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Did Abraham get dealt to Denver? (1 Viewer)
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Lord of the Rings
Footballguy
Seems like this deal would make sense, especially with Denver unloading Pryce (temporarily?) or maybe that's what's leading to this rumor in the first place.
Well, the only confirmation is as follows:
1. some kid who posts video shorts of himself in his dorm room talking about the Jets
2. Radio 1050 in NY is reporting that Abraham's camp is holding a press conference today.
That, along with Denver's cuts, which were unusual b/c they wre early, and b/c Trevor Pryce was let go, gives nice circumstantial evidence for an Abraham trade, but at this point, this is nothing more than a connect-the-dots-rumor.
1. some kid who posts video shorts of himself in his dorm room talking about the Jets
2. Radio 1050 in NY is reporting that Abraham's camp is holding a press conference today.
That, along with Denver's cuts, which were unusual b/c they wre early, and b/c Trevor Pryce was let go, gives nice circumstantial evidence for an Abraham trade, but at this point, this is nothing more than a connect-the-dots-rumor.
Chitown Mole
Footballguy
I've seen it talked about on titans central as a done deal...bongo's kid said it...Im serious.
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/ti...vpost?id=957735
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/ti...vpost?id=957735
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
ESPN has an Insider link on their front page entitled: "Rumors: Broncos Making Room for Abraham?"
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Speculation at this point but...
Randy Lange of the Bergen Record (very good Jet source) - states that an Abe deal is done but can not be announced until cuts are all in place. Should be revealed tonight or tomorrow. No word on team or compensation.
Most Jet and Denver boards have discussed the 29th being involved. Good deal for both IMO.
I would not use the 29th to trade up to #1 but rather use the #29 and 2nd rd pick to trade up to get a RB in the mid 1st rd. White or Williams top add to Cutler or Brick!
Randy Lange of the Bergen Record (very good Jet source) - states that an Abe deal is done but can not be announced until cuts are all in place. Should be revealed tonight or tomorrow. No word on team or compensation.
Most Jet and Denver boards have discussed the 29th being involved. Good deal for both IMO.
I would not use the 29th to trade up to #1 but rather use the #29 and 2nd rd pick to trade up to get a RB in the mid 1st rd. White or Williams top add to Cutler or Brick!
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
If I was the jets I'd go for Brick. Their oline will take a hit with the loss of Kevin Mawae.
Reaper
Footballguy
I would use the 29th pick an OL or BPA.
The OL is going to be blown to bits without Mawae Kendal and Fabini.
I don't see a need for a RB at all yet - Use this down year to build up the lines and then with a high pick next year add the RB as icing on the cake, unless Houston has a great year.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
I think they should use their #4 pick on Brick and as Kiddnets, said, move up to the middle of the round to draft a running back. The rookie RB would have a great mentor in Curtis Martin.I would use the 29th pick an OL or BPA.
The OL is going to be blown to bits without Mawae Kendal and Fabini.
I don't see a need for a RB at all yet - Use this down year to build up the lines and then with a high pick next year add the RB as icing on the cake, unless Houston has a great year.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Jetsconfidential message board saidf Dan Lieberfeld - one of the top beat reporters for the Jets on ESPN News says Abe has been rumored to be traded to Detroit for the #9 pick.
If so Tannenbaum just buried Badaway - even I can't believe Millen is that crazy or dumb....is he?
If so Tannenbaum just buried Badaway - even I can't believe Millen is that crazy or dumb....is he?
Rovers
Footballguy
Hey, the young man that does that Jets TV video blog from his BC dorm does in fact have an inside connection with the Jets FO. He admits it's through a family connection.... just lucky on his part that he sometimes gets some tidbits.
There could be some truth in the Abraham to Denver rumor. With Pryce gone, it makes sense.
There could be some truth in the Abraham to Denver rumor. With Pryce gone, it makes sense.
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MLBrandow
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They'll give a 29 for him. Don't see them dealing their 22.
Rovers
Footballguy
I was thinking I was being optomistic looking for a two for Abaraham.... I'll take the #29 and be very happy with that.PS: Discussions about Abraham between the Jets and Denver have now been reported in quite a few places.... this kid called the Sowell cut before it happened. He does have a contact.
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Interesting trade to ponder.
1. Teams don't trade for franchise players without a contract. To trade Abraham, the Jets would have to re-sign him to a multi-year cap friendly contract. Those genereally include huge signing bonuses.
2. If they trade Abraham, will the full amount of the signing bonus is applied to this year's cap? I don't recall the ramifications of the signing bonus on the cap when a trade is involved.
3. Jets are not healthy from a cap stand point (-10mil). So, now they will have to pay Abraham's signing bonus, the rookie #4 signing bonus and the #29 pick signing bonus. Lots of coin being spent in up front money to avoid the cap hits. Yes, it can be done.
Meanwhile in Denver...
1. You get a franchise player with a new cap-freindly contract. No signing bonus to pay for this player. Cap is at -13mil... not good. So they'd still have to clear more room for Abraham's contract.
2. No signing bonus or cap figure for the #29 over-all prospect that would not be near Abraham's ability and value.
Seems like a good fit for Denver and a financial problem for the Jets. The Jets are in a financial bind regardless.
1. Teams don't trade for franchise players without a contract. To trade Abraham, the Jets would have to re-sign him to a multi-year cap friendly contract. Those genereally include huge signing bonuses.
2. If they trade Abraham, will the full amount of the signing bonus is applied to this year's cap? I don't recall the ramifications of the signing bonus on the cap when a trade is involved.
3. Jets are not healthy from a cap stand point (-10mil). So, now they will have to pay Abraham's signing bonus, the rookie #4 signing bonus and the #29 pick signing bonus. Lots of coin being spent in up front money to avoid the cap hits. Yes, it can be done.
Meanwhile in Denver...
1. You get a franchise player with a new cap-freindly contract. No signing bonus to pay for this player. Cap is at -13mil... not good. So they'd still have to clear more room for Abraham's contract.
2. No signing bonus or cap figure for the #29 over-all prospect that would not be near Abraham's ability and value.
Seems like a good fit for Denver and a financial problem for the Jets. The Jets are in a financial bind regardless.
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I believe that in this situation, the deal only makes sense if the bonus is an option bonus for next year, rather than a signing bonus this year. The first year will have a high base salary to compensate. The Jets will not be on the hook for that base salary on their cap for the year.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
The Jets would not sign Abrahams bonus. The Broncos would.
Righetti
Footballguy
If the Jets could do something like this..I would do a back-flipI would like to see the Jets address the draft as follows
assuming they can trade Abraham for a first round pick...
1) Take DeBrickshaw with 1.04
2) Assuming they can get a 1.22 pick from Denver..go for the best offensive skill player available (DeAngelo Williams if he were to fall that far, Chad Jackson otherwise) if neither is available go for a 1st round talent Corner or OLB
3) with 2.04 take an offensive guard.
4) pickup a decent veteran QB as a backup to Chad, assuming you don't cut him
5) keep Mawae, keeping him is "only" costing you 1.2million extra, if you are going to go into 2006 with a young offensive line, you'll need a veteran anchoring it.
6) Make your cuts to get under the cap by cutting Jolley, McCareins, Kendall. Law, Fabini, Fiedler and Sowell are already cap casualties
You would be looking at an offensive line of
DeBrickshaw, Goodwin or Moore, Mawae, new guard, Adian Jones
Your skill positions would be
Curtis and Houston plus Coles and Chad Jackson
or
Curtis and DeAngelo plus Coles and McCareins
With Pennington and Ramsey for argument sake as your QB's
not a terrible offensive team, and at least you are young at most of the major positions.... it will take a 2 years to get good again..but I can wait... Give me a
the defense is still young, although your going to lose quite a bit without Abraham helping the pass-rush...
Reaper
Footballguy
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.I'll go Beserk. Imagine they get pick 29 for Abe and trade both picks for BUSH UGHHHHHHHH!!!!! They could lose 3/5 of the OL, including the 2 best offensive linemen they have.
Build the OL..... Next year the Jets will have another high draft pick - Adding a RB to an established OL is cake.... Go Best player at 4, if that's Ferguson, then so be it and then attack the OL with a few more picks...
Watching Reggie Bush get crushed and help get the QB crushed is NOT what I want to see...... Especially for the price it would take to get him...
I say why not go with D'Brick and trade Abraham for 1st to draft another tackle on the other side and get a nice set of bookends.Hell- if we get the #9 from the Lions for Abe- maybe AJ Hawk is still there and get him in the middle with Vilma for the 3-4.
Then draft a CB or RB in the 2nd and/or third.
Rovers
Footballguy
We need a QB first. Then go O line with the next three picks. A RT, a center and guard with the next two. Next year, with a high draft pick again, we get Peterson as our new 3 down RB. The RB should always be the last piece of the puzzle. Looks like we might have enough to sign a Julian Peterson as another OLB for the 3-4. Somewhere along the way, we need a CB for depth.
Righetti
Footballguy
I don't disagree that the RB should be the last piece of the puzzle.. Problem is that I think the Jets have so many needs right now, they need all the early picks they can get their hands on.if the Abraham trade to the Lions goes through, then i'd go
D'Brick at 1.04, Cutler at #9 and then an OG at 2.04
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
You are not correct. Altlanta did this with Peerless Price. Buffalo tagged him and then traded the rights to him. Atlanta then signed a contract with him.
Boston
Footballguy
All these Jet posts seem to be pushing for them to go offense. Mangini is a defensive coach so I would not be surprised to see them fortify the D. If the D is good than you will usually be competitive. The Jets have a decent D and if they can improve it it will greatly stabilize a sticky situation. Look at the Pats in 01. They came out of nowhere once the D gelled and won a Super Bowl with a first year QB and players at each skill position that had all been cut at least once in their NFL career. In general you can win with an average offense but you're usually going nowhere fast with an average defense (unless you have an unbelievable O like the Fouts Chargers or Manning Colts...and even than you won't win it all).
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