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Deuce McAllister in 2007 (1 Viewer)

eefflrat

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Reggie Bush proved this year that he should be able to handle the starting duties next year, I see him more of a Brian Westbrook back catching 70-80 balls and rushing for about 1000 yards as a starter. Does it make sense for the Saints to pay McAllister all that money next year to split time, or does anyone think that Deuce basically audtioned in 2006 for a starting gig elsewhere in 2007? With the injury behind him his value couldn't be much higher.

Thanks

 
No reason to trade him. The saints offense was explosive with both Deuce and Reggie. Teams usually need two good backs to be competitive nowadays. Bush could get injured, then what would they do? Gotta keep him.

 
The NFL isn't fantasy football. Deuce and Reggie make for one helluva 1-2 punch. And they can play together on the field at the same time, for that matter.

As much as you Bush dynasty owners hate to hear it, I think these guys are going play together for a LONG time.

 
Reggie Bush proved this year that he should be able to handle the starting duties next year
Is this the same Reggie Bush who ran for 155 yeards and a 3.6 YPC average?
No he's the guy that ran 558 yards and progressed as a RB later in the year. I am well aware of his yards and YPC, that's why I say he goes in as a Westbrook type. Obviously he is a talented back, and if given the rock full time there is no doubt in my mind he will be a very good RB and receiver. Listen I didn't buy into the Bush hype early, but towards the end I saw an explosive back, and I see an opportunity for the Saints to help themselves in other areas if they trade Deuce. What I am asking is who thinks they trade Deuce?
 
The NFL isn't fantasy football. Deuce and Reggie make for one helluva 1-2 punch. And they can play together on the field at the same time, for that matter.As much as you Bush dynasty owners hate to hear it, I think these guys are going play together for a LONG time.
Actually I don't own Bush or Deuce, but I was considering trading Willis in a deal to get Deuce and a WR for next year. Trade aside, and I agree it's not fantasy football, but economics plays a lot into this. Deuce is a very expensive RB backup, and the Saints could address other needs with the cash and a pick.
 
Why would they trade Deuce? It makes no sense. I believe his contract may be up after next year so then they might not want to spend the money to keep him given all they have invested in Reggie but I don't see why they would even entertain the idea of trading him before that.

 
I believe his contract may be up after next year so then they might not want to spend the money to keep him given all they have invested in Reggie but I don't see why they would even entertain the idea of trading him before that.
Deuce signed a 7 year deal in 2005, I don't know the particulars, but I know he's costly.Anyway I get the point, no one thinks it's going to happen. Considering the lack of RB talent coming out in this year's draft and the FA's available teams like the Jets, Raiders, Packers, Texans, Browns, Lions (Lis Franc for Jones), Ravens (Lewis washed up?), Denver, Giants (Tiki retiring) anything is possible.Thanks for the input.
 
The NFL isn't fantasy football. Deuce and Reggie make for one helluva 1-2 punch. And they can play together on the field at the same time, for that matter.As much as you Bush dynasty owners hate to hear it, I think these guys are going play together for a LONG time.
Actually I don't own Bush or Deuce, but I was considering trading Willis in a deal to get Deuce and a WR for next year. Trade aside, and I agree it's not fantasy football, but economics plays a lot into this. Deuce is a very expensive RB backup, and the Saints could address other needs with the cash and a pick.
deuce isn't a backup... its 1A & 1B... deuce is better between the tackles & in short yardage... plus, as has been mentioned, they can be on field at same time, & having deuce frees up bush to be split out and used as WR weapon... deuce is signed already for 07, so i think there would be cap repercussions if he were traded... sometimes it makes more sense for teams to keep players, especially if they like him and he is doing well in the system... with the saints great success with both of them, i just don't see payton entertaining thought of moving deuce next season...
 
Deuce ain't the backup.

The Saints have a great situation at RB. They have a powerful, consistent starting tailback, and the ultimate wildcard to spell him and play WR on other downs. I would think that they'll try to keep this situation intact as long as possible.

 
I also think Deuce will be back again. He just signed a new contract recently so his cap number is not too bad.

 
Reggie Bush proved this year that he should be able to handle the starting duties next year
Is this the same Reggie Bush who ran for 155 yeards and a 3.6 YPC average?
No he's the guy that ran 558 yards and progressed as a RB later in the year. I am well aware of his yards and YPC, that's why I say he goes in as a Westbrook type. Obviously he is a talented back, and if given the rock full time there is no doubt in my mind he will be a very good RB and receiver. Listen I didn't buy into the Bush hype early, but towards the end I saw an explosive back, and I see an opportunity for the Saints to help themselves in other areas if they trade Deuce. What I am asking is who thinks they trade Deuce?
Bush certainly looked better as the year went on, but it's ridiculous to say that he's proven he can be a workhorse RB in this league. He has proven he can be one hell of an explosive weapon, but he has not proven he can take the beating that comes with being an everydown back.In fact, neither has the guy you compared him to (Brian Westbrook).The Saints would be foolish to trade McAllister and put the full load on Bush.
 
Deuce ain't the backup.The Saints have a great situation at RB. They have a powerful, consistent starting tailback, and the ultimate wildcard to spell him and play WR on other downs. I would think that they'll try to keep this situation intact as long as possible.
I'm sorry I didn't mean Deuce is the backup now, I just have a feeling Bush will be the featured back next year, so I called Deuce the backup. As I said before I don't own either guy, although I own Brees and watched a lot of those games.
 
Deuce/Reggie at the NFL level = LenDale/Reggie at the NCAA level

very successful pairings, so why change anything?

plus, for every 30 RBs rumored to get traded, very few do. Yes, I know abot Barlow, Portis, etc... but I also know about T. Jones, Taylor, etc.

 
Wishful thinking. They'll both be in NO next year. I think there is a growing trend in the NFL to have two special runners since their shelf life seems so short. NO, NE, SD, Dallas, Tennessee, Chicago...the list is much longer of two-back teams these days. It's almost like a necessity.

 
x260bm said:
I also think Deuce will be back again. He just signed a new contract recently so his cap number is not too bad.
Since he just signed a new deal, I'm not sure if they have much of a choice right now. I would think if they traded him they might have to pay off his signing bonus and it may give them too big of a cap hit. Anyone know anything about this?
 
Borat said:
eefflrat said:
Reggie Bush proved this year that he should be able to handle the starting duties next year
Is this the same Reggie Bush who ran for 155 yeards and a 3.6 YPC average?
No, I think its the same Reggie Bush who had a 2.6 YPC in his first 8 games and a very nice 4.8 YPC in his last 8 games. I know its strange to think that a young talent would take on a new job, learn the job, and then continue to get better at said job over time. Crazy concept I know.That said I believe its in the Saints best interest to keep the 1-2 punch of Deuce and Reggie thru next season. Beyond that you have to believe with the money involved it will be to their advantage to try work something out regarding Deuce in '08.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
if it ain't broke...
I agree. Unless there's some sort of cap issue not mentioned, I don't see any need for change.Payton's previous two teams were "Thunder and Lightning" + BarberIII and Jones. He seems fine with two backs.
 
Borat said:
eefflrat said:
Reggie Bush proved this year that he should be able to handle the starting duties next year
Is this the same Reggie Bush who ran for 155 yeards and a 3.6 YPC average?
No, I think its the same Reggie Bush who had a 2.6 YPC in his first 8 games and a very nice 4.8 YPC in his last 8 games. I know its strange to think that a young talent would take on a new job, learn the job, and then continue to get better at said job over time. Crazy concept I know.That said I believe its in the Saints best interest to keep the 1-2 punch of Deuce and Reggie thru next season. Beyond that you have to believe with the money involved it will be to their advantage to try work something out regarding Deuce in '08.
I think Bush showed he's a pretty sweet freelance artist
 
As noted previously, it's about winning games, and the Deuce/Bush combo is doing just that. No need for significant changes IMO.

I think the only potential issue down the road is the cap situation, given that so much money is tied up in the RB position. For the time being, however, there doesn't appear to be cap issues - although someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 
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As much as I could wish for him to get traded I think Deuce will be in New Orleans for atleast another year, probably more. The $ might catch up with them in a couple of years but after this huge run in the regular season you don't get rid of one of your favorite and best players. I do however, think eventually the $ might split them but unfortunetly for us Reggie owners, someone else will be there instead of Deuce. Reggie is a great football player and he will be good at fantasy football as well but he might not ever be a 25 carry back which is something the saints will always need. He'll always have some form of a Deuce or a Lendale and this is coming from a Reggie fan and a owner of a him in a dynasty league.

 
I have Bush in a keeper league and am willing to wait it out. I figure that with the way the NFL is, either McAllister will be on another team in the next two to three years, or Bush will end up being such a playmaker that he'll get his regardless much like Westbrook.

Also, McAllister has an injury history. Not that I want him to ever get hurt. I think he's one of the best back in the NFL and it really sucks that he's had injuries, but if it were to happen again Bush would be $$$.

I consider hanging on to RB as an investment towards the future.

(plus I have the #1 pick so will be teaming him with AP as well)

 
Think he'll be in NO and as a Deuce owner I'm fine with that. Before week 17, when he sat, he was a top 10 back in non ppr leagues and he had more touches in the second half of the season than the first. Bush had 250 touches on offense. I don't see that increasing much so I think Deuce continues the same kind of role he had this year. Reggie's not a workhorse back, he strikes me as a back who does his best work with a set number of touches. I think the Saints will have around 600 touches to divy up among their backs so once again so I don't think Deuce will be hurting for work.

 

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