Dexter McCluster Upside? (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

Mccluster outside of return leagues is a nonfactor.

15.2 in ppr (without a TD) is low wr2 territory. And on a team likely to play from behind is pretty nice from a late teens/we pickup.

I think consistency is going to be a major problem for McCluster. There's too many mouths to feed and not enough offense to feed it. I could be wrong though and the Chiefs may be planning on making him a focal point in the passing game instead of developing Baldwin.

Thats pretty much the only scenario I see him becoming a factor, and even with a new coach im not confident that Mccluster even has "it"

 

[FarEastKilla]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game.

What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

 

[lukinrats]

I'd go with Cobb over McCluster

The problem with that is that a lot of people were already on board the Cobb hype train around draft time. Not likely that both of them are always available. I would like to have Cobb over Mccluster also. However, I drafted Dexter in the 18th round of my draft. Cobb has long since been drafted

 

[lukinrats]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game. What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

He is not a running back

 

[shadyridr]

Mccluster outside of return leagues is a nonfactor.

15.2 in ppr (without a TD) is low wr2 territory. And on a team likely to play from behind is pretty nice from a late teens/we pickup.

You expect a scat back to be putting up those numbers every week?I have been hearing about Mccluster since the beginning of the 2011 seasno, the curse of living in missouri.He is a kick returner... hes the #2 behind Arenas.Is 50 rec 100 attempts year (what I have him projected) startable in a 12 team league? Thats well below flex in my opinion, and knowing full well that he is their 5th receiving option 7th if you include backs.He is very much a less talented Sproles. On an offense much worse than sproles has ever been on, which makes him less not more valuable.

you realize hes not a RB anymore right? Hes a WR now. Its like you know nothing about him

 

[lukinrats]

..... I have a hard time understanding the argument here. He is nothing more than a WR4 in a PPR league. Maybe WR3 sometimes, but mostly WR4. So, that is a bench player for Bye weeks and injury fill in. I find it hard to knock the guy based on that. If I can replace an injury with a player that will get you 8 points as pretty much a given, and has very real upside for 15-20???????

I can't find a player on my WW that has that possible combination of consistency vs upside, to match my need for a great backup. Mccluster is that player. Just like Cobb. Rather have Cobb (yes) Will take MCcluster and be happy with it. (heck yes()

 

[Run It Up]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game.

What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR. He is a scatback/utility player, he can play most roles in the offense/special teams and some in the defense. He is the KC equivalent of Woodhead/Sproles/Spiller just not as talented as any of them.

“We’ve given Dexter reps at the wide receiver position in this new offense because we feel like he knows how to play running back and we can put him over at running back at any point in time,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said last week, “but we felt like he needed the work at wide receiver.

My link From early training camp this year.

 

[jdubs952]

..... I have a hard time understanding the argument here. He is nothing more than a WR4 in a PPR league. Maybe WR3 sometimes, but mostly WR4. So, that is a bench player for Bye weeks and injury fill in. I find it hard to knock the guy based on that. If I can replace an injury with a player that will get you 8 points as pretty much a given, and has very real upside for 15-20???????

Well, he's WR/RB eligible on Yahoo. We don't have deep benches, so he's valuable if he is going to see 10 targets a game and can be a solid bye week filler in a few weeks. His dual eligibility also allows for you to hold onto an extra lottery ticket player. I put a waiver claim in on him, so if i pick him up I can add a better TE2 or QB2 to my roster w/o having to drop someone like Jacquizz.

 

[lukinrats]

..... I have a hard time understanding the argument here. He is nothing more than a WR4 in a PPR league. Maybe WR3 sometimes, but mostly WR4. So, that is a bench player for Bye weeks and injury fill in. I find it hard to knock the guy based on that. If I can replace an injury with a player that will get you 8 points as pretty much a given, and has very real upside for 15-20???????

Well, he's WR/RB eligible on Yahoo. We don't have deep benches, so he's valuable if he is going to see 10 targets a game and can be a solid bye week filler in a few weeks. His dual eligibility also allows for you to hold onto an extra lottery ticket player. I put a waiver claim in on him, so if i pick him up I can add a better TE2 or QB2 to my roster w/o having to drop someone like Jacquizz.

Why are you quoting my post?? I am posting in favor of Mccluster. However, people are arguing against him like this thread is trying to say that he is the next welker. I was pointing out that no one is trying to roster the guy as a Starter. However, not a better bench player there seems to be right now

 

[jdubs952]

..... I have a hard time understanding the argument here. He is nothing more than a WR4 in a PPR league. Maybe WR3 sometimes, but mostly WR4. So, that is a bench player for Bye weeks and injury fill in. I find it hard to knock the guy based on that. If I can replace an injury with a player that will get you 8 points as pretty much a given, and has very real upside for 15-20???????

Well, he's WR/RB eligible on Yahoo. We don't have deep benches, so he's valuable if he is going to see 10 targets a game and can be a solid bye week filler in a few weeks. His dual eligibility also allows for you to hold onto an extra lottery ticket player. I put a waiver claim in on him, so if i pick him up I can add a better TE2 or QB2 to my roster w/o having to drop someone like Jacquizz.

Why are you quoting my post?? I am posting in favor of Mccluster. However, people are arguing against him like this thread is trying to say that he is the next welker. I was pointing out that no one is trying to roster the guy as a Starter. However, not a better bench player there seems to be right now

Hit wrong "quote" button. Deep breathes.

 

[lukinrats]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game.

What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR. He is a scatback/utility player, he can play most roles in the offense/special teams and some in the defense. He is the KC equivalent of Woodhead/Sproles/Spiller just not as talented as any of them.

“We’ve given Dexter reps at the wide receiver position in this new offense because we feel like he knows how to play running back and we can put him over at running back at any point in time,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said last week, “but we felt like he needed the work at wide receiver.

My link From early training camp this year.

Who said he was a WR? You referenced him in a sentence, and were knocking him based on the fact that he could not replace Jamaal Charles. He is more of a WR than he is a RB. That is all I will say. Not as talented as Woodhead??? Please! give me a break on that

 

[Run It Up]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game.

What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR. He is a scatback/utility player, he can play most roles in the offense/special teams and some in the defense. He is the KC equivalent of Woodhead/Sproles/Spiller just not as talented as any of them.

“We’ve given Dexter reps at the wide receiver position in this new offense because we feel like he knows how to play running back and we can put him over at running back at any point in time,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said last week, “but we felt like he needed the work at wide receiver.

My link From early training camp this year.

Who said he was a WR? You referenced him in a sentence, and were knocking him based on the fact that he could not replace Jamaal Charles. He is more of a WR than he is a RB. That is all I will say. Not as talented as Woodhead??? Please! give me a break on that

You were implying in your post that he was a wr... and the bolded section above - never happened.You can make arguments that cant be won either way all day, or you can look at the information available.

He has done nothing in two years - given plenty of opportunities. Then he had a good game.

His dual-designation doesnt change his value. I just dont see how this guy is rosterable in a 12 or less team league, I would have to be considerably selling him short for it to even be close.

And Woodheads college and professional career crush his... better measurables too, same height, 30 lbs weight advantage for Woodhead (who has a 4.33 40, as opposed to Mcclusters 4.58)

 

[Raider Nation]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?

He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.

If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

 

[Run It Up]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

Excellent contribution.

 

[lukinrats]

McCluster was in a perfect fantasy football situation last year when J. Charles when out for the season. He didn't do anything with his guaranteed 11-13 touches a game.

What make you think he will do better this year without guarantee touches or look?

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR. He is a scatback/utility player, he can play most roles in the offense/special teams and some in the defense. He is the KC equivalent of Woodhead/Sproles/Spiller just not as talented as any of them.

“We’ve given Dexter reps at the wide receiver position in this new offense because we feel like he knows how to play running back and we can put him over at running back at any point in time,” Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel said last week, “but we felt like he needed the work at wide receiver.

My link From early training camp this year.

Who said he was a WR? You referenced him in a sentence, and were knocking him based on the fact that he could not replace Jamaal Charles. He is more of a WR than he is a RB. That is all I will say. Not as talented as Woodhead??? Please! give me a break on that

You were implying in your post that he was a wr... and the bolded section above - never happened.You can make arguments that cant be won either way all day, or you can look at the information available.

He has done nothing in two years - given plenty of opportunities. Then he had a good game.

His dual-designation doesnt change his value. I just dont see how this guy is rosterable in a 12 or less team league, I would have to be considerably selling him short for it to even be close.

And Woodheads college and professional career crush his... better measurables too, same height, 30 lbs weight advantage for Woodhead (who has a 4.33 40, as opposed to Mcclusters 4.58)

Ok, your right, you win!!! Jesus, I mean, all I ever said is that he should make a good bench player, who you can rely on to come into your lineup, when you have an injury or bye weeks. That you could probably count on him to get you 8 points at the least, but that you have a very real possibility of getting more.

You would think that I said he would outscore Calvin Johnson.

I was just trying to have a nice discussion with some people that felt maybe the same way. However, I am done with this thread, because somehow my sentence from above brought comparisons to players from Woodhead, all the way up to Jamaal Charles. Never said anything about him outscoring any of those guys

 

[Raider Nation]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

Excellent contribution.

Glad I could help.

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR.

 

[Run It Up]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

Excellent contribution.

Glad I could help.

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR.

Does the minute he takes a carry make him a rb? Hes lined up as a WR in the past, his entire rookie year + half of his year that he was designated a RB, you probably hadnt heard - mostly because he was awful.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

Excellent contribution.

Glad I could help.

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR.

Does the minute he takes a carry make him a rb? Hes lined up as a WR in the past, his entire rookie year + half of his year that he was designated a RB, you probably hadnt heard - mostly because he was awful.

Fantasy-wise, every league I'm in lists him as a WR. Reality-wise, if you watch the game, nobody would call him a RB.If there are still fantasy hosts listing him as a RB, it's absurd. And keep up the condescension shtick. It's appealing.

 

[Run It Up]

It's tough to digest all of the slop above. Is someone seriously arguing that McCluster is not a WR this year?

He lined up wide or in the slot on every play. He led the team in targets. He got no carries.

If he's not a "WR" ... nobody is.

Excellent contribution.

Glad I could help.

He is not a running back

Hes also not a WR.

Does the minute he takes a carry make him a rb? Hes lined up as a WR in the past, his entire rookie year + half of his year that he was designated a RB, you probably hadnt heard - mostly because he was awful.

Fantasy-wise, every league I'm in lists him as a WR. Reality-wise, if you watch the game, nobody would call him a RB.If there are still fantasy hosts listing him as a RB, it's absurd. And keep up the condescension shtick. It's appealing.

And in the past when he played WR nobody would have called him a WR they would have called him a Special teamer. He struggled as a WR in the past because he is too small, he struggled as a RB because he isnt good.All 3 years hes been in the league ESPN has had him as a RB/WR. Call it what you want idgaf but he is utility player at the end of the day. It also adds absolutely nothing to this discussion talking about his designation when he has played both positions and returned kicks all 3 years - poorly.

 

[lukinrats]

It is pretty obvious by now that run it up HATES Mccluster. It sure is a shame that a discussion about the player has been derailed into a bashing. No matter what this one person thinks, it is very obvious that KC wants the guy to get the ball. I can't say yet whether that will give him a lot of value or a little. However, it would not be the first time that a new coaching staff, and particularly offensive coordinator is able to get something out of a player that the previous regime could not. Nor would it be the first time that a player has had lackluster performances in his first 2 seasons. I am more willing to believe what I am seeing with Mccluster than I am to believe some of the other WW options. The main thing is that it would appear to be consistant. It may not be much. 4-5 balls a week for 50 yards, or along those lines. However, I would love to have a consistant 10 point player on my bench. When I have those weeks where I play someone and it looks as though it could be tight and I really can't afford a goose egg.

Somehow the thread turned into something completely different that what it was intended to be. I don't really think it matters what his designation is. If its WR in your league, then play him there. If its RB, then I think your lucky. I am pretty sure it will change soon, but like I said, it really matters not

 

[Wombat x]

His role is different this year, he is no longer lining up in the back field. He is a slot receiver and Jim Zorn was quoted as saying he thinks 90 balls for him. (Link below). Yeah I would be skeptical of that too but in PPR he could be equivalent to an Amendola with upside for more if he really ends up hauling in 80-90 catches for 800+ yards.

He's easily rosterable in 12 team PPR. With bye weeks coming up he will probably end up starting in a lot of deeper leagues.

 

[Hoss Style]

*Edited*

I was agreeing with Raider - but saw follow up responses and decided to not carry it on.

It's obvious that that one guy is hell bent on saying McCluster's not a WR because of his positions in the past - which has absolutely nothing to do with this year. If it looks like a duck...

I think even if Dexter walked into a room holding a sign that said "I'm a Wide Receiver" it still wouldn't change his mind.

 

[Run It Up]

It is pretty obvious by now that run it up HATES Mccluster.

Lol, dont hide your boner or anything. You seem to take it pretty personally when your side of the argument has brought nothing to the discussion other than your observation of a single game and ignore every other factor.

His role is different this year, he is no longer lining up in the back field. He is a slot receiver and Jim Zorn was quoted as saying he thinks 90 balls for him. (Link below). Yeah I would be skeptical of that too but in PPR he could be equivalent to an Amendola with upside for more if he really ends up hauling in 80-90 catches for 800+ yards.

He's easily rosterable in 12 team PPR. With bye weeks coming up he will probably end up starting in a lot of deeper leagues

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9/4/3291931/jim-zorns-brain-picked

Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...

*Edited*

I was agreeing with Raider - but saw follow up responses and decided to not carry it on.

It's obvious that that one guy is hell bent on saying McCluster's not a WR because of his positions in the past - which has absolutely nothing to do with this year. If it looks like a duck...

I think even if Dexter walked into a room holding a sign that said "I'm a Wide Receiver" it still wouldn't change his mind.

Hellbent is an interesting way of putting it, since the entire time that exchange was going on I was arguing that his designation doesnt affect his value either way...

 

[koreansteve]

FWIW, ESPN now has him listed as a RB/WR. I believe they just updated this today.

 

[hotboyz]

RT SPORTS has him listed as a rb

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Per PFF, Dexter McCluster played more snaps (57) than Peyton Hillis (19), Jonathan Baldwin (21) and Steve Breaston (51). Certainly game situation helped but this is worth watching.

 

[ponchsox]

Yahoo also has him listed as a WR/RB. I think this gives him great value if he continues to be heavily involved in the passing game. A guy you can plug in at RB if you need to due to injuries and byes and get decent production.

 

[lukinrats]

It is pretty obvious by now that run it up HATES Mccluster.

Lol, dont hide your boner or anything. You seem to take it pretty personally when your side of the argument has brought nothing to the discussion other than your observation of a single game and ignore every other factor.

His role is different this year, he is no longer lining up in the back field. He is a slot receiver and Jim Zorn was quoted as saying he thinks 90 balls for him. (Link below). Yeah I would be skeptical of that too but in PPR he could be equivalent to an Amendola with upside for more if he really ends up hauling in 80-90 catches for 800+ yards.

He's easily rosterable in 12 team PPR. With bye weeks coming up he will probably end up starting in a lot of deeper leagues

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9/4/3291931/jim-zorns-brain-picked

Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...

*Edited*

I was agreeing with Raider - but saw follow up responses and decided to not carry it on.

It's obvious that that one guy is hell bent on saying McCluster's not a WR because of his positions in the past - which has absolutely nothing to do with this year. If it looks like a duck...

I think even if Dexter walked into a room holding a sign that said "I'm a Wide Receiver" it still wouldn't change his mind.

Hellbent is an interesting way of putting it, since the entire time that exchange was going on I was arguing that his designation doesnt affect his value either way...

Unbelievable! LMFAO!

 

[werdnoynek]

FWIW, ESPN now has him listed as a RB/WR. I believe they just updated this today.

finally... i guess all the complaints via email worked!!

 

[Ace08]

Absolutely no doubt in my mind he's an asset in PPR leagues going forward at this point. With dual position eligibility and a QB that loves to check down he's going to be a good bye week fill in as well as a spot start when your other RB's have tough match ups.

 

[solorca]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

 

[Run It Up]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

Finally some hindsight.

 

[flooredyas]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

Finally some hindsight.

At least it was more thought out than your post.Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...Opinion without anything to support it, to which I reply-We shall see. MY OPINION.

 

[Run It Up]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

Finally some hindsight.

At least it was more thought out than your post.

Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...

Opinion without anything to support it, to which I reply-We shall see. MY OPINION.

Its obviously my opinion... im not a wizard.Do you read entire threads? What are your projections based on? One game? Exactly... This entire back and forth started when I said that outside of return leagues he is a nonfactor which was immediately met with "He had 10 targets", brilliant. He has had over 10 targets zero times in his career. Hes had over 8 targets once, on sunday. In his 30 games played, he has been targetted more than 5 times in 7 games. Hes caught 65% of his 177 targets.

Most of his success or lack-thereof, last year came in the absence Jamaal Charles, posting 114 carries and almost 50 catches over 16 games (14.5 without Charles) most of which came out of the backfield. So now he is back to being primarily a receiver, whats changed besides experience? The offense got more targets, everyones healthy again. Chiefs WR4/RB6/KR2 in an offense that is now running 2 TEs making him what the 8th mouth to feed?

Primarily KR/WR - Rookie Season

Rece Rush Scor Kick Punt Rk G Date Age Tm Opp Result Rec Yds Y/R TD Att Yds Y/A TD TD Pts Rt Yds Y/Rt TD Ret Yds Y/R TD1 1 2010-09-13 21-019 KAN SDG W 21-14 2 9 4.50 0 1 0 0.00 0 1 6 0 0 0 3 100 33.33 12 2 2010-09-19 21-025 KAN CLE W 16-14 0 0 0 1 3 3.00 0 0 0 2 39 19.50 0 0 0 03 3 2010-09-26 21-032 KAN SFO W 31-10 3 69 23.00 1 2 -1 -0.50 0 1 6 1 17 17.00 0 3 42 14.00 04 4 2010-10-10 21-046 KAN IND L 9-19 2 15 7.50 0 1 3 3.00 0 0 0 6 141 23.50 0 0 0 05 5 2010-10-17 21-053 KAN HOU L 31-35 3 13 4.33 0 2 27 13.50 0 0 0 1 18 18.00 0 1 4 4.00 06 6 2010-10-24 21-060 KAN JAX W 42-20 5 41 8.20 0 4 28 7.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 07 12 2010-12-05 21-102 KAN DEN W 10-6 2 25 12.50 0 5 11 2.20 0 0 0 3 60 20.00 0 2 6 3.00 08 13 2010-12-12 21-109 KAN SDG L 0-31 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 62 20.67 0 1 11 11.00 09 14 2010-12-19 21-116 KAN STL W 27-13 1 7 7.00 0 1 -4 -4.00 0 0 0 4 62 15.50 0 3 39 13.00 010 15 2010-12-26 21-123 KAN TEN W 34-14 2 15 7.50 0 1 4 4.00 0 0 0 3 50 16.67 0 0 0 011 16 2011-01-02 21-130 KAN OAK L 10-31 1 15 15.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 78 26.00 0 0 0 0 11 Games 21 209 9.95 1 18 71 3.94 0 2 12 26 527 20.27 0 13 202 15.54 1Primarily RB/WR - Reduced Role in ST

                                           Rush              Rece              Scor     Kick              Punt             Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Att Yds   Y/A TD  Rec Yds   Y/R TD   TD Pts   Rt Yds  Y/Rt TD  Ret Yds   Y/R TD1     1 2011-09-11 22-017 KAN  BUF  L 7-41    4  42 10.50  0    5  25  5.00  0    0   0    4  92 23.00  0    0   0        02     2 2011-09-18 22-024 KAN  DET  L 3-48    8  51  6.38  0    4  -2 -0.50  0    0   0    3  69 23.00  0    0   0        03     3 2011-09-25 22-031 KAN  SDG L 17-20    9  45  5.00  0    5  17  3.40  0    0   0    1  29 29.00  0    0   0        04     4 2011-10-02 22-038 KAN  MIN W 22-17    7  26  3.71  0    3  12  4.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        05     5 2011-10-09 22-045 KAN  IND W 28-24    4   8  2.00  0    1  10 10.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        06     6 2011-10-23 22-059 KAN  OAK  W 28-0   10  38  3.80  0    1  -3 -3.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        07     7 2011-10-31 22-067 KAN  SDG W 23-20    6   0  0.00  0    3  28  9.33  0    0   0    5 137 27.40  0    1   6  6.00  08     8 2011-11-06 22-073 KAN  MIA  L 3-31    7  36  5.14  0    1   8  8.00  0    0   0    3  53 17.67  0    2  30 15.00  09     9 2011-11-13 22-080 KAN  DEN L 10-17    8  45  5.63  0    6  48  8.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        010   10 2011-11-21 22-088 KAN  NWE  L 3-34    9  45  5.00  0    1   3  3.00  0    0   0    1  18 18.00  0    0   0        011   11 2011-11-27 22-094 KAN  PIT  L 9-13    9  28  3.11  0    2  11  5.50  0    0   0    0   0        0    1   7  7.00  012   12 2011-12-04 22-101 KAN  CHI  W 10-3    9  61  6.78  0    4  46 11.50  1    1   6    1  23 23.00  0    0   0        013   13 2011-12-11 22-108 KAN  NYJ L 10-37    4   1  0.25  0    0   0        0    0   0    5  89 17.80  0    1   4  4.00  014   14 2011-12-18 22-115 KAN  GNB W 19-14    5  14  2.80  0    2  11  5.50  0    0   0    1  22 22.00  0    0   0        015   15 2011-12-24 22-121 KAN  OAK L 13-16    3  15  5.00  0    5  89 17.80  0    0   0    1  25 25.00  0    0   0        016   16 2012-01-01 22-129 KAN  DEN   W 7-3   12  61  5.08  1    3  25  8.33  0    1   6    0   0        0    1  18 18.00  0          16 Games                          114 516  4.53  1   46 328  7.13  1    2  12   25 557 22.28  0    6  65 10.83  0

Im indeed very skeptical of that number. But if they throw the ball at him 10 times a game with a 65% catch rate its possible that he finishes with 90 receptions.The chances of that happening imo are very, very slim.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

Finally some hindsight.

At least it was more thought out than your post.

Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...

Opinion without anything to support it, to which I reply-We shall see. MY OPINION.

Its obviously my opinion... im not a wizard.Do you read entire threads? What are your projections based on? One game? Exactly... This entire back and forth started when I said that outside of return leagues he is a nonfactor which was immediately met with "He had 10 targets", brilliant. He has had over 10 targets zero times in his career. Hes had over 8 targets once, on sunday.Most of his success or lack-thereof, last year came in the absence Jamaal Charles, posting 114 carries and almost 50 catches over 16 games (14.5 without Charles) most of which came out of the backfield. So now he is back to being primarily a receiver, whats changed besides experience? The offense got more targets, everyones healthy again. Chiefs WR4/RB6/KR2 in an offense that is now running 2 TEs making him what the 8th mouth to feed? Primarily KR/WR

                                           Rece              Rush              Scor     Kick              Punt             Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Rec Yds   Y/R TD  Att Yds   Y/A TD   TD Pts   Rt Yds  Y/Rt TD  Ret Yds   Y/R TD1     1 2010-09-13 21-019 KAN  SDG W 21-14    2   9  4.50  0    1   0  0.00  0    1   6    0   0        0    3 100 33.33  12     2 2010-09-19 21-025 KAN  CLE W 16-14    0   0        0    1   3  3.00  0    0   0    2  39 19.50  0    0   0        03     3 2010-09-26 21-032 KAN  SFO W 31-10    3  69 23.00  1    2  -1 -0.50  0    1   6    1  17 17.00  0    3  42 14.00  04     4 2010-10-10 21-046 KAN  IND  L 9-19    2  15  7.50  0    1   3  3.00  0    0   0    6 141 23.50  0    0   0        05     5 2010-10-17 21-053 KAN  HOU L 31-35    3  13  4.33  0    2  27 13.50  0    0   0    1  18 18.00  0    1   4  4.00  06     6 2010-10-24 21-060 KAN  JAX W 42-20    5  41  8.20  0    4  28  7.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        07    12 2010-12-05 21-102 KAN  DEN  W 10-6    2  25 12.50  0    5  11  2.20  0    0   0    3  60 20.00  0    2   6  3.00  08    13 2010-12-12 21-109 KAN  SDG  L 0-31    0   0        0    0   0        0    0   0    3  62 20.67  0    1  11 11.00  09    14 2010-12-19 21-116 KAN  STL W 27-13    1   7  7.00  0    1  -4 -4.00  0    0   0    4  62 15.50  0    3  39 13.00  010   15 2010-12-26 21-123 KAN  TEN W 34-14    2  15  7.50  0    1   4  4.00  0    0   0    3  50 16.67  0    0   0        011   16 2011-01-02 21-130 KAN  OAK L 10-31    1  15 15.00  0    0   0        0    0   0    3  78 26.00  0    0   0        0          11 Games                           21 209  9.95  1   18  71  3.94  0    2  12   26 527 20.27  0   13 202 15.54  1

Primarily RB/WR - Reduced Role in ST

                                           Rush              Rece              Scor     Kick              Punt             Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Att Yds   Y/A TD  Rec Yds   Y/R TD   TD Pts   Rt Yds  Y/Rt TD  Ret Yds   Y/R TD1     1 2011-09-11 22-017 KAN  BUF  L 7-41    4  42 10.50  0    5  25  5.00  0    0   0    4  92 23.00  0    0   0        02     2 2011-09-18 22-024 KAN  DET  L 3-48    8  51  6.38  0    4  -2 -0.50  0    0   0    3  69 23.00  0    0   0        03     3 2011-09-25 22-031 KAN  SDG L 17-20    9  45  5.00  0    5  17  3.40  0    0   0    1  29 29.00  0    0   0        04     4 2011-10-02 22-038 KAN  MIN W 22-17    7  26  3.71  0    3  12  4.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        05     5 2011-10-09 22-045 KAN  IND W 28-24    4   8  2.00  0    1  10 10.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        06     6 2011-10-23 22-059 KAN  OAK  W 28-0   10  38  3.80  0    1  -3 -3.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        07     7 2011-10-31 22-067 KAN  SDG W 23-20    6   0  0.00  0    3  28  9.33  0    0   0    5 137 27.40  0    1   6  6.00  08     8 2011-11-06 22-073 KAN  MIA  L 3-31    7  36  5.14  0    1   8  8.00  0    0   0    3  53 17.67  0    2  30 15.00  09     9 2011-11-13 22-080 KAN  DEN L 10-17    8  45  5.63  0    6  48  8.00  0    0   0    0   0        0    0   0        010   10 2011-11-21 22-088 KAN  NWE  L 3-34    9  45  5.00  0    1   3  3.00  0    0   0    1  18 18.00  0    0   0        011   11 2011-11-27 22-094 KAN  PIT  L 9-13    9  28  3.11  0    2  11  5.50  0    0   0    0   0        0    1   7  7.00  012   12 2011-12-04 22-101 KAN  CHI  W 10-3    9  61  6.78  0    4  46 11.50  1    1   6    1  23 23.00  0    0   0        013   13 2011-12-11 22-108 KAN  NYJ L 10-37    4   1  0.25  0    0   0        0    0   0    5  89 17.80  0    1   4  4.00  014   14 2011-12-18 22-115 KAN  GNB W 19-14    5  14  2.80  0    2  11  5.50  0    0   0    1  22 22.00  0    0   0        015   15 2011-12-24 22-121 KAN  OAK L 13-16    3  15  5.00  0    5  89 17.80  0    0   0    1  25 25.00  0    0   0        016   16 2012-01-01 22-129 KAN  DEN   W 7-3   12  61  5.08  1    3  25  8.33  0    1   6    0   0        0    1  18 18.00  0          16 Games                          114 516  4.53  1   46 328  7.13  1    2  12   25 557 22.28  0    6  65 10.83  0

Well snap numbers, all at WR no less, have changed.

 

[Kenny Powers]

He doesn't have dual position eligibility in MFL (he's listed as a WR), but I still think he's a decent pickup. With that said, this will be the third year in a row that I've bought into the hype and have taken a shot on him, so I'll need to see two straight games of solid production from him (something that I can't recall him ever doing) before I am a believer. Regardless, I dropped Russell Wilson as my third QB to take a shot.

Finally some hindsight.

At least it was more thought out than your post.

Read the article, I am indeed very skeptical he approaches that number. Game 1 suggests that it is at the very least a possibility, but when he puts up a <5 pt game week 2 I dont expect this thread to see any action then...

Opinion without anything to support it, to which I reply-We shall see. MY OPINION.

Its obviously my opinion... im not a wizard.Do you read entire threads? What are your projections based on? One game? Exactly... This entire back and forth started when I said that outside of return leagues he is a nonfactor which was immediately met with "He had 10 targets", brilliant. He has had over 10 targets zero times in his career. Hes had over 8 targets once, on sunday. In his 30 games played, he has been targetted more than 5 times in 7 games. Hes caught 65% of his 177 targets.

You might want to give this a few weeks before you throw out a stat like that based on history. It could become a trend quick enough. Obviously not double digits every game, but if he averages 8 targets a game, considering the type of high % targets theyd be, that could go a long way.

 

[Drop]

First of all I have only heard praise for his work ethic ever since he came into the league. I think that even though he struggled somewhat in his first 2 seasons that it should have an overall positive effect on him, because when you work as hard as you can year after year you tend to get better. In real life teammates respect that and it usually translates into opportunity via trust. It's not like he hasn't shown flashes of playmaking ability in his pro career. Now he is a veteran and has the reps at WR to be primed to perform in theory.

I would like to reiterate that I have heard him singled out for his work ethic on various occasions and it's worth noting in my mind. At first when he was in college he was a poon hound, chasing tail. Then he almost died in a car crash and his life changed. Now he's all about Jesus and football. Guys that are 5-8 170lbs who go from being a workhorse SEC RB to NFL WR are rare, and he's not washing out, his role is expanding apparently. He has his mind right.

So in terms of fantasy value he can bring something to the table, but what is a reasonable estimate for his upside ceiling? I think that the great Sigmund Bloom made an important point about Cassel's checkdown tendencies. High target and snap count numbers are good indicators of consistent opportunity moving forward in his case. The real question for me is how good are his hands. Wes Welker has great hands (caught 71% of his targets last season.) I do feel strongly that WRs are largely a function of their QBs and offensive philosophies, but if you show great hands even the worst QBs are going to keeping trying to feed you. So temper expectations due to the QB/philosophy of the team, but if he's catching a high percentage of those short targets it should bode well for his open field playmaking ability to show up. That is the upside that you need to quantify. If he can continue to get the targets to not kill you with horrible fantasy weeks you can use his WR/RB versatility to fill in and possibly reap the benefits of him hitting some big plays. One thing that can really elevate his fantasy value is if Cassel has an eye for him in the redzone. He is not a prototypical redzone target and he plays with Bowe, Baldwin, and Moeaki who are, and the Cheifs run the ball too so expectations for redzone TD production hinge largely on his rapport with Cassel and that should be watched very closely. The doubters will say that the deck is stacked against him and the optimists will hope they are wrong, but the truth is that we don't yet know what Cassel will do or if the Cheifs take Dexter out in favor of different sub packages and with what frequency. It's a case by case thing, I don't think there is enough data yet to answer the redzone issue. Although I am a big McCluster fan, I do not expect the TD consistency being there. He will have to be a volume catch/yardage play.

All the RB carries will be a bonus, I think his turning the corner as a fantasy player depends on him establishing a consistent floor with steady catch and yardage numbers and if the long plays and TDs come he'll be startable and likely translate into money if you have a roster that he is able to compliment. There are some fantasy rosters that he just won't crack honestly, but there are some where his position eligiblity can be exploited. Right now he is obviously a gamble, but given what I think of him as a person and as a player in that slot possession role he is the type of guy I don't mind gambling on by using up a bench spot to wait and see how his fantasy value evolves.

One last thing that I will add is that he seemingly plays much faster than his 40 time suggests: http://youtu.be/B76nh3VOChc

 

[Shutout]

Mccluster outside of return leagues is a nonfactor.

15.2 in ppr (without a TD) is low wr2 territory. And on a team likely to play from behind is pretty nice from a late teens/we pickup.

I think consistency is going to be a major problem for McCluster. There's too many mouths to feed and not enough offense to feed it. I could be wrong though and the Chiefs may be planning on making him a focal point in the passing game instead of developing Baldwin.

I agree and think this will be the case also. Also, I don't know this because I didn't follow the game clsoely, but I wonder how much of that production was when the chiefs were running a catch-up, no huddle shotgun formation? Late in the game, I watched one series where he got some work and it was all in that catch-up mode and they were just taking little chunks. I'm not sure that is indicative, as a whole, of what will happen in most games if the Chiefs are in these games. Looking at Hillis' really low numbers, I would have to think they would run it more.

 

[Quibbler]

I agree and think this will be the case also. Also, I don't know this because I didn't follow the game clsoely, but I wonder how much of that production was when the chiefs were running a catch-up, no huddle shotgun formation? Late in the game, I watched one series where he got some work and it was all in that catch-up mode and they were just taking little chunks. I'm not sure that is indicative, as a whole, of what will happen in most games if the Chiefs are in these games. Looking at Hillis' really low numbers, I would have to think they would run it more.

Not much, according to the accounts of the game that I read. Most of his targets came early on when the game was still competitive.

 

[kingmalaki]

Someone in my league just dropped Hillis for him. No PPR.

 

[We Tigers]

I agree and think this will be the case also. Also, I don't know this because I didn't follow the game clsoely, but I wonder how much of that production was when the chiefs were running a catch-up, no huddle shotgun formation? Late in the game, I watched one series where he got some work and it was all in that catch-up mode and they were just taking little chunks. I'm not sure that is indicative, as a whole, of what will happen in most games if the Chiefs are in these games. Looking at Hillis' really low numbers, I would have to think they would run it more.

Not much, according to the accounts of the game that I read. Most of his targets came early on when the game was still competitive.

That's correct. Go check the play by play at any site--I like CBS's format best, but any will do. His targets and snaps were distributed evenly all game. Now, Atlanta is definitely an up-tempo team with whom KC was trying to keep pace, but I think that's the NFL now. I would figure he'll be good for 5+ targets a game, easy, with obvious 8-10 target and big play upside, too. Exactly the kind of guy I want to be flexing weeks 4-11 if I can't fill the spot with a stud.

 

[lukinrats]

1st catch - 2nd Qtr - Atl 10 - KC 3 - 2nd and 18 at KC 44 (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short right to D.McCluster to ATL 47 for 9 yards (A.Samuel).

2nd catch - 2nd Qtr - Atl 17 - KC 10 - 3rd and 4 at ATL 28 (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to D.McCluster pushed ob at ATL 19 for 9 yards (B.Grimes).

3rd catch - 3rd Qtr - Atl 20 - KC 17 - 2nd and 9 at KC 33 (No Huddle) M.Cassel pass short middle to D.McCluster to ATL 46 for 21 yards (T.DeCoud; S.Nicholas).

4th catch (same Drive)3rd Qtr - 2nd and 7 at ATL 43 (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle to D.McCluster to ATL 28 for 15 yards (S.Weatherspoon).

So, before Atlanta jumped to a good lead, and the game was close, he had the 4 catches for 54 yards. After this point, Cassel has a fumble @ the beginning of the next drive, then they get the ball back, down by 17. This is where Mccluster gets his 5th catch, so there was still SOME hope.

5th catch - 3rd Qtr - Atl 34 - KC 17 - (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle to D.McCluster to KC 31 for 15 yards (D.Robinson). (I don't really classify this one as junk time)

Then Cassel throws and interception on the next 2 drives before they could ever get started.

6th catch - 4th Qtr - Atl 40 - KC 17 - (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short middle to D.McCluster to KC 38 for 13 yards (T.DeCoud).

So, when I look at it, he was involved early, and only had the one catch in what could be considered junk time. That makes me want to add the guy, and see if he can keep it going.

 

[hotboyz]

In my league he is listed as a RB I'm def gonna add him If he gets 8 targets a game at a 60%catch rate you looking at almost 80 catches hey can't argue with that factor in his open field running ability he could be a poor mans Wes Welker

 

[lukinrats]

In my league he is listed as a RB I'm def gonna add him If he gets 8 targets a game at a 60%catch rate you looking at almost 80 catches hey can't argue with that factor in his open field running ability he could be a poor mans Wes Welker

I think that 80 catches might be a little high. However, if he can catch 60-65, then he is way worth a spot on my bench in a ppr league

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Chiefs OC Doug Pederson is "determined" to incorporate Dexter McCluster into a significant 2013 offensive role.
McCluster will definitely return punts, but Pederson wants to use him to create mismatches on offense. "He’s a guy we can put in multiple spots," Pederson said. "He’s a hard worker, a tough kid. We used him (Saturday) as an inside receiver, he was outside, and he had some opportunities to make plays. The NFL is all about matchups, and if we can use him in that way, we will."

Source: Kansas City Star

 

[IVNACATES]

Old topic, but why start a new one. Heard a couple places that Reid plans on finding ways to get him the ball, and this site's outlook says "Andy Reid's offense and Alex Smith's accuracy could lead to big things." He has my interest for a late flier, but I have not seen any KC pre-season, and was curious for some homer insight if we could get any. I was under impression he was WR3 on his own team, but hearing Harvin-esk references on his use this year.

My projections, based on passed performance, and Reid's influence, are 16/112/1 45/540/3 non-ppr, that's 89 points which would put him in WR50+ range. If I am underestimating his role in the new offense, he moves into the must roster range.

 

[Bri]

I think he becomes a RB if Charles gets hurt

 

[IVNACATES]

Bri, what makes you think so. Everything I've read on Davis seems to point to them being more than satisfied with him as the RB2. I understand he has an injury history, but that doesn't make him unique. Also, IMO, they are really thin at WR after Bowe, and taking McCluster out of mix would make it that much worse. That being said, I do see him getting a run or two on a weekly basis (see projections).

 

[az_prof]

Bri, what makes you think so. Everything I've read on Davis seems to point to them being more than satisfied with him as the RB2. I understand he has an injury history, but that doesn't make him unique. Also, IMO, they are really thin at WR after Bowe, and taking McCluster out of mix would make it that much worse. That being said, I do see him getting a run or two on a weekly basis (see projections).

Avery will get his share of targets.

 

[bonesman]

Bri, what makes you think so. Everything I've read on Davis seems to point to them being more than satisfied with him as the RB2. I understand he has an injury history, but that doesn't make him unique. Also, IMO, they are really thin at WR after Bowe, and taking McCluster out of mix would make it that much worse. That being said, I do see him getting a run or two on a weekly basis (see projections).

Avery will get his share of targets.

Hopefully he does more with them than he did last year.