voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Totally agree with your logic but this is what makes me think he's getting suspended for drugs. Then it makes some sense if not much.
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tone1oc
Footballguy
I agree that Eagles got a talented guy for basically nothing, so it's really hard for them to lose. I don't fault them for trying, but reading the tea leaves I think DGB is just really bad at football. One other point to that end- they have hung on to Justin Hunter, an uber talented former early 2nd round WR who had consistency and discipline problems for years now. They must think that he's not even a Justin Hunter, who probably flashed more promise his rookie year. But again, for the Eagles you are getting the free roll of the dice.
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destro
Footballguy
Yeah, I almost wrote in my original post that the only way this move is acceptable is if the Titans know that he hit a woman or something. Getting pinched for drugs would do the trick as well.
But, honestly, though, how long could he be suspended for a first offense in the NFL? Even if he gets hit for 4 games, the Eagles basically got a rare physical talent at WR for free. Unless there's something big we don't know about, this whole thing looks terrible on the Titans, while the Eagles are freerolling with an outside chance of hitting big.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
You missed the breaking and entering and subsequently assaulting an 18 year old girl, where charges were dropped because witnesses were afraid to testify.
Eagles scrubbing The Prodigy from their playlist as we speak.
Two "buts" here-
But like I said, after last season he held high value. Mularkey's negativity is the only thing that wrecked his value. As the afternoon has wore on I have seen several well exaggerated comments so please let me mention them here. "Slightly overweight want to get faster" was his opinion of himself when he showed up. That is not Santa Claus showing up to the weight room. Not putting enough effort in- that's exaggerated too, Mularkey said a few times how he stays late often but Mularkey's point was to stay even later. He has been reported meeting with Andre and Douglas and asst coach Tucker. It was, like I stated, just that he's a slow learner. Whisenhunt said last year, a few times, that Stoops pegged DGB perfectly and discussed this. They knew it. So for me, as I said above, get him a tutor/coach then.
Tajae hasn't received this yet, you are correct. When someone writes "they always do this" you know as well as anyone that they are talking about the past moreso than the current, but I'll play along. Tajae hasn't gotten it yet, you are correct. The shameful part is this was absolutely a Whisenhunt thing. Not only did it upset the current players but their veterans that always returned too. They would eventually stop attending TC due to Whis.
How has Kendall Wright done since MularkeyWhis came to town?
Did the negativity help develop Sankey? Cobb?
Lewan's first game he played RG and his second game he played RT. I think his fourth he played LG and sixth LT. He has quite literally gotten worse under Whis and Mularkey (until last game)
Poutasi is about to be cut, it'll happen. He was the only turnstyle in week 1. How has his development gone?
Jared Cook, Kenny Britt, Chris Sanders, Tyrone Calico...the Titans have a horrible history of highly drafted WRs and developmental projects even before Whis.
Hunter was the second coming of something and not all unlike DGB. My issue with them is a considerable one with him. I absolutely do think he will do well when he is cut. I have never seen a player respond so perfectly to every single thing they asked. Whis complained of study habits and when they returned last summer, he knew all three spots. He and TZ were the only ones to master it between minicamp and TC. He got criticized for efforts on deep roues and then for running too fast and the back to effort in the 4th Q. Having a WR run deep for "every other" run play with zero hope of him catching the ball is stupid, but he did it and to call him "too fast" is to criticize the effort. Sometime in the middle of the season, I think every NFL WR would give a half @ effort in the fourth Q if they ran 40 deep routes in the previous 3Qs and never got a target. How about using the ridiculous talent to catch a ball coach? Now he didn't look good in the slot and maybe shouldn't have at 6-4. He stayed late with Shawn Jefferson and actually looked odd but he figured it out in 2015 and had a few catches from the slot. Big guys making a couple sudden cuts look like bad dancers not WRs but kudos to him for making it work. Antonio's rookie year was when everyone realized he was Mr Kentucky and a state champion HS QB. Those videos were Antonio throwing a nice throw to Hunter at the sideline, over and over and over because Whis felt like if he leaped he never got his feet in. Now this happened about as often as it does with any WR, but there was Justin finding someone to throw and working on it. Mularkey met with him to tell him he had all the talent in the world but needed to produce and come ready to play- he showed up best shape of career and ran hills like Rice. They put JAG on his back and he led the NFL in some preseason receiving stats. He has been nothing but perfectly responsive. This summer he's running with the 3rd and fourth string. He got one pass they claim was thrown his way in week one.The ball was 20-30 yards past him, he tripped at the LOS over the CB's legs. Mularkey called him out in the presser. Let me tell ya he is wicked fast for a big man but there was no way Carl Lewis was catching that ball even if there wasn't a trip. Ridiculous to use that as a reason to criticize. They've had 6 or 7 camp practices that fans can attend. You can see videos and tweets of how excellent he is doing. Radio hosts saying "he makes it look so easy" is not just anyone commenting too. One day stands out to me. National reporters pointed out he had 10 catches in OTAs and literally caught everything. Robiske called a deep pass, he dove and it hit his hands at the end of the dive and he didn't catch it. They called it an awesome effort. Mularkey called it a drop because it hit his hands. Mularkey said the other catches don't matter, must be consistent. There's a sweet picture of him reaching backwards over the CB and grabbing a ball one-handed. Not a peep from Mularkey that day. Now let's go back to his rookie year. He was "wet behind the ears" and about only put in for his awesome high point ability. He was going in for red zone plays or bombs and that's about it. He did very well for precious few plays. Ever since they claim he doesn't give enough effort high pointing the ball. They got handed an awesome leaper/catcher type and somehow messed it up. Long winded but Hunter should be exactly what coaches want. State an issue, put the work in, fix it. That has to be enough! It's gotta be the way the team "works" and the whole aspect of coaching.
Antonio Andrews- Whis called him the hardest worker his first camp and he made the PS as a UDFA but he did better than other RBs in preseason. He'd eventually return kicks and do OK. Year two he became the "yes coach" guy and almost literally did everything possible. He was a backup FB, backup slot WR, backup long snapper, fifth string QB, KR, PR and RB. They loved his effort and ability to learn and he'd win the starting RB job. A military brat, they'd use that to promote the team with pics of his father and all. This year he might be cut. He's not allowed to do the other things. Why? Is it not useful to have a guy like that around? I saw a guy running hard in week one and even making ST plays. He is finding a way. Watch them cut him.
Mularkey has stressed blocking and the importance of WRs blocking in the run game. Who had the best block in week one? yyyyyyyyeah
Now again Mularkey's negativity is the only thing that changed the outside perception to wreck DGBs value.
Hunter is overdue to be cut unless somehow they breathe new life into him and he replaces DGB now.
Let me throw this back at you- have there ever been two WRs as talented as Hunter and DGB to be let go from one team in the same offseason?
massraider
Footballguy
Yep, blame the head coach because the guy who was a bonehead going back to high school couldn't work it out once he had no one telling him what to do.
Hard to believe money and no structure aren't a recipe to turn it around.
Hard to believe money and no structure aren't a recipe to turn it around.
If it was one young player that would totally fit. When it's 8 or so that changes things
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Garbage...next.
massraider
Footballguy
As always, I'm never quite sure what you mean.
But Mularkey not being Bill Walsh doesn't mean DGB isn't responsible for himself.
Show me a bad coach, I'll show you a young player that excelled despite their presence.
Someone yelling out 'Mularkey!' with nothing to explain exactly how he hurt DGB's career smells an awful lot like making excuses for a druggie woman beater with no work ethic.
Warrior
Footballguy
High reward? I'd say it's more likely a low risk/no reward move that PHI made. DGB is most likely going to be cut shortly when Philly sees what they traded for.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
About a month ago I moved Dgb for Michael Floyd, and argued extensively in a "when to trade players" thread about that decision. I highly doubt you could get "similarly valued" players like dorsett or anyone else right now. Unless your league uses swing olineman...the writing was there a month ago to sell.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The guy who said to flip DGB for Lockett is nuts, not a single Lockett owner was making that deal even before this happened.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
sure DGB could turn it around
so could Johnny Manziel I guess
so could Johnny Manziel I guess
No, because all of his owners are still curled into a fetal position and sobbing uncontrollably.
msommer
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Perhaps you only meant backups, though mcnabb was probably going to backup kolb that year if they didn't move him.
Reid probably picked up that strategy from Ron Wolf in Green Bay. He got some nice picks for hasselbeck and Aaron brooks. Didn't hold on to Kurt Warner long enough for that.
Reid probably picked up that strategy from Ron Wolf in Green Bay. He got some nice picks for hasselbeck and Aaron brooks. Didn't hold on to Kurt Warner long enough for that.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
As I dynasty owner who also owned CMike, this feels like a repeat from last year.
I need to stop drafting physical specimens who have major red flags attached to effort, aptitude and fundamentals. That said, just like I did last year when Michael went to Dallas, I'll hold out hope on the slim chance that he clicks in a new environment with a clean slate.
Maybe the Titans coaching staff is correct in their assessments, but I also think they've crushed him so far into the ground that he probably started to feel buried. How many players to you see get trashed in the media every day? The coach publicly pulled his pants down daily. Deserved or not, that's not a technique that every player responds well to.
I need to stop drafting physical specimens who have major red flags attached to effort, aptitude and fundamentals. That said, just like I did last year when Michael went to Dallas, I'll hold out hope on the slim chance that he clicks in a new environment with a clean slate.
Maybe the Titans coaching staff is correct in their assessments, but I also think they've crushed him so far into the ground that he probably started to feel buried. How many players to you see get trashed in the media every day? The coach publicly pulled his pants down daily. Deserved or not, that's not a technique that every player responds well to.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
destro
Footballguy
I guess I need to start putting out lowball offers to DGB owners, because a lot of people in this thread are severely overreacting to this news in regards to his value. He may very well still end up being a bust, but it's far too early to write this guy off after one season without some severe off the field issues.
Two months ago, before Mularkey decided to tell everyone who would listen that this guy is "inconsistent," and then his subsequent trade, no one was calling him "garbage," or comparing him to Manziel or Jon Baldwin. There is not nearly enough information available to make a call like that. Mularkey's opinion is highly questionable, anyways, imo. NFL teams can and often do make terrible trades. I understand people being concerned and dropping him down on their dynasty boards, but the overall climate of this thread regarding his value is really far on the knee-jerk, hyperbolic end of the spectrum.
Then again, this is the SP, so...
Two months ago, before Mularkey decided to tell everyone who would listen that this guy is "inconsistent," and then his subsequent trade, no one was calling him "garbage," or comparing him to Manziel or Jon Baldwin. There is not nearly enough information available to make a call like that. Mularkey's opinion is highly questionable, anyways, imo. NFL teams can and often do make terrible trades. I understand people being concerned and dropping him down on their dynasty boards, but the overall climate of this thread regarding his value is really far on the knee-jerk, hyperbolic end of the spectrum.
Then again, this is the SP, so...
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You know how we all say that pedigree is the single biggest predictor of opportunity and success? Well giving up on that pedigree after 14 months is equally as telling, don't you think? Doesn't mean it's 100%, but it's an enormous red flag that you can't ignore just because this all happened so fast.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Wouldn't a better HC put some structure around him to help? The Cowboys essentially had someone babysitting Dez to keep him out of trouble. As Bri said, maybe they could have provided a better support system to maximize their return.
massraider
Footballguy
Mike Mularkey isn't even the final word on this, everyone knows that, right? It's not like the WR coach and the GM came into work today, and Mularkey the Dolt had traded away a valuable asset for some magic beans.
Are people writing him off too soon?
Well, if they are, sure. He's young, talented, and tall. Older players than him have turned it around. The final word on him has not been written.
But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't recognize exactly how bad this is.
Chances are, Robinson looked around the coaches room, and asked if anyone thought they could salvage something for him. Chances are, no one thought he could even make the Titans. The Titans!
He has gone backwards, apparently regressed from last year in terms of conditioning and effort.
That's all very, very bad. The 2nd year is supposed to be when they know what's gong on, what to expect, and really develop.
People are hanging onto this guy because of high school hype. Amazing, really.
massraider
Footballguy
Maybe they did.
Maybe it didn't work.
The Cowboys have one Dez, and about half a dozen other complete train wrecks in terms of character.
The team can only control so much.
Put another way:
When is DGB responsible for himself? At what age? At what point?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Amazing to see a team give up on the 40th overall pick from last year's draft. 16 months later, you dump a guy you selected a few picks after the 1st round. 32-549 and 4 TDs isn't a bad rookie year.
I think Bri is on point for the Titans. Their history of developing/drafting skilled positions is absolute trash since 2009. In those 8 drafts, aside from Mariota (jury still out on him, should be OK), they spent 3 1st rounders, 3 2nd rounders, 2 3rd round, 2 4th rounders, 3 5ths, 3 6ths and 2 7th rounders on QBs, RBs and WRs. Only Kendall Wright has done much of anything and he certainly isn't lighting it up with 1100 total yards receiving in the past 2 years.
Sure, you don't expect a lot from 10 4th through 7th round picks, maybe a couple hits, but geez, all you get Kendall Wright with 3 1sts, 3 2nds and 2 3rds? That's just horrific. Not all on the current coach/GM of course, but man that's just bad.
I think Bri is on point for the Titans. Their history of developing/drafting skilled positions is absolute trash since 2009. In those 8 drafts, aside from Mariota (jury still out on him, should be OK), they spent 3 1st rounders, 3 2nd rounders, 2 3rd round, 2 4th rounders, 3 5ths, 3 6ths and 2 7th rounders on QBs, RBs and WRs. Only Kendall Wright has done much of anything and he certainly isn't lighting it up with 1100 total yards receiving in the past 2 years.
Sure, you don't expect a lot from 10 4th through 7th round picks, maybe a couple hits, but geez, all you get Kendall Wright with 3 1sts, 3 2nds and 2 3rds? That's just horrific. Not all on the current coach/GM of course, but man that's just bad.
cstu
Footballguy
You continue to point out that you don't know much of anything of DGB, just the occasional blurb and use that to reply to everyone.
He never got in one ounce of trouble with the Titans. He absolutely does not have a character flaw that the Titans have discussed. You're just reading blurbs from college and projecting. The guy never did a thing wrong. On the radio today he was called a fine young man and an impressive young man.
Wyatt discussed his desire to please.
Mularkey said it's not clicking with the coaching. He mentioned how earlier DGB was staying late but it wasn't enough, so he's staying even later and it still isn't working. He's not picking things up fast enough
They changed his WR coach. I'd rather DGB than coach Brat.
I've stated many times that he is a slow learner. That is on him, but you want that to be comparable to negative things and it simply isn't.
Did you see his tweet? See the players comments wishing him well? You've got this guy all wrong.
When a team drafts a slow learner they can't be surprised he is. Last season, he was at about the same point as he is now with the offense. He came along just fine then.
The other point you're completely ignoring is his value.
One of the better rookie WRs last season in terms of production. If Mularkey shuts his yap, DGB can fetch something decent in return. This is not on DGB. He can't tell the coach to shush. Mularkey talked his way into crushing the trade value of DGB
Threw up in my mouth a little when reporters were tweeting that Harry Douglas was replacing DGB.
Thank God Hunter made some plays and even bumped Sharpe and McBride to the slot for a bit.
If there is such a thing as the biggest practice ever for Hunter, that was it.
An Eagles friend of mine is literally bombarding me with emails and texts of the same five seconds of radio from today where the Eagles host said he wasn't sure Kelly could beat out Poutasi. Grimm better make something out of Kelly
Thank God Hunter made some plays and even bumped Sharpe and McBride to the slot for a bit.
If there is such a thing as the biggest practice ever for Hunter, that was it.
An Eagles friend of mine is literally bombarding me with emails and texts of the same five seconds of radio from today where the Eagles host said he wasn't sure Kelly could beat out Poutasi. Grimm better make something out of Kelly
Thunderlips
Footballguy
New GMs do that. They aren't invested in the guy. If he's not producing and doesn't fit their agenda......they have little use for them.
Noone's saying that DGB is the next coming of ODB. But as an Eagles fan.... with what the Eagles have at the WR position..... I'm extremely happy with the deal. DGB was, more or less, 1st round talent last year. Why not take a chance on the guy on a rookie contract? It's not like they gave up Anothony Munoz to get him.
massraider
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I get it, and agree that it was a no risk, high reward move for the Eagles. I'm talking about how DGB and the trade are being viewed by dynasty owners right now. It's an enormous red flag screaming to get out while you can...this was most likely a swap of guys who would struggle to make the 53, never mind contribute. A fresh start is good for both players, and Eagles fans should be hopeful. Titans fans should be crushed and heated.
You're something else in this thread. Bad day or what?
They added the steal of the draft (probably) and a free agent and suddenly don't even need a starter.
They have 11 WRs and incredible depth for being the worst team in football last year. DGB will be replaced by a possible HOFer, another 2nd round athletic freak, and a first rounder that's quicker than quick. They will very likely cut or trade another good WR. It will be painful for Titans fans as we can't have nice things.
steelers1080
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
My dynasty league has a practice squad. DGB will remain there. He could end up being Cordarelle Patterson 2.0 (but with less hype), all the athletic gifts but none of the fundamentals.
massraider
Footballguy
I think you are misinterpreting my attitude. Hope I am not coming across as insulting to you.
I think that the notion that a team can talk up a player, then trade him for more than they perceive his value to be is a fallacy. It's fanboy dream world.
Could the Titans have increased his value by NOT mentioning that he was struggling? Maybe. I don't think so, but maybe. Could the Titans muzzle the beat writers, who were reporting that he was falling down the depth chart? No, they could not. Mularkey can say whatever he wants, or whatever Titans fans WANT him to say, but the minute that DGB becomes available, the truth becomes self-evident. Because NO ONE trades last year's 2nd rounder if they actually think he's going to be good. We could have been told that DGB was killing people all year long, but as soon as Robinson says, ''Yeah, DGB is available'', everyone knows the truth.
I don't think you are being honest with yourself if you are saying that the team didn't have room for last year's 6'5'' 2nd round pick because the just signed Andre Johnson, or because they like Tajae Sharpe. Come on man.
Whatever, it's a theoretical argument anyways.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Yeah I flipped him for a 2017 3rd in my deep IDP league with 50-man rosters. I am just so loaded at WR that I am happy to get him off my team and get a pick next year that can get me help anywhere. A 3rd in this league is probably similar to a 2nd in non-IDP as far as value.
I definitely don't think that way and was quite displeased with the trade. That's the perception the Titans gave off.
massraider
Footballguy
