursue him now )Dallas ( if Jones and Barber suxor )Giants to take Tiki s job Green Bay will need a RBMinnesota ( Taylor is nt the answer )

Rule out Denver. McAllister is probably the biggest boom-or-bust RB currently in the NFL, which means he'd never be more than a situational RB in Denver- and he'd cost too much to just be a situational back.Rule out Houston, too, for the same reasons. Kubiak's offense is going to look an awful lot like Shanahan's, at least for the next couple of years.Edit: If you want some support for the claim that McAllister is the biggest boom-or-bust RB in the NFL... in his best season (2003), he ranked 44th in the entire NFL in success rate (out of the 53 backs with 75+ carries), with 41%. In 2002, he was 36th out of 51 with a 42% success rate, and in 2004 he was 36th out of 52 with a 43% success rate.

 

[fsufan]

once again this MB overvaluing rookies

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

you're probably the type that believes everything he reads too. Listen, I'm a Giant fan, an i can assure you that retirement is unlikely at this point in his career. You may as well suggest that Shaun LAexander will retire as well, despite his massive contract which he just signed. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he does, won't we?

Did Alexander who is 3 years younger say this is probably his last year like Tiki? Compare apples to apples, guy. Tiki will be in the broadcast booth either next year or the year after.

 

[Gandalf]

There is no doubt in my mind that New Orleans would want to keep both Bush and McAllister. My question is financially, can they? They paid Deuce good starting RB money before he tore is ACL. And obviously they just gave Reggie a big contract. Offsetting this is the new increase to the salary cap. Anyone from New Orleans think they will be able to keep both financially?

 

[Sabertooth]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops.

You people crack me up.

 

[Texasmouth]

##### McSuckister will be with the Saints next year and the year after, consistently clouding yet another fantasy football running back situation.

 

[pizzatyme]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

That is rediculous! R. Bush 6' 203Barry Sanders HOF 5'8" 200Not saying Bush is a Hall of Famer, but saying someone with his size CAN be an every down back!

 

[redman]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

That is rediculous! R. Bush 6' 203Barry Sanders HOF 5'8" 200Not saying Bush is a Hall of Famer, but saying someone with his size CAN be an every down back!

Mr. Sarcasm - 4'9" 185

 

[Traders2001]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

 

[cstu]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

you're probably the type that believes everything he reads too. Listen, I'm a Giant fan, an i can assure you that retirement is unlikely at this point in his career. You may as well suggest that Shaun LAexander will retire as well, despite his massive contract which he just signed. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he does, won't we?

Did Alexander who is 3 years younger say this is probably his last year like Tiki? Compare apples to apples, guy. Tiki will be in the broadcast booth either next year or the year after.

I can understand the reluctance to accept that a player is getting near the end of his career, believe me it sucked when Emmitt got old. It's not unrealistic that Tiki will play next year but he'll be 32 and that's usually the limit to when a RB is effective and doesn't get hurt.

 

[Z-Dog]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

That is rediculous! R. Bush 6' 203Barry Sanders HOF 5'8" 200Not saying Bush is a Hall of Famer, but saying someone with his size CAN be an every down back!

You realize, of course, that two guys who weigh the same, but are 4" apart in height have VERY different body types? Sanders had thighs like a Christmas ham. Bush has got thighs like, well, chikcen wings.I'm not a hater - I figure Bush can hold up to an NFL pounding, I just think he gets no more than 200 rushing touches/year.

 

[Blitzkrieg88]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

Horrible, innaccurate post, acually. For 1, Jamal Anderson in his CAREER year averaged 25 carries a game. On a great year, most RBs do not average more than 18-20. Bush could easily handle 18 carries. You make it sound like he is a skinny weakling. He was stronger than most, if not all other RBs, and even some linemen as displayed during Pro Day. The dude is strong, fast, and will be an every down back.

 

[redman]

Bush figures to get 20-25 touches per game, 15-20 of which will be carries/rushes. McCallister could still get 15 carries per game and goalline work and be a very respectable RB2 or RB3 in fantasy.

To me it's only a matter of how quickly that comes about.

 

[Blackjacks]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

you're probably the type that believes everything he reads too. Listen, I'm a Giant fan, an i can assure you that retirement is unlikely at this point in his career. You may as well suggest that Shaun LAexander will retire as well, despite his massive contract which he just signed. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he does, won't we?

Did Alexander who is 3 years younger say this is probably his last year like Tiki? Compare apples to apples, guy. Tiki will be in the broadcast booth either next year or the year after.

I can understand the reluctance to accept that a player is getting near the end of his career, believe me it sucked when Emmitt got old. It's not unrealistic that Tiki will play next year but he'll be 32 and that's usually the limit to when a RB is effective and doesn't get hurt.

Well you might be a Giants fan but obviously people are agreeing with me. The Alexander comment was just plain dumb. They have nothing in common with each other. Enjoy Tiki this year cause he'll retire next year and I think you'll see Deuce there to replace him. If you come back with something make it something that makes sense.

 

[Sabertooth]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

Horrible, innaccurate post, acually. For 1, Jamal Anderson in his CAREER year averaged 25 carries a game. On a great year, most RBs do not average more than 18-20. Bush could easily handle 18 carries. You make it sound like he is a skinny weakling. He was stronger than most, if not all other RBs, and even some linemen as displayed during Pro Day. The dude is strong, fast, and will be an every down back.

:whoosh:

 

[cstu]

What exactly in Tiki's game makes you think he's on the downside of his career?

Do you think he has more good years in his future or in his past? I would guess that he's getting closer to the end of his career than the beginning.

based on what - his age? Way to go out on a limb. Until he actually has a bad year, let's put the talk of him being "done" aside.

He said it not me. On a recent PTI episode he said this was probably his last year in the league. I think Deuce would make a nice replacement. At the end of this year he'll be 32 which is old for a rb in the NFL. Are you suggesting he should get a serious injury to make him quit? You better ask him about that, most people would rather like to walk the rest of their lives instead of play another year of football.

you're probably the type that believes everything he reads too. Listen, I'm a Giant fan, an i can assure you that retirement is unlikely at this point in his career. You may as well suggest that Shaun LAexander will retire as well, despite his massive contract which he just signed. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what he does, won't we?

Did Alexander who is 3 years younger say this is probably his last year like Tiki? Compare apples to apples, guy. Tiki will be in the broadcast booth either next year or the year after.

I can understand the reluctance to accept that a player is getting near the end of his career, believe me it sucked when Emmitt got old. It's not unrealistic that Tiki will play next year but he'll be 32 and that's usually the limit to when a RB is effective and doesn't get hurt.

Well you might be a Giants fan but obviously people are agreeing with me. The Alexander comment was just plain dumb. They have nothing in common with each other. Enjoy Tiki this year cause he'll retire next year and I think you'll see Deuce there to replace him. If you come back with something make it something that makes sense.

I think you misunderstood my post - I think even if Tiki comes back he'll be old for a RB and likely to get injured or be less productive.

 

[goonsquad]

Bush can't carry the ball more than 4-6 times a game or he's going to get hurt. He's never going to be the 30-40 carry back that Jamal Anderson was. Bush could maybe hand 70-80 carries per season tops. You people crack me up.

Horrible, innaccurate post, acually. For 1, Jamal Anderson in his CAREER year averaged 25 carries a game. On a great year, most RBs do not average more than 18-20. Bush could easily handle 18 carries. You make it sound like he is a skinny weakling. He was stronger than most, if not all other RBs, and even some linemen as displayed during Pro Day. The dude is strong, fast, and will be an every down back.

Sound it out, now... "sahr-kaz-uhm".

 

[ELI2TYREE]

My understanding of Deuce's contract is that cutting or trading him next year is either a $9 million cap hit, or $2 million next year and $7 million the year after. I don't think he's going anywhere. There is another thread on this that has the detailed numbers breakdown for anyone who is interested enough to brave the search feature (PS, better off using google to search this site than using the on-board search feature).

Duece isn't going anywhere, and the Giants likely don't have the room nor the desire to take on a contract like that for a guy who tore his knee up and can't stay on the field. Now if he were to be cut and the Giants could get him on the cheap, a la Arrington, then we have something to talk about. You guys are absolutely nuts to think Tiki will retire. MAYBE if we win a SB. A very unlikely MAYBE. Otherwise he's staying. This talk of him being done just based on his age alone is pure crap.Tiki has gotten better with age, and while that may be an abnormality among RB"s it is the fact and the truth. Until his career actually starts to decline, can we poop-can the talk of Tiki being done? Lets not forget to mention that Jacobs will be filling in more this year to spell Tiki, especially in games when we are ahead and the outcome decided. So in summation - Deuce, goes nowhere. Tiki MVP.