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Did drafting a Stud TE win you a championship? (1 Viewer)
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there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
the whole question is if the stud TE in top 3 will gurantee a championship or not
C
CrossEyed
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It always depends on your scoring. Our TEs get 1.5 PPR so I felt VERY comfortable taking Gates at 3.10.
we are 1ppr for all positions, so thats why I am really in the air what to do, I have an eary first rd pick so when it comes around to third I have the choice of gates/harrison/chambers/owens/moss/etc. or skip(gates wont fall late 4th) and get a TE in the 10th
DoubleG
Footballguy
His breakout year, I traded for Gates in a dynasty league (the other owner had Crumpler too - we only start 1 TE, he was weak at another position... yes, he's still sorry he made the deal)
Anyway, I won the SB that year - Gates, was a big part of it, but I also landed Burleson just before Moss got hurt and was able to make some other deals that helped. This past year I didn't even make the playoffs (partly because we start 3 WRs - my fromt 3 were Joe Horn, Burleson and DJax - all out most of the season with injuries)
The best thing about having Gates is that it's like having insurance in case one of your other players has an off week - not only does he outscore the opponents TE, he scores by so much more he can make up for other weaknesses. HOWEVER - if you build in such a weakness, because you draft Gates early, it's actually pretty much a wash. If I were drafting this year, I'd look to snag a guy later that could bust out (V. Davis, KWII, etc. - guys that could put up very good #s - just not have to have the high draft pick #.)
Anyway, I won the SB that year - Gates, was a big part of it, but I also landed Burleson just before Moss got hurt and was able to make some other deals that helped. This past year I didn't even make the playoffs (partly because we start 3 WRs - my fromt 3 were Joe Horn, Burleson and DJax - all out most of the season with injuries)
The best thing about having Gates is that it's like having insurance in case one of your other players has an off week - not only does he outscore the opponents TE, he scores by so much more he can make up for other weaknesses. HOWEVER - if you build in such a weakness, because you draft Gates early, it's actually pretty much a wash. If I were drafting this year, I'd look to snag a guy later that could bust out (V. Davis, KWII, etc. - guys that could put up very good #s - just not have to have the high draft pick #.)
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kutta
Footballguy
there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
That's pretty strong lingo.I drafted Gates last year in the third, but I also had Holmes and Martin as my 1 and 2 pick. I got LJ and Mike Anderson later, and had Boldin as my WR1, so I guess I was pretty fortunate to win the championship. But it sure was nice having Gates put up WR type numbers from the TE position.
Having a stud player in the top 3 at any position will not guarantee a championship.there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
thecardiackid
Footballguy
The team w/ Gates won our 14 team league last season (no, not mine 
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His *typical* roster looked like
Brady
T Jones
Dom D / Wells
S Moss
S Smith
Gates
Vandy
took him in the 2nd or 3rd last yr. and we're not a ppr league.
my only concern w/ Gates' manlove is Rivers ability to sustain drives and create opps like Brees did. yea, probably still the #1 TE, but I don't see the gap as wide between Gates and the other top 5ish TEs this season. PPR solid 3rd pick, non ppr ???
)His *typical* roster looked like
Brady
T Jones
Dom D / Wells
S Moss
S Smith
Gates
Vandy
took him in the 2nd or 3rd last yr. and we're not a ppr league.
my only concern w/ Gates' manlove is Rivers ability to sustain drives and create opps like Brees did. yea, probably still the #1 TE, but I don't see the gap as wide between Gates and the other top 5ish TEs this season. PPR solid 3rd pick, non ppr ???
Todem
Footballguy
Ther are never any guarentees.I can tell you this though I have drafted from the top 2 spots in 3 drafts and by getting an LJ, LT or SA it gives you the flexability to draft the best player available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.For example:In one draft (that is currently in progress) I tookLTHarrisonGatesIn another I tookLJFitzGatesand this was my starting lineupCulpepperLJDunnFitzHoushReggie BrownKeyshawnGatesGates in PPR is like having a top 7-8 WR at the TE position. He gives you a clear advantage all year at that spot. I can draft a RB that looks and performs the same way in the 4th round, but I will probably not get a TE or WR of Gates Caliber in the 4th.Gates is the only TE worth drafting early and early to me is the 3rd round. Other than that I wait on that position for a while.Now I like this strategy from the top 4 spots because you have these studs:LJLTSATikiIn HP PPR these backs are money and it is like having almost 2 backs for the price of one.If I were picking from 5-12 I would probably sew up my 2nd runner in either the 2nd or 3rd, becuase I feel you will not get the same type of high octane performance out of the rest of the RB field this season.Hope that helps.there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
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no it just confuses me again. I'm really high on watson and I think I'll just grab him or cooley late. I'll probably go with:SAharrisonchambersTher are never any guarentees.I can tell you this though I have drafted from the top 2 spots in 3 drafts and by getting an LJ, LT or SA it gives you the flexability to draft the best player available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.For example:In one draft (that is currently in progress) I tookLTHarrisonGatesIn another I tookLJFitzGatesand this was my starting lineupCulpepperLJDunnFitzHoushReggie BrownKeyshawnGatesGates in PPR is like having a top 7-8 WR at the TE position. He gives you a clear advantage all year at that spot. I can draft a RB that looks and performs the same way in the 4th round, but I will probably not get a TE or WR of Gates Caliber in the 4th.Gates is the only TE worth drafting early and early to me is the 3rd round. Other than that I wait on that position for a while.Now I like this strategy from the top 4 spots because you have these studs:LJLTSATikiIn HP PPR these backs are money and it is like having almost 2 backs for the price of one.If I were picking from 5-12 I would probably sew up my 2nd runner in either the 2nd or 3rd, becuase I feel you will not get the same type of high octane performance out of the rest of the RB field this season.Hope that helps.there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
Todem
Footballguy
I love Chambers but he has done it once. But I can not argue with that logic. That is a solid start.Good luck.no it just confuses me again. I'm really high on watson and I think I'll just grab him or cooley late. I'll probably go with:SAharrisonchambersTher are never any guarentees.I can tell you this though I have drafted from the top 2 spots in 3 drafts and by getting an LJ, LT or SA it gives you the flexability to draft the best player available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.For example:In one draft (that is currently in progress) I tookLTHarrisonGatesIn another I tookLJFitzGatesand this was my starting lineupCulpepperLJDunnFitzHoushReggie BrownKeyshawnGatesGates in PPR is like having a top 7-8 WR at the TE position. He gives you a clear advantage all year at that spot. I can draft a RB that looks and performs the same way in the 4th round, but I will probably not get a TE or WR of Gates Caliber in the 4th.Gates is the only TE worth drafting early and early to me is the 3rd round. Other than that I wait on that position for a while.Now I like this strategy from the top 4 spots because you have these studs:LJLTSATikiIn HP PPR these backs are money and it is like having almost 2 backs for the price of one.If I were picking from 5-12 I would probably sew up my 2nd runner in either the 2nd or 3rd, becuase I feel you will not get the same type of high octane performance out of the rest of the RB field this season.Hope that helps.there is no option, because the poll isnt for you
Todem
Footballguy
Hey Gates could have been had 2 years ago in the late late rounds so yes you can find extreme value later.But, I don't think anyone can argue not taking Gates in the 3rd in a PPR league. He is a dominant STUD and will play all 16 games unlike last year when he missed 2 weeks.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Yes, but the championship won by the above team likely had more to do with Brady, T. Jones and Santan Moss all having huge years than with Gates ouplaying his ADP. As I said, if you take Gates at his ADP, you need other players to have big years (for example, picking C. Taylor at RB or Branch later due to his holdout, then having them have big years). Simply put, teams draft studs at every position - if the studs play up to their ADP and a few lower picks have good or career years - that'll do it.The team w/ Gates won our 14 team league last season (no, not mine
My league is 1 PPR and 1.5 pts every 10 yards for TE.
This guy in my league (MFL #70040) went Gates and Gonzalez back to back at the first turn, then lucked into Westbrook at pick 3 and Larry Johnson. He squeaked into playoffs, but ran the table from there. His team was terrible and might have been even worse if it wasn't IDP. But man it sucked watching Gates and Gonzalez light it up. He eventually traded Gonzalez for Rudi. I wonder if he would do it again.
This guy in my league (MFL #70040) went Gates and Gonzalez back to back at the first turn, then lucked into Westbrook at pick 3 and Larry Johnson. He squeaked into playoffs, but ran the table from there. His team was terrible and might have been even worse if it wasn't IDP. But man it sucked watching Gates and Gonzalez light it up. He eventually traded Gonzalez for Rudi. I wonder if he would do it again.
Watson is high on everybody's list. Don't expect to grab him late. One of those guys who I just wish would be quiet for a a few weeks. I had him last year, and he wasn't a stud, but with the Pats setup this year, Ben is going to go faster than you think. Personally, I am eyeing LJ where you are eyeing Ben.. I can live with Cooley. But does anyone know if Duckett figures into Cooley's numbers?
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Comb-Over Charlie
aka Juggernaut
Cooley. He was a key to winning it all last year.
my man otis
Footballguy
so 15/51 = 29%, which is greater than 1/12 = 8.3%, which is the randomized chance someone wins in a year in a 12 team league.
I went ahead and voted yes because, while he hasn't won me a championship, Gates has carried my sorry squad to the best record in my entire league for two years running now.
Not really. More than any other position, TE is the one where there's the fewest turnover from the preseason top-5 to the postseason top-5. Which is a point in its favor- if you draft a TE, he has a much lower chance of busting.wannabee said:
wannabee
Footballguy
But, many drafted Gonzo equal or even with Gates last year. And, much depends on what the scoring of the league is.
CalBear
Footballguy
The question is really misguided. According to MFL's ADP from last year, here are the two players drafted before and after Gonzalez:
Joe Horn
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Marc Bulger
And here are the two before and after Gates:
Trent Green
Nate Burleson
Hines Ward
Darrell Jackson
I think it's safe to say that Gonzo was a better selection than three out of the four selected around him, even though he didn't perform up to his normal standard. And Gates was clearly a bigger contributor to the success of the teams that selected him than Green, Burleson, or Jackson were, and was probably bigger than Ward, too.
A third- or fourth-round pick isn't going to win your championship on his own.
Joe Horn
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson
Marc Bulger
And here are the two before and after Gates:
Trent Green
Nate Burleson
Hines Ward
Darrell Jackson
I think it's safe to say that Gonzo was a better selection than three out of the four selected around him, even though he didn't perform up to his normal standard. And Gates was clearly a bigger contributor to the success of the teams that selected him than Green, Burleson, or Jackson were, and was probably bigger than Ward, too.
A third- or fourth-round pick isn't going to win your championship on his own.
Gonzo was drafted in the mid-30s, and finished 44th in VBD. And this is a TE "bust". Like I said, the top-5 TEs in the preseason have a much lower chance of legitimately busting, especially compared to all other positions.Also, my scoring system is not TE-friendly in the slightest. It scores TEs exactly the same as it scores WRs, and doesn't offer PPR. Gates is still huge.
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