Did anyone see the Randy Moss fiasco coming? (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

Six Top 5 finishes followed by two Top 20 seasons . . . and this year he ranked as the number SIXTY WR on the season.

I thought a Moss/Brooks pairing would be money and am ashamed to say I had Moss as the #1 WR heading into the season. (That's a double bagger in case the bag on the outside breaks.)

Did ANYONE see this coming? Is there any hope for Moss heading forward? Which team could he produce Top 5 numbers on (with a reasonable chance to be on)? I'd settle for Top 20 numbers . . . any better destinations available?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Absolutely.

I wish I could find the thread when I posted it (maybe it was purged) but I laughed at Oakland thinking they got a steal when they traded the #7 and Nap Harris for a receiver with a bad back, bad ankle, and bad attitude.

Add to that the fact that Art Shell was taking over the team and and no bona fide o-coordinator was brought in, the dude had bust written all over him.

Reality check time. Moss is D-O-N-E.

 

[CA_7]

Yep. Dealt him for Reggie Wayne and late 1st rounder (16 teams, 5 keepers so not what you think) before last year's draft

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I dropped all Raiders on my draft lists once I started seeing the posts here about how putrid their O-Line looked. Plus I owned Moss in '05 and got fed up with his inconsistency.

So I didn't see him as WR60, but I didn't see him as worthy of a high pick either.

 

[Duckboy]

I had him at WR5 (same group with Owens/Fitz slightly ahead and Harrison/Boldin slightly behind). Lower than usual PPR, but I figured on at least a few bombs from Brooks.

Depending somewhat on where he goes, and moreso what he wants to do, Top 5 is still a possibility. The talent is there; we'll see about the effort.

I think ATL would be a good match from who may be looking. NE, PHI could also be good, but doubt they take that on. DAL as a TO replacement could be interesting as well.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I had him ranked as the #10 WR coming into this year with upside to finish #7. I am shocked at how poorly he played all year. He seemed to just mail it in for the season after only a couple of games. I honestly don't think his talent or skill level has declined much. I just think he doesn't care anymore. He runs some of the laziest routes I have ever seen. I don't know what it would take to motivate him again. He just doesn't have the work ethic or drive of a Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison. He's turned into the Jeff George of WR with million dollar hands and a ten cent head and heart.

 

[TheFanatic]

Not so much on the Moss front as I did not own him in any league, but I did trade Brees, Stallworth and Horn for BRooks and Javon Walker about an hour after Brooks signed with Oakland. At the time Brees was still rehabbing from surgery.

So I sneak into the playoffs this year after McNabb goes down. And then Frye goes down and I'm starting brooks in the playoffs. Of course, I turn on the Oakland game and I see some white guy throwing the ball for Oakland.

Did I mention that I have Brooks locked up at $3 million for next year out of a $32 million cap? With them getting the 1.1, I'm guessing Quinn will be a Raidah

 

[Bull Dozier]

Absolutely. I wish I could find the thread when I posted it (maybe it was purged) but I laughed at Oakland thinking they got a steal when they traded the #7 and Nap Harris for a receiver with a bad back, bad ankle, and bad attitude.Add to that the fact that Art Shell was taking over the team and and no bona fide o-coordinator was brought in, the dude had bust written all over him.Reality check time. Moss is D-O-N-E.

I can't agree with you on this one. First, I don't agree Moss is done. He was on pace last season after 4 games to break Rice's single season yards record. Granted, he never got is started this year, but no on on Oakland did. He could still put up numbers in New England, GB (with Favre), Dallas, among others next year. He is not a team leader, cannot be the #1 star, and cannot carry a team. But, if he plays a roll, he could still be the best at what he does.Also, as far as the trade, it was a wash for both teams. I'd rather have Moss than Williamson at this point. Moss at least still requires a double team. Williamson covers himself. Nap Harris was a liability last season, and barely made up for it with average play this season. Had Oakland had a QB this season, there is no contest who would have made out better on the trade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I can't agree with you on this one. First, I don't agree Moss is done. He was on pace last season after 4 games to break Rice's single season yards record.

Last year? Four games? He's now a year older and four games is not a good sample size for anything. Sorry.

Granted, he never got is started this year, but no on on Oakland did. He could still put up numbers in New England, GB (with Favre), Dallas, among others next year. He is not a team leader, cannot be the #1 star, and cannot carry a team. But, if he plays a roll, he could still be the best at what he does.

I just don't see it.

Also, as far as the trade, it was a wash for both teams. I'd rather have Moss than Williamson at this point. Moss at least still requires a double team. Williamson covers himself. Nap Harris was a liability last season, and barely made up for it with average play this season. Had Oakland had a QB this season, there is no contest who would have made out better on the trade.

Well, the Vikings did blow it with the #7, no doubt. How would you feel if they'd used the pick on someone like Merriman? A little more slanted in the Vikings favor then.Nothing will make me change my mind about Moss.

 

[BigJim®]

Yes and no. I held Moss in my dynasty league following the trade to Oakland, expecting to be able to take advantage of a blow-up "hey Vikes, see how dumb you are for letting me go" season, and then being able to move him. It just did not happen, and I got left holding the bag. I completely underestimated Moss' willingness to be a substandard NFL player when he had such a huge chip on his shoulder initially coming into the NFL. I also underestimated how bad the situation in Oakland was becoming. I can't imagine Moss believes the Oakland situation is good "cover" (i.e. excuses his weak play) when most pundits are vocally saying Moss is simply not that any good anymore. I can only hope he signs with New England so I can take advantage of a dead cat bounce and trade him for something, anything.

 

[H.K.]

this year he ranked as the number SIXTY WR on the season.

I did not see that bad a finish coming, but I was scared enough to avoid him and let someone else take a gamble on him (or any other Raider for that matter). I was really struggling with his value last year, glad I passed.

 

[David Yudkin]

I can only hope he signs with New England so I can take advantage of a dead cat bounce and trade him for something, anything.

I follow the Patsies, and I just don't see him coming here. The Pats had a chance this year to make a deal for him and rumor around here was that the asking price was not all that high. With the lack of WR depth and talent N.E. had this year, I don't see them pulling the trigger on a trade heading into next year. Similarly, I don't see Oakland cutting Moss, so the only way he'd be available is by trade. And factor in the bad seed/me first mantra that Moss exudes and I don't see a great fit in Foxboro (especially with Moss due almost $10 million in 07 and over $11 million in 08).

 

[Bull Dozier]

I can't agree with you on this one. First, I don't agree Moss is done. He was on pace last season after 4 games to break Rice's single season yards record.

Last year? Four games? He's now a year older and four games is not a good sample size for anything. Sorry.

Granted, he never got is started this year, but no on on Oakland did. He could still put up numbers in New England, GB (with Favre), Dallas, among others next year. He is not a team leader, cannot be the #1 star, and cannot carry a team. But, if he plays a roll, he could still be the best at what he does.

I just don't see it.

Also, as far as the trade, it was a wash for both teams. I'd rather have Moss than Williamson at this point. Moss at least still requires a double team. Williamson covers himself. Nap Harris was a liability last season, and barely made up for it with average play this season. Had Oakland had a QB this season, there is no contest who would have made out better on the trade.

Well, the Vikings did blow it with the #7, no doubt. How would you feel if they'd used the pick on someone like Merriman? A little more slanted in the Vikings favor then.Nothing will make me change my mind about Moss.

1. Four games was the only sample size I have to work with prior to Moss' injury. Four games isn't the whole season, but he showed he was still explosive (when several people said he had nothing left after the 2004 season). If that sample size is not big enough, look at his projected stats if you exclude the four games be played banged up (weeks 6-9). His other weeks projected out to 16 games equates to 71 catches for 1238 yards (17 per) and 8 TDs. Thats 12 games. Is that a good enough sample size?2. Obviously if the Vikes had drafted better, the scales would be tipped. But, in Jim Wacker's words, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts what a wonderful christmas it would be (sic).

 

[Sinrman]

Thank GOD I traded Moss away in my main league (TD only league) before the season. I actually traded him, LaMont Jordan, and Ronnie Brown, which at the time, was VERY difficult to do (I think I got Deuce McAllister, Chester Taylor, and a few others). Looking back at it now, I'm VERY VERY glad I did. I still think Brown will turn out well, but overall, I had a bad bad feeling about the Raiders this year, and am glad I pulled the trigger.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Four games was the only sample size I have to work with prior to Moss' injury. Four games isn't the whole season, but he showed he was still explosive (when several people said he had nothing left after the 2004 season). If that sample size is not big enough, look at his projected stats if you exclude the four games be played banged up (weeks 6-9). His other weeks projected out to 16 games equates to 71 catches for 1238 yards (17 per) and 8 TDs. Thats 12 games. Is that a good enough sample size?

Not to change MY mind.

2. Obviously if the Vikes had drafted better, the scales would be tipped. But, in Jim Wacker's words, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts what a wonderful christmas it would be (sic).

Too bad the U of MN can't hire Wacker back.

 

[gman8343]

I can only hope he signs with New England so I can take advantage of a dead cat bounce and trade him for something, anything.

I follow the Patsies, and I just don't see him coming here. The Pats had a chance this year to make a deal for him and rumor around here was that the asking price was not all that high. With the lack of WR depth and talent N.E. had this year, I don't see them pulling the trigger on a trade heading into next year. Similarly, I don't see Oakland cutting Moss, so the only way he'd be available is by trade. And factor in the bad seed/me first mantra that Moss exudes and I don't see a great fit in Foxboro (especially with Moss due almost $10 million in 07 and over $11 million in 08).

Do you think the Pats front office is getting a lot of heat for not signing any difference makers at WR this season after the top two left? If they get bounced early from the playoffs and inconsistent WR play seems to be one of the reasons, who do you think they'll go after, if anyone?The Pats remind me a bit of the Eagles a few years ago when they trotted out bad/mediocre WRs and it came back to bite them in the playoffs.I don't think Moss will go to NE, but in theory it could make a lot of people happy. Moss has a winning team and a great QB to get him the rock, plus motivation to play for a Super Bowl title, which could keep him behaving...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Moss has a winning team and a great QB to get him the rock, plus motivation to play for a Super Bowl title, which could keep him behaving...

Good luck with that.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

most games i saw, the typical series was sack-sack-sack-punt...

i think it is a bit early to shovel the dirt on moss, if he had the opportunity to work once again in a semi-functional offense...

even with a hard core detractor like andy, i bet we could agree that OAK was far from a functioning offense in 06... so in my mind it is an open question what he could do afforded the chance with a real team...

that said, i won't be ranking him in top 10 going into 07, & i think to a degree it is a guilty until proven innocent thing... & any doubts resulting from his lack of hustle are absolutely self-inflicted...

* i'd be more inclined to think he was done if he was 35-40... but he isn't... i think he still has something left in the tank...

 

[cws3030]

i threw this one out to a friend yesterday... there are no rumors of it but the titans do need some help at wr and are 40mil under the cap. i doubt this actually would happen but the shoe fits.

 

[BigJim®]

I can only hope he signs with New England so I can take advantage of a dead cat bounce and trade him for something, anything.

I follow the Patsies, and I just don't see him coming here. The Pats had a chance this year to make a deal for him and rumor around here was that the asking price was not all that high. With the lack of WR depth and talent N.E. had this year, I don't see them pulling the trigger on a trade heading into next year. Similarly, I don't see Oakland cutting Moss, so the only way he'd be available is by trade. And factor in the bad seed/me first mantra that Moss exudes and I don't see a great fit in Foxboro (especially with Moss due almost $10 million in 07 and over $11 million in 08).

I agree on it being less likely than commonly thought that the Pats would take on Moss. The only evidence that they would is seemingly tied to the fact they signed a guy like Dillon (who was at least a competitor). More likely however, the Pats will not allow a lazy bum into their locker room.I totally disagree with your belief that Oakland will not release him. I just can't fathom Oakland paying him his scheduled salaries given his lack of heart/production. It's equivalent to having dead money only it remains sitting on your bench and threatens to poison the entire team. I'd say there is a 90% chance he gets cut if he can't be traded.That said, assuming he'll be cut I'm very curious under what circumstances he remains an NFL WR. I would suspect the vast majority of teams would not touch him at any price, and I further suspect Moss will expect/demand more money than he deserves from the couple teams who are only interested in taking advantage of a blue light special. My prayer is this perfect storm will create another chip on his shoulder. He could very well be done in the NFL.

 

[Beaumont]

If Moss gets cut (I absolutely sincerely doubt it) many, many teams will be on him ASAP. KC by itself would be almost guaranteed to open up the coffers for him ...

 

[acapella]

I had buyer's remorse in one league when I picked Harrison over Moss, but I thought I made up for it in another league by "landing" Moss is the middle of the 3rd.

Ended up winning the first league and not making the playoffs in the second.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He could very well be done in the NFL.

As much as I can't stand the guy and would love for this to be true, SOMEONE will take a chance on him. They'll pay the price that Oakland has, but someone will pay him.

 

[saintfool]

He could very well be done in the NFL.

As much as I can't stand the guy and would love for this to be true, SOMEONE will take a chance on him. They'll pay the price that Oakland has, but someone will pay him.

they'll pay him a TO like wage though.

 

[BigJim®]

He could very well be done in the NFL.

As much as I can't stand the guy and would love for this to be true, SOMEONE will take a chance on him. They'll pay the price that Oakland has, but someone will pay him.

Maybe that came out wrong. I should have said "He may very well be done as a relevant NFL player." I'm inclined to lump him in the David Boston category at this point. He'll undoubtedly be rostered but I highly doubt he'll ever again possess the motivation to do anything but cash checks. I'd be marginally surprised if he ever surpasses 50 receptions/6 TDs again.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I completely agree.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Count me as someone who fell on the Moss sword this year. Over the past 8 years I've been a regular Moss owner, opting to take Randy in the 2nd round instead of rolling the dice on risky 2nd tiered RBs who often bust. This year, I was stoked to get Randy in the 3rd round, and he killed me.

Thanks for the championships you helped me win in the past Randy, but after '06 I will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER draft your lazy, unmotivated, punk ### again.

 

[Z-Dog]

Sounds like Moss is a great buy-low candidate. Though he obviously comes with issues and baggage, I still think it's tough to evaluate a WR's performance when the rest of the offense falls apart. The O-line was a staggering horror and gave up over 70 sacks this season, LaMont Jordan went out with an injury, Jerry Porter never played, Doug Gabriel was dealt, Ronald Curry was hurt, Aaron Brooks was hurt, and Andrew Walters was not NFL quality.

With all that disaster, Moss quit - a low-character move, sure, but I still think that in the right environment Moss would be a top-10 WR. How low will he drop? Is he going to be around in the 5th or 6th round?

 

[joffer]

Did ANYONE see this coming?

i'm pretty sure jurb did

 

[sib]

I drafted Moss in a dynasty league that started in 2k4. I had him in his last yr in Minnesota and his first year in Oakland. I shipped him last offseason because I knew his value was going to get lower (although I didn't expect this type of tank job, I thought he would be at best a top 25 WR). I actually traded back for him 4 games into this season (gave up Mike Turner and Brandon Marshall for him). I think Randy is still a good player, but the injuries have taken a toll on him and I think he's lost a step. I also don't see him going into a situation that would be anywhere near as ideal as Minnesota situation was.

So why did I trade for this bum? I traded for him because he still retains value in my dynasty league. Most folks look at his previous production, his age (I don't think he's 30 yrs old yet), and the belief that he will be traded and think Moss could be a top 15 WR in 2007. There is a "all he needs is a change of scenery and he will be dominant again" mentality. Hopefully I can throw this guy and some other spare change and get back Portis

 

[Limp Ditka]

I didn't see it coming and thought he could easily be top 10 this year.

Luckily I only had him in one league as I had Chris Chambers rated higher and wasted my 3 round pick on him in the others.

 

[Blue-Kun]

I didn't expect him to be a total train-wreck, but as soon as I found out we had Brooks coming and saw no significant fixes to the O-line coming... I knocked him way down the board. Still, he went from not living up to expectations to 'Did he miss 12 games or something?' type numbers. I think if he sticks with the Raiders or goes to a similarly awful team that just pays him a lot of money, he's done, I wouldn't even touch him.

If he gets traded to a team with actual playoff contentions and a half-decent QB / O-line, then I could see him returning to the top 20. His days as a top 10 WR seem to be gone though. His lack of drive gives me no thought that he'll magically return to form.

I wouldn't draft him unless he dropped to like the mid rounds (7 sounds about right).

 

[GroveDiesel]

I certainly didn't as I traded Willie Parker for Moss before the season started...and I could have had CJ instead of Moss.

 

[flranger]

Randy Moss is done. He is not motivated by SuperBowls...............only Super Bong's.

 

[Borat]

Randy Moss is done. He is not motivated by SuperBowls...............only Super Bong's.

 

[softball]

Six Top 5 finishes followed by two Top 20 seasons . . . and this year he ranked as the number SIXTY WR on the season.I thought a Moss/Brooks pairing would be money and am ashamed to say I had Moss as the #1 WR heading into the season. (That's a double bagger in case the bag on the outside breaks.)Did ANYONE see this coming? Is there any hope for Moss heading forward? Which team could he produce Top 5 numbers on (with a reasonable chance to be on)? I'd settle for Top 20 numbers . . . any better destinations available?

Didn't see it coming at all. Bought into the Team Captain BS and thought as "the man" he would deliver against a weak schedule and getting a QB that made Joe Horn a Pro Bowler.The OC deal was REALLY surprising and worst of all I thought the one strength that was going to be in place was a Hall of Fame offensive lineman getiing HIS offensive line in solid shape.Sometime it just comes out wrong...

 

[x260bm]

Moss has shown that he was capable of having a meltdown since he was in college. That is the reason why he fell all the way to Vikings in the draft. That is the same reason people were drafting him in the 12th round in his rookie season. In my opinion, being on the same team with Cris Carter helped him out a lot. It was not long after Carter left that Moss started to act up. Moss had a good 6 six year run and that made people forget that he was a character risk. In 2004 he acted up to the point where the Vikings traded him in the off-season. Since then he has shown signs that he was about ready to implode. It did not really surprise that he did finally blow up. At this point Moss needs to get out of Oakland bad.

 

[beto]

this year he ranked as the number SIXTY WR on the season.

I did not see that bad a finish coming, but I was scared enough to avoid him and let someone else take a gamble on him (or any other Raider for that matter). I was really struggling with his value last year, glad I passed.

Agree with H.K.Seeing them in the preseason made me stay far away from any Raider in late drafts.

 

[jurb26]

There was nobody who saw anything like this coming. In all my years of watching football, I've never seen an O as terrible as Oak was this year. Even more concerning was that it just never seemed to improve throughout the year. Moss is done in Oak. Even if he plays for them next year. Then again, so are nearly all the players on that O from last year. On another team however... Moss very well could bounce back.

As an owner of both Moss and Walter in dynasty leagues. I have to say I am far more concerned with the impact of Walter from this past year than Moss. Like Ramsey a few years ago in Wash, we could be seeing a young QB scared for life after being man-handled on every snap.

 

[Snicks]

as an aaron brooks hater, i wasn't going to have moss on my team anyway...

 

[Two Deep]

I can't agree with you on this one. First, I don't agree Moss is done. He was on pace last season after 4 games to break Rice's single season yards record.

Last year? Four games? He's now a year older and four games is not a good sample size for anything. Sorry.

Granted, he never got is started this year, but no on on Oakland did. He could still put up numbers in New England, GB (with Favre), Dallas, among others next year. He is not a team leader, cannot be the #1 star, and cannot carry a team. But, if he plays a roll, he could still be the best at what he does.

I just don't see it.

Also, as far as the trade, it was a wash for both teams. I'd rather have Moss than Williamson at this point. Moss at least still requires a double team. Williamson covers himself. Nap Harris was a liability last season, and barely made up for it with average play this season. Had Oakland had a QB this season, there is no contest who would have made out better on the trade.

Well, the Vikings did blow it with the #7, no doubt. How would you feel if they'd used the pick on someone like Merriman? A little more slanted in the Vikings favor then.Nothing will make me change my mind about Moss.

What if he comes out next year and puts up 80 plus catches 1000 + yards and double digit Tds?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Nothing will make me change my mind about Moss.

What if he comes out next year and puts up 80 plus catches 1000 + yards and double digit Tds?

That may make this agnostic change his mind about Jesus more than it would about Moss.

 

[Slum Lord]

I thought a Moss/Brooks pairing would be money and am ashamed to say I had Moss as the #1 WR heading into the season. (That's a double bagger in case the bag on the outside breaks.)

Did ANYONE see this coming? Is there any hope for Moss heading forward? Which team could he produce Top 5 numbers on (with a reasonable chance to be on)? I'd settle for Top 20 numbers . . . any better destinations available?

Actually yeah, I did see this comming when they hired Art Shell, who then hired Tom Walsh, who was out of coaching for the last 10 years to be the offensive coordinator. I honestly dont see how people missed that so often with him and Jordan. Can there be a bigger red flag than being out of coaching completely for 10 years??

 

[redman]

I can't say I predicted it, but it doesn't shock me. I've been leery of him ever since he started having injury problems two years ago because he's a guy who IMHO has relied upon unique physical talent above all else, including work ethic, to reach the heights he has and I therefore didn't trust him to do what it took to stay healthy. To hear that he's whining and slacking and feigning injury to avoid playing really doesn't surprise me all that much.

I will say this for TO - he's as big of a pain in the ### but he also works as hard as anyone to be in shape and play on Sunday.

 

[cscmtp]

I didn't see this coming. But i did manage to trade him midseason and feel i got a decent deal:

I moved Randy Moss, Jordan, Fargas, Norwood, Steelers D

I received Edwards, McGahee, Dillion, Campbell, Bears D

I will miss Norwood the next few years, but like Edwards and McGahee's upside as well as Bears D.

 

[David Yudkin]

I thought a Moss/Brooks pairing would be money and am ashamed to say I had Moss as the #1 WR heading into the season. (That's a double bagger in case the bag on the outside breaks.)

Did ANYONE see this coming? Is there any hope for Moss heading forward? Which team could he produce Top 5 numbers on (with a reasonable chance to be on)? I'd settle for Top 20 numbers . . . any better destinations available?

Actually yeah, I did see this comming when they hired Art Shell, who then hired Tom Walsh, who was out of coaching for the last 10 years to be the offensive coordinator. I honestly dont see how people missed that so often with him and Jordan. Can there be a bigger red flag than being out of coaching completely for 10 years??

The Redskins signed Gibbs a few years back and he hadn't coached in 12 years. The Redskins offense di not lay an egg like the Raiders did.

 

[Slum Lord]

I thought a Moss/Brooks pairing would be money and am ashamed to say I had Moss as the #1 WR heading into the season. (That's a double bagger in case the bag on the outside breaks.)

Did ANYONE see this coming? Is there any hope for Moss heading forward? Which team could he produce Top 5 numbers on (with a reasonable chance to be on)? I'd settle for Top 20 numbers . . . any better destinations available?

Actually yeah, I did see this comming when they hired Art Shell, who then hired Tom Walsh, who was out of coaching for the last 10 years to be the offensive coordinator. I honestly dont see how people missed that so often with him and Jordan. Can there be a bigger red flag than being out of coaching completely for 10 years??

The Redskins signed Gibbs a few years back and he hadn't coached in 12 years. The Redskins offense di not lay an egg like the Raiders did.

Apples and oranges. Joe hired former NFL head coaches for coordinators/assistants because he'd been gone for so long. He knew things have changed, and hired people to help him out with that. He had an owner with a blank checkbook, who'd get anyone (player or coach) that Joe wanted. And Gibbs won a few SB's in his time. Joe Gibbs wasnt a NFL coach by choice, where no one wanted Art Shell. No one wanted Tom Walsh either. Suddenly they are reunited 10 years after thier firing, they get washed up Brooks, and, we expect what? The old Raiders verticle passing game?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Think I can fairly say I saw "it" coming. Would have projected him higher, but not by much. As others have said, injuries (the biggest factor IMO - his body isn't right and never will be), attitude and team situation indicated a very poor season to me as early as the beginning last year.

I don't think I'm alone either. Moss was actively shopped in one of my dynasty leagues last year and the owner didn't receive any offer even close to what he thought his value should have been.

Everybody's blaming the offense, and it WAS really really bad, but they did throw for 2850 yards this year.

The Bills threw for just 200 more yards and Lee Evans managed to rake in 1300 yards worth of passes. Houston's offense was pathetic too and Andre Johnson caught 103 balls for 1150 yards. Santana Moss was on a horrible offense, had a serious injury and still put up 800 yards and 6 TDs. Granfather Galloway produced over a 1000 yards and 7 TDs catching balls thrown by Bruce Gradkowski.

These guys were double covered most if not all of the time on teams with bad offenses/QBs and still produced because they are good/great receivers.

For a variety of reasons, Moss just isn't any more and sure doesn't seem like that's going to change any time soon, even if he is on another team.

 

[Two Deep]

Nothing will make me change my mind about Moss.

What if he comes out next year and puts up 80 plus catches 1000 + yards and double digit Tds?

That may make this agnostic change his mind about Jesus more than it would about Moss.

Good one

 

[malice]

On one hand, he did have a lazy attitude towards this year, but it's harder to find someone on the Raiders who DIDN'T have that attitude towards this season than to find one who did.

I could easily see him going to some team like the Titans, Redskins or Ravens. The Ravens would probably be the best fit- I can see Ray Lewis getting his 'tude back in shape and if he and Clayton were the deep threats with Mason a posession receiver, they could get even stronger on offense (not sure of their cap situation though).

I could see the Titans making a deal as well...he'd probably also work well with Young and Pacman.