Did Brandon Marshall appeal his supsension? (1 Viewer)

[buck naked]

Now instead or arguing suspension policy and repentance like in 10 other Marshall threads, we all could use cold hard facts about whether his suspension is going to get reduced.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I've had the police to my house zero times.The Denver police have Marshall's address programmed into their GPS's.Doesn't take a genius to realize he's a nut job.And yes, you will dominate with that group of WR's, until Marshall screws up badly and gets a few years in the clink. Well i guess you'll still have solid WR's with the J's, but marshall won't be part of that group long term unless you play in prison FF leagues.

As long as he doesn't kill dogs he will probably be OK.Still, having him on your roster is probably Bad Newz

 

[goonsquad]

As long as he doesn't kill dogs he will probably be OK.Still, having him on your roster is probably Bad Newz

 

[brednbuddah]

Now instead or arguing suspension policy and repentance like in 10 other Marshall threads, we all could use cold hard facts about whether his suspension is going to get reduced.

as of now, goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further. link

 

[j3r3m3y]

Now instead or arguing suspension policy and repentance like in 10 other Marshall threads, we all could use cold hard facts about whether his suspension is going to get reduced.

as of now, goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further. link

Sounds like they are just reporting the same information over again.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further.

link

While Marshall is a great talent, I still don't think he gets it. I would really like him to undergo counseling to get his head on straight so he can stay out of trouble in the future, but it doesn't look like he wants to get any help. So, even though he may win the short term battle by having his suspension reduced, it appears only a matter of time before the guy does something stupid again to get into further trouble a la Pacman. I guess time will tell.

What basis do you have to make that outrageous claim? Do you know Brandon Marshall personally? Are you his neighbor? Are you his shrink? Ther are patient confidentiality laws if you are. All the news here in Colorado is that he is already complying with the counseling, and Marshall himself has said that he is convinced that the suspension won't be any more than 2 games. This tells me that he is confident that he will or has already complied with the mandatory counseling. I don't know where you get your information or form your opinions, but it is not the same as my point of view.Unfortunately, the appeal will be heard by the same Hitler wannabe dictator commissioner that gave the suspension in the first place. The NFL needs to do something about this problem before it ruins the league. There should be some sort of committee handling disciplinary issues, not one man by himself.

USA=innocent until proven guilty

Goodell=??? depends on his mood that day and if he likes you.

I don't live in Colorado and have never heard anywhere, including on this board, that Marshall was already getting some counseling. The only information I had is that he had the opportunity to get the suspension reduced from 3 to 2 games if he underwent counseling, and that he was challenging the suspension (a suspension which the vast majority on this board believe to be a more lenient punishment than he was otherwise expected to get). Thus, my comment that he was not taking any ownership over his behavioral problems and availing himself of the oppotunity to get some help to correct them. If you have some links that I and others who don't live in Colorado can look at to confirm that he is indeed undergoing counseling they would be very helpful to see since that will definitely be a positive in his favor as he challenges the suspension. Thanks.

August 5, 2008, 04:01

Broncos :: WR

Broncos Arrange Counseling Services For WR Marshall

Mike Klis, Denver Post - [Full Article]

The Denver Broncos have reportedly already arranged for counseling services for wide receiver Brandon Marshall, in advance of the Commissioner's Office likely suspending Marshall for three games for violating the league's Personal Conduct Policy. Marshall's suspension will reportedly be reduced from three to two games if Marshall participates in counseling.

Nigel, Thanks!

No problem. It doesn't really say he's started partaking in the program, but ...

Honestly, if he hasn't started the program, that reads to me like his lawyer thinks he can beat the charges.

 

[bcr8f]

Now instead or arguing suspension policy and repentance like in 10 other Marshall threads, we all could use cold hard facts about whether his suspension is going to get reduced.

Jared Allen's was cut in half.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

My biggest problem is that he's done a lot of stupid, serious things over the past couple of years and seems to be completely unrepentant about all of it. He's a ticking time bomb, the foot has to come down. If I were Goodell I'd tell him one more trip from the cops and he's gone for the year.

i underlined the part above because it's not true.i bolded the other part because you're insane.

I'm sure he knows everything about BM.

He eats pieces of it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. That's why his mouth is so full of it...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further.

link

While Marshall is a great talent, I still don't think he gets it. I would really like him to undergo counseling to get his head on straight so he can stay out of trouble in the future, but it doesn't look like he wants to get any help. So, even though he may win the short term battle by having his suspension reduced, it appears only a matter of time before the guy does something stupid again to get into further trouble a la Pacman. I guess time will tell.

What basis do you have to make that outrageous claim? Do you know Brandon Marshall personally? Are you his neighbor? Are you his shrink? Ther are patient confidentiality laws if you are. All the news here in Colorado is that he is already complying with the counseling, and Marshall himself has said that he is convinced that the suspension won't be any more than 2 games. This tells me that he is confident that he will or has already complied with the mandatory counseling. I don't know where you get your information or form your opinions, but it is not the same as my point of view.Unfortunately, the appeal will be heard by the same Hitler wannabe dictator commissioner that gave the suspension in the first place. The NFL needs to do something about this problem before it ruins the league. There should be some sort of committee handling disciplinary issues, not one man by himself.

USA=innocent until proven guilty

Goodell=??? depends on his mood that day and if he likes you.

I actually applaud the way Goodell has been running things.

While I agree with the notion and the cleanup, the pendulum has swung too far.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

If I could see one article showing that Marshall is actually truly sorry for anything he's done I would change my stance. But I haven't seen one yet. And this isn't the last of this guy being an idiot. He should have just taken the counselling served his games, thought about what he's done and shut up. The action of flying to New York to appeal shows that he is not sorry for anything he's done.

people what they want to read out of things. It could just as easily signify that he's finally decided to take the trust of one of his advisors, in this case his attorney. As little free time as Marshall has wasting mabye 8 days and 20 hours of his life when his attorney says he has it.I'd focus on my training.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

This guy just doesn't get it. Trying to get out of a very lenient suspension and showing no remorse.The good thing is that he's learned he can get away with anything due to the commish being a softy so he'll probably keep beating woman and eventually get arrested and put in prison where he belongs.Maybe Commish Softy gave him a joke of a suspension to allow Marshall slack so he'll screw up majorly in the future which will allow the NFL to suspend him for a couple years.

excuse me did u just call Godell as softy? What prison do you work at?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

This guy just doesn't get it. Trying to get out of a very lenient suspension and showing no remorse.

The good thing is that he's learned he can get away with anything due to the commish being a softy so he'll probably keep beating woman and eventually get arrested and put in prison where he belongs.

Maybe Commish Softy gave him a joke of a suspension to allow Marshall slack so he'll screw up majorly in the future which will allow the NFL to suspend him for a couple years.

Can't believe he is walking around with all those convictions hanging over his head.....oh wait, that # is ZERO!!!Until that day, I am going to dominate with Marshall, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson weekly.

It just is weird to see somthing that smart and then see Brett Farrvy's pic next to it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

This guy just doesn't get it. Trying to get out of a very lenient suspension and showing no remorse.

The good thing is that he's learned he can get away with anything due to the commish being a softy so he'll probably keep beating woman and eventually get arrested and put in prison where he belongs.

Maybe Commish Softy gave him a joke of a suspension to allow Marshall slack so he'll screw up majorly in the future which will allow the NFL to suspend him for a couple years.

Can't believe he is walking around with all those convictions hanging over his head.....oh wait, that # is ZERO!!!Until that day, I am going to dominate with Marshall, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson weekly.

I've had the police to my house zero times.The Denver police have Marshall's address programmed into their GPS's.

Doesn't take a genius to realize he's a nut job.

And yes, you will dominate with that group of WR's, until Marshall screws up badly and gets a few years in the clink. Well i guess you'll still have solid WR's with the J's, but marshall won't be part of that group long term unless you play in prison FF leagues.

a. I bet you're whiteb. Wouldn't your second point indicate that maybe it's not BM and instead some jealous hick with a GED who just likes the power to bully others, who has collectively with his buddies targeted these rich _______(insert slur of choice here) thinking they are better than us by locking his address in their GPS units?

c. If I was in that prison league I'd definately handcuff Marshall with Michael Vick so you can get a quick 9.

 

[thehornet]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

Spitzerish.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

Elliot spitzer was no known for his leniency, more for his demagaugic prosecution, refusal to excercise discretion, and that really hat skank hooker that he spent way too much money on.great minds

Spitzerish.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

Spitzerish. Elliot spitzer was no known for his leniency, more for his demagaugic prosecution, refusal to excercise discretion, and that really hat skank hooker that he spent way too much money on.

 

[kupcho1]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

 

[thehornet]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

Spitzerish. Elliot spitzer was no known for his leniency, more for his demagaugic prosecution, refusal to excercise discretion, and that really hat skank hooker that he spent way too much money on.

i agree. i was teasing the person who said spitzerish. it mad no sense. spitzer was anything but lenient.

 

[kupcho1]

He has the same lawyer that won Henry's appeal so he could win.

Or the league could be looking for payback for the embarassment of the Henry appeal...

this isn't middle school. The NFL commissioners office has integrity.

:(

“If you read the policy it says you have to have one prior incident coupled with the commissioner finding that in fact there was misconduct in violation of the policy. And there’s no way for this commissioner to have made that decision if he was dealing in a fair and even-handed manner.”

Goodell is starting to seem a bit too Spitzerish.I'm glad he's taken a harder line. Some of the players' behavior was getting out of hand. But the pendulum might have swung too far.

great minds

Spitzerish. Elliot spitzer was no known for his leniency, more for his demagaugic prosecution, refusal to excercise discretion, and that really hat skank hooker that he spent way too much money on.

i agree. i was teasing the person who said spitzerish. it mad no sense. spitzer was anything but lenient.

Teasing?It made perfect sense. The quote I used from Marshall's lawyer was crystal clear: Goodell has been neither fair or even-handed. Just like Spitzer. Where you read lenient into it is anyone's guess.

 

[brednbuddah]

Now instead or arguing suspension policy and repentance like in 10 other Marshall threads, we all could use cold hard facts about whether his suspension is going to get reduced.

as of now, goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further. link

Sounds like they are just reporting the same information over again.

merely an attempt to end the nonsense.

 

[fatness]

August 27, 2008 6:40 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

Star receiver Brandon Marshall was back at the facility Wednesday after spending Tuesday in New York making his appeal to cut down his three-game NFL suspension. He should find out the result of his appeal in the coming days.

Link

 

[skillz]

Goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further.

link

Godell should learn from this and the next time he needs to suspend a guy just tack on an additional game or two, so when the lawyer comes in to get it reduced, the reduction will end up being what Goodell wanted in the first place anyway. While Marshall is a great talent, I still don't think he gets it. I would really like him to undergo counseling to get his head on straight so he can stay out of trouble in the future, but it doesn't look like he wants to get any help. So, even though he may win the short term battle by having his suspension reduced, it appears only a matter of time before the guy does something stupid again to get into further trouble a la Pacman. I guess time will tell.

LOL. yeah punish greater than the undeserved crime so then when a lawyer appeals a relatively baseless suspension, you can get it down to a greater charge. I love that that's the "lesson" here.The "lesson" is that what pro athl;etes say all the time IS true. That there are people (women, ex-gfs, skanks, and just dudes in a bar- see charles barkley) who target NFL players and play off the fact that they have public images.

the lesson here is suspend AFTER the criminal process/judicial process has a chance to work itself out, otherwise you are suspending people who haven't been proven guilty of ANYTHING. This suspension was a JOKE. Goddell implying that HE is above the law (or at least smarter than it) and then he as judge, jury, executioner knew WHAT happened here, and he didn't need no stinking trial, witnesses, evidence etc. I mean he is the all knowing Godell?

The system that is currently in place (which I believe is a flawed one but nevertheless it is the system) allows Goodell to issue disciplinary action and also make a final decision on any appeal of that decision. Thus, I don't have any problem with him issuing a punitive penalty and then reducing it, if necessary, during the appeal process in order to allow a player to think he was able to successfully achieve a penalty reduction when, in fact, that was the punishment Goodell intended to issue all along. The system certainly allows him to do so. I agree that Goodell should have thoroughly investigated the allegations against Marshall before issuing his decision, but I disagree that he needs to wait for the criminal justice process to resolve itself before issuing any discipline. He doesn't need to rely upon proof beyond a reasonable doubt to discipline an employee of his organization, the NFL. If he determines that the code of conduct was violated after completing his investigation and giving a player the right to explain his side of the story, then he has every right to discipline regardless of whether a criminal charge is pending or not. You, as a lawyer, should know that so I am surprised that you think Goodell should await the results of the criminal justice process before doing anything. Every day employers are disciplining/firing employees for misconduct in violation of company policy (theft, workplace violence, etc) that also constitutes criminal conduct. Goodell is not acting any differently than those employers by disciplining an employee before their criminal charges are resolved.

From what I can tell, your complaint seems directed more at the fact that Goodell has unlimited power to do what he wants. (i.e. the pendulum has swung too far to his side in the labor/management relationship). Well, the way to solve that is for the players to kick their union in the behind and insist that an arbitrator have the right to issue a final, binding decision on the appropriateness of any disciplinary penalty Goodell issues. That way, there is a third party who will be able to make a decision after hearing all the witnesses, evidence, etc. Until then, Goodell has every right to discipline as he sees fit, and, if I were Goodell, I would continue to suspend players who engage in misconduct provided I have found sufficient proof that the player has violated the NFL Code of Conduct. I could care less what the result of the criminal justice process is since it is a much different standard of proof, and involves very different guidelines governing the player's behavior (criminal laws v. the NFL Code of Conduct).

 

[skillz]

Goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further.

link

Godell should learn from this and the next time he needs to suspend a guy just tack on an additional game or two, so when the lawyer comes in to get it reduced, the reduction will end up being what Goodell wanted in the first place anyway. While Marshall is a great talent, I still don't think he gets it. I would really like him to undergo counseling to get his head on straight so he can stay out of trouble in the future, but it doesn't look like he wants to get any help. So, even though he may win the short term battle by having his suspension reduced, it appears only a matter of time before the guy does something stupid again to get into further trouble a la Pacman. I guess time will tell.

LOL. yeah punish greater than the undeserved crime so then when a lawyer appeals a relatively baseless suspension, you can get it down to a greater charge. I love that that's the "lesson" here.The "lesson" is that what pro athl;etes say all the time IS true. That there are people (women, ex-gfs, skanks, and just dudes in a bar- see charles barkley) who target NFL players and play off the fact that they have public images.

the lesson here is suspend AFTER the criminal process/judicial process has a chance to work itself out, otherwise you are suspending people who haven't been proven guilty of ANYTHING. This suspension was a JOKE. Goddell implying that HE is above the law (or at least smarter than it) and then he as judge, jury, executioner knew WHAT happened here, and he didn't need no stinking trial, witnesses, evidence etc. I mean he is the all knowing Godell?

Do you believe Bonds and Clemens when they deny ever using steroids?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Goodell is willing to go 2 games, Marshall's lawyer wants it reduced further.

link

Godell should learn from this and the next time he needs to suspend a guy just tack on an additional game or two, so when the lawyer comes in to get it reduced, the reduction will end up being what Goodell wanted in the first place anyway. While Marshall is a great talent, I still don't think he gets it. I would really like him to undergo counseling to get his head on straight so he can stay out of trouble in the future, but it doesn't look like he wants to get any help. So, even though he may win the short term battle by having his suspension reduced, it appears only a matter of time before the guy does something stupid again to get into further trouble a la Pacman. I guess time will tell.

LOL. yeah punish greater than the undeserved crime so then when a lawyer appeals a relatively baseless suspension, you can get it down to a greater charge. I love that that's the "lesson" here.The "lesson" is that what pro athl;etes say all the time IS true. That there are people (women, ex-gfs, skanks, and just dudes in a bar- see charles barkley) who target NFL players and play off the fact that they have public images.

the lesson here is suspend AFTER the criminal process/judicial process has a chance to work itself out, otherwise you are suspending people who haven't been proven guilty of ANYTHING. This suspension was a JOKE. Goddell implying that HE is above the law (or at least smarter than it) and then he as judge, jury, executioner knew WHAT happened here, and he didn't need no stinking trial, witnesses, evidence etc. I mean he is the all knowing Godell?

Do you believe Bonds and Clemens when they deny ever using steroids?

in re: that they are targets. Not that EVERYTHING they say is true.The only person imo that has credibility on steroids is Jose Canseco.