Did Willis McGahee ever recover fully? (1 Viewer)

[Alluro]

I remember watching Willis at Miami and thinking this guy was the next hands down superstar player no matter where he goes. He allegedly ran a sub 4.3 40 time at the U and looked like he could stop on a dime and accelerate like very few people in the world...

The guy that plays for the Bills now doesn't quite look like that same player. It appears that Willis has lost some of his famous speed and has developed himself more into a power back. I always think i'm watching a slightly faster Eddie George during Bills games. Am i wrong, or would it be correct to assume that Willis never has and probably never will regain the skills he had at the U before that horrific knee injury?

 

[Banger]

I haven't followed Willis that closely over the past couple years but a from what I've read he's lost some weight this offseason to regain some of the quickness he lost last year. I think I also remember Mularky using Willis as more of a power back and wanted him to bulk up (could be wrong about that though).

 

[Z-Dog]

McGahee definitely is more of a power back than a speed back now, but I don't think it has anything to do with his injury. I mean, he may have slwoed a bit, but he's still fast enough to get to the corner. I just think that the college game favors speed, since you see wider running lanes and more open field. In the NFL, the speed disparities between RB and tacklers is smaller, the holes are tighter, and you need to use some power to get your yards. McGahee has matured as a professional runner, imo. There was relatively little difference in McGahee's numbers from last year to the year before that. What makes us believe that he's gotten worse is the TD dropoff, from 13 to 5. But just like too many people overvalued him at last year's drafts b/c of the TDs, many people will underestimate his value this year. McGhaee is pretty much a lock for about 1200 yards, and I think 5 TDs is probably the floor for him.

 

[Banger]

McGahee definitely is more of a power back than a speed back now, but I don't think it has anything to do with his injury. I mean, he may have slwoed a bit, but he's still fast enough to get to the corner. I just think that the college game favors speed, since you see wider running lanes and more open field. In the NFL, the speed disparities between RB and tacklers is smaller, the holes are tighter, and you need to use some power to get your yards. McGahee has matured as a professional runner, imo. There was relatively little difference in McGahee's numbers from last year to the year before that. What makes us believe that he's gotten worse is the TD dropoff, from 13 to 5. But just like too many people overvalued him at last year's drafts b/c of the TDs, many people will underestimate his value this year. McGhaee is pretty much a lock for about 1200 yards, and I think 5 TDs is probably the floor for him.

I think Willis is being overlooked this year as a result of his "disappointing" season last year and could offer some good value. The team is going to reportedly use him in 3rd downs this year and will look to get him the ball more frequently in the red zone. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see 1300 rushing 250 receiving and 9 tds and come in ahead of Jordan/R. Brown/James.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He hasn't fully recovered since Joe T's "Willis McGahee is Overrated" Thread.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I personally think that there is some underlying mental aspect to it that is holding him back somewhat and making him hesitate before hitting the hole hard. No way to really prove that of course. Just a feeling I get watching him. I'm not sure he'll ever be that back you saw at UMiami again.

 

[DreadedParms]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

That's certainly interesting. Both of their knee injuries looked brutal on TV.

 

[LHUCKS]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up.  Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

That's certainly interesting. Both of their knee injuries looked brutal on TV.

very interesting indeed.

 

[dapunisher]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

That's good intel. Now, by really screwed up, does your friend mean that McGahee will never be 100% healthy or that the injury is still healing?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up.  Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

That's good intel. Now, by really screwed up, does your friend mean that McGahee will never be 100% healthy or that the injury is still healing?

Good Lord, are we still on that?I suggested in December of 04 (well before the infamous Joe T post by the way) that the injury was as healed as it was going to get and that his skills were overrated. It's almost two years later than the post and more than 3 and a half since the injury.

If it hasn't healed at this point, it ain't gonna. Heck, maybe it'll be "healed" after he retires.

 

[joker]

I'll have to disagree with the "his skills were overrated" part. While his knee may be as healed as it ever will be, his skills were the real deal. I saw him and most of the other UM stud RB's play in person many times over the years, and McGahee stood above them all in pure talent.

Doesn't mean I think McGahee will ever be as good as he was in college, just that his skills were 100% legit before the knee went out.

 

[Musesboy]

I think McGahee's performance last year was largely determined by the supporting cast. He started fairly well with 185/790/4 at 4.3 ypc over the first eight games. The line fell apart in the second half of the season and the QB woes didn't help.

4.3 ypc isn't bad at all behind that line and you don't run that well if you are hurt. I don't think he has failed to recover from the injury. If the offense improves and the Bills have QB stability, McGahee could do a lot better. The new coaching staff might actually keep him in on third down and hand him the ball inside the five, unlike the Mularkey regime.

 

[Z-Dog]

Ain't that the truth. Short of LT2, you're just not going to have an elite season without a quality passing game.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I'll have to disagree with the "his skills were overrated" part. While his knee may be as healed as it ever will be, his skills were the real deal. I saw him and most of the other UM stud RB's play in person many times over the years, and McGahee stood above them all in pure talent.

Doesn't mean I think McGahee will ever be as good as he was in college, just that his skills were 100% legit before the knee went out.

I meant his skills post-injury. He sure looked a lot more elusive in college, but so do a lot of guys. My stance has always been that regardless of whether it was the injury or not, in the NFL, he has never really looked like a world-beater to me. He's a solid NFL RB. In a great situation, he looked pretty good (2004), in a less than great situation (2005) he didn't look as good. Just like a lot of average starting backs.People were oooing and ahhhing over his numbers in 2004, but when you looked at the ridiculous number of GL opportunities he had that year, you HAD to expect a dropoff. Everybody was saying he'd get better because of the knee, and I just kept saying that the knee was as good as it was going to get (it had been nearly two years at that point) and that what you saw in 2004 was what you were going to get going forward.

 

[Bob_Magaw]

mcgahee looked like a special RB at miami... he had the whole package... shattered edge's season TD record (formerly 18) by about 50% (27?)...

the disturbing thing is that mcgahee (& i don't watch him a lot as i don't live in BUF, but am relying on reports from others) seemed to run stronger & tougher in 2004... closer to the time of the original injury...

in 2005, when he was an additional year removed from the injury, he seemed to run softer & not as aggressively... that is a puzzler, and makes you wonder if it is something unrelated to the knee?

if it was all about the knee, the sequence & timeline is wrong... he should have been worse in 2004 & better in 2005... obviously there are other issues involved... perhaps he benefited from stronger QB play by bledsoe (not necessarily saying a lot)... but quite a few BUF homers expressed disappointment that he didn't run as strong or well last year?

 

[Bri]

Bills line was a mess last year and their QBs were too. I'd bet he's fine with some decent play from those positions.

He was the next great thing now it seems like folks are thinking he's a shade better than a bust. Whatever middle ground is, he's that

 

[Sabertooth]

How does the Bills line look this season compared to last, you ask? Well here's some analysis. Not looking good.

Offensive Line



Projected Starters: RT Jason Peters, RG Chris Villarrial, C Melvin Fowler (Minnesota), LG Tutan Reyes (Carolina), LT Mike Gandy

Key Backups: OT Greg Jerman, OG Bennie Anderson, T Brad Butler (rookie), T Terrence Pennington (rookie), G/C Duke Preston

Buffalo’s offensive line really struggled a year ago and it doesn’t look much better for them in 2006. Coach Jim McNally returns for his 3rd season but must get more out of his players. Newcomer Tutan Reyes was brought in from the Carolina Panthers and will likely start at left guard. Mike Gandy struggled last year and shouldn’t be a starter at left tackle. Bennie Anderson was a big disappointment at guard last year and will likely ride pine in ’06. Jason Peters, an athletic, former tight end has really made improvement at his tackle position. He looked more comfortable as the year wore on and has the athletic ability necessary to become a very good lineman in another season or two. Melvin Fowler was brought in to start at center and Chris Villarrial is a proven technician who is a serviceable starter. Team Bills also have high-hopes for Duke Preston who can play both guard and center and also drafted two kids who may pay dividends in time. This unit is amongst the worst in the NFL this season but there is some promise for the future.

 

[Musesboy]

How does the Bills line look this season compared to last, you ask? Well here's some analysis. Not looking good.

Offensive Line



Projected Starters: RT Jason Peters, RG Chris Villarrial, C Melvin Fowler (Minnesota), LG Tutan Reyes (Carolina), LT Mike Gandy

Key Backups: OT Greg Jerman, OG Bennie Anderson, T Brad Butler (rookie), T Terrence Pennington (rookie), G/C Duke Preston

Buffalo’s offensive line really struggled a year ago and it doesn’t look much better for them in 2006. Coach Jim McNally returns for his 3rd season but must get more out of his players. Newcomer Tutan Reyes was brought in from the Carolina Panthers and will likely start at left guard. Mike Gandy struggled last year and shouldn’t be a starter at left tackle. Bennie Anderson was a big disappointment at guard last year and will likely ride pine in ’06. Jason Peters, an athletic, former tight end has really made improvement at his tackle position. He looked more comfortable as the year wore on and has the athletic ability necessary to become a very good lineman in another season or two. Melvin Fowler was brought in to start at center and Chris Villarrial is a proven technician who is a serviceable starter. Team Bills also have high-hopes for Duke Preston who can play both guard and center and also drafted two kids who may pay dividends in time. This unit is amongst the worst in the NFL this season but there is some promise for the future.

Bennie Anderson went to the Dolphins and is battling for a starting spot. I hope the Bills' line improves over last year.

 

[Banger]

bump...any TC news about Willis and how he's doing in the new offense, receiving the ball, etc....

 

[Musesboy]

bump...any TC news about Willis and how he's doing in the new offense, receiving the ball, etc....

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/article...ills040806.htmlIn his first two seasons as the Buffalo Bills ' starting running back, Willis McGahee has been a bruising ball carrier who hasn't necessarily gotten involved in the passing game. The 228-pounder has been on the receiving end of 50 passes in 32 games, which has left plenty to be desired from the team's fans.

So far in training camp, the Bills have tried to get the former Miami Hurricanes star involved in the passing game, and that means he'll become more of a three-down performer. In his young career, the 24-year-old has stayed on the field for first and second down, then departed in time for third down, which has been quite a hindrance to Buffalo's offense.

Last season, when the Bills' offensive unit finished 29th in total yardage, McGahee often exited the field in favor of Shaud Williams, who was anointed the pass catching back by the team's former head coach, Mike Mularkey. Of course, since Williams doesn't possess anywhere near the same skill set as McGahee, he was often snuffed out by opposing defenses, which led to punter Brian Moorman and the league's top special teams unit scurrying onto the field.

Since offensive coordinator Steve Fairchild entered Buffalo, it's been well-documented that he plans on using McGahee in different ways than the Bills' ex-staff, helmed by Mularkey and coordinator Tom Clements. One thing already giving Fairchild an advantage is the fact that McGahee has lost some of his bulk from the last two seasons, which often stymied him from realizing his full potential as a speedster.

While with the Hurricanes, McGahee became one of college's best backs because not only could he bounce off the opposition and utilize his devastating stiff arm to the fullest, but he could also outrun even the fastest of defensive players.

Although it's still early in Bills camp, McGahee has already been excited about catching a deep pass from his possible quarterback, J.P. Losman. In a recent practice session, the soon-to-be third-year man was on the receiving end of a 30-yard pass from Losman, and that led to giddiness from McGahee.

Without doubt, the Buffalo Bills ' offense will have a much different look to it in 2006 than 2005. Gone are the trick plays and odd substitutions, and back is the emphasis on getting the ball into the hands of the unit's most talented player, McGahee.

However, in order for the team to improve vastly upon its 5-11 record from last year, McGahee will have to do his part on third down. His 53.6 conversion percentage on third-down runs ranked 18th in the AFC, and that simply won't cut it. Although, betterment usually comes from more touches, which McGahee will certainly be getting. He ran the ball just 28 times on those third-down plays in '05, gaining first downs on 15.

 

[Banger]

bump...any TC news about Willis and how he's doing in the new offense, receiving the ball, etc....

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/article...ills040806.htmlIn his first two seasons as the Buffalo Bills ' starting running back, Willis McGahee has been a bruising ball carrier who hasn't necessarily gotten involved in the passing game. The 228-pounder has been on the receiving end of 50 passes in 32 games, which has left plenty to be desired from the team's fans.

So far in training camp, the Bills have tried to get the former Miami Hurricanes star involved in the passing game, and that means he'll become more of a three-down performer. In his young career, the 24-year-old has stayed on the field for first and second down, then departed in time for third down, which has been quite a hindrance to Buffalo's offense.

Last season, when the Bills' offensive unit finished 29th in total yardage, McGahee often exited the field in favor of Shaud Williams, who was anointed the pass catching back by the team's former head coach, Mike Mularkey. Of course, since Williams doesn't possess anywhere near the same skill set as McGahee, he was often snuffed out by opposing defenses, which led to punter Brian Moorman and the league's top special teams unit scurrying onto the field.

Since offensive coordinator Steve Fairchild entered Buffalo, it's been well-documented that he plans on using McGahee in different ways than the Bills' ex-staff, helmed by Mularkey and coordinator Tom Clements. One thing already giving Fairchild an advantage is the fact that McGahee has lost some of his bulk from the last two seasons, which often stymied him from realizing his full potential as a speedster.

While with the Hurricanes, McGahee became one of college's best backs because not only could he bounce off the opposition and utilize his devastating stiff arm to the fullest, but he could also outrun even the fastest of defensive players.

Although it's still early in Bills camp, McGahee has already been excited about catching a deep pass from his possible quarterback, J.P. Losman. In a recent practice session, the soon-to-be third-year man was on the receiving end of a 30-yard pass from Losman, and that led to giddiness from McGahee.

Without doubt, the Buffalo Bills ' offense will have a much different look to it in 2006 than 2005. Gone are the trick plays and odd substitutions, and back is the emphasis on getting the ball into the hands of the unit's most talented player, McGahee.

However, in order for the team to improve vastly upon its 5-11 record from last year, McGahee will have to do his part on third down. His 53.6 conversion percentage on third-down runs ranked 18th in the AFC, and that simply won't cut it. Although, betterment usually comes from more touches, which McGahee will certainly be getting. He ran the ball just 28 times on those third-down plays in '05, gaining first downs on 15.

good stuff Muse

 

[Musesboy]

good stuff Muse

I am sure Mike Mularkey knows more about football than I ever will, but I couldn't understand why they kept pulling McGahee on third down last year. They also often tried trick plays instead of pounding the ball inside the ten.If that philosophy changes, as it looks like it will, McGahee could do a lot better this year. He had almost 800 yards through the first eight games and the passing game should improve.

 

[GroveDiesel]

How does the Bills line look this season compared to last, you ask? Well here's some analysis. Not looking good.

Offensive Line



Projected Starters: RT Jason Peters, RG Chris Villarrial, C Melvin Fowler (Minnesota), LG Tutan Reyes (Carolina), LT Mike Gandy

Key Backups: OT Greg Jerman, OG Bennie Anderson, T Brad Butler (rookie), T Terrence Pennington (rookie), G/C Duke Preston

Buffalo’s offensive line really struggled a year ago and it doesn’t look much better for them in 2006. Coach Jim McNally returns for his 3rd season but must get more out of his players. Newcomer Tutan Reyes was brought in from the Carolina Panthers and will likely start at left guard. Mike Gandy struggled last year and shouldn’t be a starter at left tackle. Bennie Anderson was a big disappointment at guard last year and will likely ride pine in ’06. Jason Peters, an athletic, former tight end has really made improvement at his tackle position. He looked more comfortable as the year wore on and has the athletic ability necessary to become a very good lineman in another season or two. Melvin Fowler was brought in to start at center and Chris Villarrial is a proven technician who is a serviceable starter. Team Bills also have high-hopes for Duke Preston who can play both guard and center and also drafted two kids who may pay dividends in time. This unit is amongst the worst in the NFL this season but there is some promise for the future.

Bennie Anderson went to the Dolphins and is battling for a starting spot. I hope the Bills' line improves over last year.

So far I'm more hopeful about the OL for the Bills then any year over the past decade. It takes more time for an OL to become good though than any other area on the field. Overall I think that the Bills have earned their poor OL rankings by being so bad in the past. But I do think that their ranking is based on the past rather than what they have going for them heading into this season. It's just difficult to judge how things will work out. And since they didn't bring in any huge name guys like Bentley or Hutchinson, people just assume that they won't be any better than previously. I think that their move to more athletic and faster guys will pay dividends though. I also think that Jason Peters being the starting RT from the start will make a huge difference. It's like going from one of the worst RTs in the league in Mike Williams to possibly a top 10 RT.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I said it so much that I just up and quit talking about it, but McGimpy will never be the same after an injury like that. That IS what happened. Bills never should have drafted him that high.

 

[derek19]

I said it so much that I just up and quit talking about it, but McGimpy will never be the same after an injury like that. That IS what happened. Bills never should have drafted him that high.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I said it so much that I just up and quit talking about it, but McGimpy will never be the same after an injury like that. That IS what happened. Bills never should have drafted him that high.

So Edgerrin James never came back after his terrible ACL injury? And Jamal Lewis didn't rush for 2,000 yards after his ACL injuries?

 

[cws3030]

I said it so much that I just up and quit talking about it, but McGimpy will never be the same after an injury like that. That IS what happened. Bills never should have drafted him that high.

So Edgerrin James never came back after his terrible ACL injury? And Jamal Lewis didn't rush for 2,000 yards after his ACL injuries?

Thank You!

 

[contacts]

Whether he is fully healed or not, he has shown that put into a good situation he can be an elite back. People are putting to much emphasis on his last year in one of the most inane and ######ed offenses I have ever seen. Last year willis could of had at least 3 more TDs given they gave him the ball in short yardage and not some foolish FB flare or LT curl, and the line sucked last year. Anderson and M Williams could not handle their job. Willis will get double digit toucdowns this year.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I said it so much that I just up and quit talking about it, but McGimpy will never be the same after an injury like that. That IS what happened. Bills never should have drafted him that high.

So Edgerrin James never came back after his terrible ACL injury? And Jamal Lewis didn't rush for 2,000 yards after his ACL injuries?

Thank You!

No, thanks to BOTH of you.Edge has never been the same. He turned into more of a power runner, and was so good before, that at say 90%, he's still up there. Same for McGimpy to a degree. He woulda been scary, I think. Now, he's serviceable. Anybody that thinks Edge returned to his glory days did not watch what he could once do. Many will agree with that. Playing for Indy hasn't hurt the guy, either.Lewis was/is a north/south runner and the lateral movement that is hindered by ACL's did not effect him nearly as much.In your few examples, you did a good job in demonstrating why those were the EXCEPTIONS to the norm. Thanks again.

 

[Defending Champs]

I'll take these stats over a three year stretch all day long...

2003 1259 yards... 4.1ypc...11td

2004 1548 yards 4.6 ypc... 9 td

2005 1506 yards... 4.2 ypc...13 td

Yeah, it's just numbers, but darn they're good

 

[jestertj]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

How do you drop this nugget and leave the discussion without a little more elaboration?

 

[Defending Champs]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

How do you drop this nugget and leave the discussion without a little more elaboration?

I wondered the same thing.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I'll take these stats over a three year stretch all day long...2003 1259 yards... 4.1ypc...11td 2004 1548 yards 4.6 ypc... 9 td2005 1506 yards... 4.2 ypc...13 td Yeah, it's just numbers, but darn they're good

And this is relevant to the topic in what way?

 

[Defending Champs]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

 

[cstu]

mcgahee looked like a special RB at miami... he had the whole package... shattered edge's season TD record (formerly 18) by about 50% (27?)...

the disturbing thing is that mcgahee (& i don't watch him a lot as i don't live in BUF, but am relying on reports from others) seemed to run stronger & tougher in 2004... closer to the time of the original injury...

in 2005, when he was an additional year removed from the injury, he seemed to run softer & not as aggressively... that is a puzzler, and makes you wonder if it is something unrelated to the knee?

if it was all about the knee, the sequence & timeline is wrong... he should have been worse in 2004 & better in 2005... obviously there are other issues involved... perhaps he benefited from stronger QB play by bledsoe (not necessarily saying a lot)... but quite a few BUF homers expressed disappointment that he didn't run as strong or well last year?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

Wrong. I said McGimpy was serviceable. I said James at 90% was still better than most.

 

[Banger]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

Wrong. I said McGimpy was serviceable. I said James at 90% was still better than most.

Apples/Oranges. One played with Manning on the best offense in football and the other had a ######ed Off Coordinatior, no line, no QB. Put Willis in Edge's situation and I think you see a more than servicable McGimpy.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

Wrong. I said McGimpy was serviceable. I said James at 90% was still better than most.

Apples/Oranges. One played with Manning on the best offense in football and the other had a ######ed Off Coordinatior, no line, no QB. Put Willis in Edge's situation and I think you see a more than servicable McGimpy.

Fair enough. That has been the best surrounding cast for ANY RB to be in. The point here is that McGimpy will never be what he could have been, which sucks. I think it's silly to suggest that injury didn't hamper him...it was horrific.

 

[Banger]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

Wrong. I said McGimpy was serviceable. I said James at 90% was still better than most.

Apples/Oranges. One played with Manning on the best offense in football and the other had a ######ed Off Coordinatior, no line, no QB. Put Willis in Edge's situation and I think you see a more than servicable McGimpy.

Fair enough. That has been the best surrounding cast for ANY RB to be in. The point here is that McGimpy will never be what he could have been, which sucks. I think it's silly to suggest that injury didn't hamper him...it was horrific.

It was but he still has the ability with a good surrounding cast to be a top 5 RB. He might not be a HOF'er which maybe some projected him for but he can/will still have a good career.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

In what way would you not say it is relevant?

You basically claimed through speaking of McGahee that James is a servicable back. I think these stats say he's a lot more than servicable.

Over the last three years he has averaged over 1400 yards and has averaged 11 TD's.

You could stack up any RB over the last three years and I don't know how many you will find that have consistently put those kind of numbers up. That to me, is more than servicable and very relavant to the conversation.

The last two years he finished 5th (1506) in yards and 4th (1548) respectively. In 2003, he was a bit off the pace with 1259.

I'm just saying you can't argue with this kind of production.

Wrong. I said McGimpy was serviceable. I said James at 90% was still better than most.

Apples/Oranges. One played with Manning on the best offense in football and the other had a ######ed Off Coordinatior, no line, no QB. Put Willis in Edge's situation and I think you see a more than servicable McGimpy.

Fair enough. That has been the best surrounding cast for ANY RB to be in. The point here is that McGimpy will never be what he could have been, which sucks. I think it's silly to suggest that injury didn't hamper him...it was horrific.

It was but he still has the ability with a good surrounding cast to be a top 5 RB. He might not be a HOF'er which maybe some projected him for but he can/will still have a good career.

I don't think he will ever be top 5. Oh maybe he could be on Indy, but not talent-wise.

 

[Pantherz]

My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

How do you drop this nugget and leave the discussion without a little more elaboration?

I wondered the same thing.

He posted this in another thread awhile back I believe, but the thread was about Culpepper maybe, will try to search it.ETA:Sorry, can't find anything

 

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My orthopedic surgeon friend who interned with Andrews in Birmingham says McGahee's knee is really screwed up. Culpepper, FWIW, is good to go, fantastic recovery.

Any updates from this friend?

 

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