Devery Henderson (1 Viewer)

[biggamer3]

is he gonna even be the #2 in New orleans?

is he a #3 type fantasy player this year?

 

[perry147]

The draft could play a huge roll in the opportunities he gets this year.

 

[Warpig]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR.

It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

 

[Giggity]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR. It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

Engram and Curtis? Really? That would be fairly major since the Seahawks just resigned Engram and the Eagles gave a fairly big contract to Curtis. Regardless the way NO trades/cuts WRs, I don't see them bringing in a big time WR. Colston is a lock for #1, and Cooper/Henderson will battle it out to be a solid #2. The loser is the 3rd WR. Sure they'd like some depth, but with Bush's role in the offense, I don't see a big need for another 2nd/3rd WR type. Bush is a WR.

 

[saintfool]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR. It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

Engram and Curtis? Really? That would be fairly major since the Seahawks just resigned Engram and the Eagles gave a fairly big contract to Curtis. Regardless the way NO trades/cuts WRs, I don't see them bringing in a big time WR. Colston is a lock for #1, and Cooper/Henderson will battle it out to be a solid #2. The loser is the 3rd WR. Sure they'd like some depth, but with Bush's role in the offense, I don't see a big need for another 2nd/3rd WR type. Bush is a WR.

Bush is going to be doing more work on the ground as a RB than pass catching from most reports. Payton felt the team needed a vet. They looked at Jackson, Stokely and Engram before settling on Patten. I do not believe for a second that Patten is the vet they want though, especially when you consider the other guys they brought in.This is a make or break year for Henderson. He's got great speed but with suspect hands. Copper doesn't have the speed but is willing to work the middle. I don't see either guy with big #'s over the season, especially because they added a real pass catching TE in Eric Johnson. The coaching staff and Brees have shown a fondness for that kind of player. I think if top grade talent presents itself in the draft at the WR position then they very well might grab it. Otherwise, I would look for a cap cut cast-off, like a McCardell possibly, to be added.

 

[Giggity]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR. It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

Engram and Curtis? Really? That would be fairly major since the Seahawks just resigned Engram and the Eagles gave a fairly big contract to Curtis. Regardless the way NO trades/cuts WRs, I don't see them bringing in a big time WR. Colston is a lock for #1, and Cooper/Henderson will battle it out to be a solid #2. The loser is the 3rd WR. Sure they'd like some depth, but with Bush's role in the offense, I don't see a big need for another 2nd/3rd WR type. Bush is a WR.

Bush is going to be doing more work on the ground as a RB than pass catching from most reports. Payton felt the team needed a vet. They looked at Jackson, Stokely and Engram before settling on Patten. I do not believe for a second that Patten is the vet they want though, especially when you consider the other guys they brought in.This is a make or break year for Henderson. He's got great speed but with suspect hands. Copper doesn't have the speed but is willing to work the middle. I don't see either guy with big #'s over the season, especially because they added a real pass catching TE in Eric Johnson. The coaching staff and Brees have shown a fondness for that kind of player. I think if top grade talent presents itself in the draft at the WR position then they very well might grab it. Otherwise, I would look for a cap cut cast-off, like a McCardell possibly, to be added.

Pretty much disagree 100%.They had a powerhouse offense last year. Henderson/Copper had some big games when Colston went down. Bush can be used to catch 6-7 balls if needed.The defense more or less sucked. The secondary is a complete mess. They simply won't draft a WR on the first day. As you said, they now have a solid TE, Bush, Colston, Henderson, etc... Sure they'll add some depth, but WR is not a big need area IMHO.

 

[Thom Yorke]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR. It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

Engram and Curtis? Really? That would be fairly major since the Seahawks just resigned Engram and the Eagles gave a fairly big contract to Curtis. Regardless the way NO trades/cuts WRs, I don't see them bringing in a big time WR. Colston is a lock for #1, and Cooper/Henderson will battle it out to be a solid #2. The loser is the 3rd WR. Sure they'd like some depth, but with Bush's role in the offense, I don't see a big need for another 2nd/3rd WR type. Bush is a WR.

Bush is going to be doing more work on the ground as a RB than pass catching from most reports. Payton felt the team needed a vet. They looked at Jackson, Stokely and Engram before settling on Patten. I do not believe for a second that Patten is the vet they want though, especially when you consider the other guys they brought in.This is a make or break year for Henderson. He's got great speed but with suspect hands. Copper doesn't have the speed but is willing to work the middle. I don't see either guy with big #'s over the season, especially because they added a real pass catching TE in Eric Johnson. The coaching staff and Brees have shown a fondness for that kind of player. I think if top grade talent presents itself in the draft at the WR position then they very well might grab it. Otherwise, I would look for a cap cut cast-off, like a McCardell possibly, to be added.

Pretty much disagree 100%.They had a powerhouse offense last year. Henderson/Copper had some big games when Colston went down. Bush can be used to catch 6-7 balls if needed.The defense more or less sucked. The secondary is a complete mess. They simply won't draft a WR on the first day. As you said, they now have a solid TE, Bush, Colston, Henderson, etc... Sure they'll add some depth, but WR is not a big need area IMHO.

There is very, very little chance that Henderson emerges as the true #2 WR. The coaches view him as a field stretcher who has trouble consistently catching the ball and running good routes. The FO has made no secrets about its efforts to go after a FA/rook to take over the #2 slot, and with the Saints about to sign Jason David away from Indy in RFA, a WR is a very real possibility in the 1st round.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I had high hopes for Copper as well. But it looks like NO is still looking for more WR's to bring in. They've been connected to rumors for D-Jax, and even Bobby Engram and Kevin Curtis I believe. Plus they will probably draft a WR. It's not looking too promising for any of the NO WR's not named Colston.

Engram and Curtis? Really? That would be fairly major since the Seahawks just resigned Engram and the Eagles gave a fairly big contract to Curtis.

I think his point is that NO is looking at WRs... not necessarily that these two are going to be signed.

 

[crimsonrebel]

I dont think its as big of a concern as shoring up the D. Horn was hurt for a big chunk of last year too, and they still had the #1 O without him. thats why they let him go. I think Patten was only brought in to hone the skills of the younger guys. My gut tells me theyre cool with Colston, Copper, Henderson as the 1-3 recievers in that order. Maybe a 3rd-4th round wr this year....maybe!

 

[identikit]

I dont think its as big of a concern as shoring up the D. Horn was hurt for a big chunk of last year too, and they still had the #1 O without him. thats why they let him go. I think Patten was only brought in to hone the skills of the younger guys. My gut tells me theyre cool with Colston, Copper, Henderson as the 1-3 recievers in that order. Maybe a 3rd-4th round wr this year....maybe!

I agree, especially with the bolded statement. Maybe Henderson will step up and take the starting gig. He's had opportunities, and has yet to do so.

Id

 

[saintfool]

Pretty much disagree 100%.They had a powerhouse offense last year. Henderson/Copper had some big games when Colston went down. Bush can be used to catch 6-7 balls if needed.The defense more or less sucked. The secondary is a complete mess. They simply won't draft a WR on the first day. As you said, they now have a solid TE, Bush, Colston, Henderson, etc... Sure they'll add some depth, but WR is not a big need area IMHO.

It was a powerhouse offense, sure, but both Copper and Henderson dropped way too many balls. They proved wildly inconsistent game to game. This is why you either bring in a rookie who is "insta-pro" or a vet who can make a clutch play and teach the youngsters.Bush can catch the ball but all the talk has been how they are committed to improving his production on the ground. I honestly couldn't tell you what the Saints will do in the early rounds of the draft. Payton and Loomis have done a decent job of addressing the obvious needs of the team this offseason through free agency. They talk about the long term development of the team coming through the draft. So they could go DB, LB, D-line, WR, TE, or even QB. However good Colston is, he's still a young player with a pretty quiet and unassuming demeanor. They clearly are looking to pair him with someone given the names mentioned this off-season. Henderson/Copper have an opportunity but they could be marginal if an obvious #2 comes to the team either through the draft or FA.

 

[MPhilly03]

In a start 3 WR league Henderson is an excellent 4th guy. You just have to hope his big game are on weeks that one of your starters is on a bye so you can get the points. If you count on him as a weekly player he seems too streaky. So I will say "nope".

 

[KellysHeroes]

It was a powerhouse offense, sure, but both Copper and Henderson dropped way too many balls. They proved wildly inconsistent game to game. This is why you either bring in a rookie who is "insta-pro" or a vet who can make a clutch play and teach the youngsters.

Copper recorded zero drops last season... Henderson had 8..Copper just can't get open.. Where Henderson has the speed to get open and makes the "hard" catches.. he seems to lose focus on the easier ones.. As of now.. I would take Henderson over Copper even if Copper was placed in the #2 spot.. Henderson is better as the slot guy and will get more targets..

BTW.. we already had a heated discussion about Devery

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=314096

 

[ATC1]

It was a powerhouse offense, sure, but both Copper and Henderson dropped way too many balls. They proved wildly inconsistent game to game. This is why you either bring in a rookie who is "insta-pro" or a vet who can make a clutch play and teach the youngsters.

Copper recorded zero drops last season... Henderson had 8..Copper just can't get open.. Where Henderson has the speed to get open and makes the "hard" catches.. he seems to lose focus on the easier ones.. As of now.. I would take Henderson over Copper even if Copper was placed in the #2 spot.. Henderson is better as the slot guy and will get more targets..

BTW.. we already had a heated discussion about Devery

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=314096

It's not that he drops it. Copper fumbled the ball on at least 3 key drives last year. I think they will take a WR in the 1st or 2nd round. Or maybe they have another M. Colston prospect in a later round. If they are not happy with the depth then I think they will bring in another vet like McCardell. I think they like Devery in the slot. He was in Hasslet's dog house because he was not picking up the offense. Payton may have put him in the #3 slot because it's easier to learn. Instead of learning new routes they may just leave him there.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Your right.. Copper is credited w/ 2 Fumbles Losses.. only having 23 rec w/ 2 Fumbles is not good at all.

I believe they go WR 1st Day myself.. a guy who can play #2

Copper and Henderson are both signed till next yr.. which to me means one is going away next yr.. most likey Copper

News: Saints re-signed WR Terrance Copper to a one-year, $850,000 contract.

Impact: Copper racked up 23 catches and averaged 16.7 yards-per-reception as a fourth receiver in 2006. He's expected to be New Orleans' third receiver this season. Copper drew some interest on the restricted free agent market and will head to unrestricted free agency in 2008. (Tue. Mar 27, 2007)

 

[saintfool]

It's not that he drops it. Copper fumbled the ball on at least 3 key drives last year. I think they will take a WR in the 1st or 2nd round. Or maybe they have another M. Colston prospect in a later round. If they are not happy with the depth then I think they will bring in another vet like McCardell. I think they like Devery in the slot. He was in Hasslet's dog house because he was not picking up the offense. Payton may have put him in the #3 slot because it's easier to learn. Instead of learning new routes they may just leave him there.

i look at it like this: copper was a player that payton liked from his days in Dallas. devery is in the last year of a contract. copper just re-signed a 1 year incentive laden contract. both guys are playing for their future. the more i think about the draft, the more i am convinced that a WR will be grabbed early on.

 

[Sidewinder]

The defense more or less sucked. The secondary is a complete mess. They simply won't draft a WR on the first day. As you said, they now have a solid TE, Bush, Colston, Henderson, etc... Sure they'll add some depth, but WR is not a big need area IMHO.

Guess it depends on your definition of "more or less sucked":2006 defensive stats: 13th overall in points allowed, 11th overall in total yards allowed, and 4th overall in first downs allowed. Seems to me perception is not reality in this case. Just my $0.02.The run defense could certainly use some shoring up, but overall they really didn't play that badly last year. And three free agents (assuming the Colts don't match David's offer sheet) who will either start or play key roles in the defense have been signed. Using the defense sucked argument as a basis for not drafting a WR on the first day is pretty shaky, especially when it really didn't and when needs have been addressed in FA. If Dwayne Bowe is sitting there at 27, I'd be happy to wager a large sum of $$ that he is the pick. JMHO.

...It's not that he drops it. Copper fumbled the ball on at least 3 key drives last year. I think they will take a WR in the 1st or 2nd round. ...

Well, really only the fumble in the PITT game was key. The other (he only had 2 not 3 fumbles, and none over the final 8 games) was in the Cincy game -- lost the fumble at mid-field, Bengals went 3 and out. Ended up losing about 25 yards of field position -- Brees still drove them down inside the 10, but threw the INT in the end zone to finish the first half.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

is he gonna even be the #2 in New orleans?is he a #3 type fantasy player this year?

Bump this b/c I'd like to know everyone's feelings now that NO drafted Robert Meachem in the 1st round. Do you think he becomes the immediate # 2, or is it still between DH & Copper?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think this means Copper is gone...

Devery will produce decent #s from the slot..

 

[Magic Man]

I doubt Copper is gone, as in released, because he is an excellent special teams player. He definitely won't be seeing the amount of balls he did last year. Remember Horn and Colston were hurt, so he got some good opportunities. Sean Payton brought him over from Dallas I think.